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• THE TIDE rises the tide falls The twilight darkens the curlew calls; Along the sea-sands damp and brown The traveller hastens toward the town And the tide rises the tide falls. Which statement best describes the theme of this stanza? Nature and humans move independently of each other. Human beings are challenged by events in the natural world.

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• The main idea of the first stanza of "Auspex" is: Though I cannot slow myself down right now, one day my heart will stop beating so quickly, and I will slow ...

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• The Project Gutenberg EBook of The Golden Treasury of American Songs and Lyrics, by Various This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org Title: The Golden Treasury of American Songs and Lyrics Author: Various Release Date: April 5, 2005 [EBook #15553] Language: English Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 *** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE GOLDEN TREASURY OF *** Produced by David Kline, Karen Dalrymple and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team. To My Mother. [Illustration] THE GOLDEN TREASURY OF AMERICAN SONGS AND LYRICS EDITED BY FREDERIC LAWRENCE KNOWLES _NEW REVISED EDITION_ [Illustration] BOSTON L.C. PAGE AND COMPANY (INCORPORATED) MDCCCXCIX Colonial Press: Electrotyped and Printed by C.H. Simonds & Co. Boston, Mass., U.S.A. PREFACE. The numerous collections of American verse share, I think, one fault in common: they include too much. Whether this has been a bid for popularity, a concession to Philistia, I cannot say; but the fact remains that all anthologies of American poetry are, so far as I know, more or less uncritical. The aim of the present book is different. In no case has a poem been included because it is widely known. The purpose of this compilation is solely that of preserving, in attractive and permanent form, about one hundred and fifty of the best lyrics of America. I am quite aware of the danger attending such exacting honor-rolls. At best, an editor's judgment is only personal, and the realization of this fact gives me no small diffidence in attempting to decide what American lyrics are best worthy of preservation. That every reader of the "American Treasury" will find some favorite poem omitted, there can be little doubt. But the effort made in this book towards a careful estimate of our lyrical poetry is at any rate, I feel sure, in a good direction. There appear in the index of Mr. Stedman's "Poets of America" the names of over three hundred native writers. American verse in the last half century has been extraordinarily prolific. It would seem that the time has come, in the course of our national literature, for proving all things and holding fast that which is good. The fact that the title of this compilation instantly calls to mind that of Mr. Palgrave's scholarly collection of English lyrics need not prove a disadvantage to the book if the purpose which led to the choice of name is understood. The verse of a single century produced in a new country should not be expected to equal the poetic wealth of an old and intellectual nation. But if American poetry cannot hope to rival the poetry of the mother country, it may at least be compared with it; and the fact of such a comparative point of view will aid rather than hinder the student of our native poetry in estimating its value. American verse has suffered at the hands both of its admirers and its enemies. Injudicious praise, no less than supercilious contempt, has reacted unfavorably on the fame of our poets. Again and again has some minor versifier been hailed as the "American Keats" or the "American Burns." Really excellent poets, though distinctly poets of second rank, have been elevated amid the blare of critical trumpets to the company of Wordsworth and Milton. All this is unprofitable and silly. But not much better is the attitude of certain critics who patronize everything in the English language which has been written outside of England. Though America has added--leaving Poe out of account--no distinctly new notes to English poetry, it has added certainly not a few true ones. A nation need never apologize for its literature when it has produced such lyrics--to go no further--as "On a Bust of Dante," "Ichabod," "The Chambered Nautilus," and the "Waterfowl." My method of arrangement is roughly chronological. The First Book, which is shorter than the others, might be called the book of Bryant; the Second, of Longfellow; and the Third, of Aldrich. Since the periods must of course overlap, this division of the poems can be at most only suggestive. I have made it no part of my design to grant to the better known poets a larger number of lyrics than those given later and younger men. I have paid no regard to that purely conventional idea of proportion, that would assign to five or six writers a dozen selections each, and to another set of poets, in proportion to their popular fame, half that number. We can safely leave the final adjustment of all rival claims to Time, the best critic; in the meanwhile having the more modest aim of selecting, irrespective of contemporary judgments, whatever is best suited to our purpose. A word more should be said about the title. I have not interpreted the term lyric so rigidly as to exclude sonnets, ballads, elegiac verse, or even pieces of almost pure description. If I had held to the strictest sense of lyric, this book would never have been compiled; for I suspect nothing will strike the reader more forcibly than the fact that, despite the excellence of the poems included, there is a notable lack of unconsciousness--of pure singing quality. Such things as Pinkney's "Health" and Holmes's "Old Ironsides" are the exception. The poems are composed cleverly, but they do not quite sing themselves to their own music. The best American verse, while not insincere, is seldom wholly spontaneous. This is not saying that much spontaneous verse has not been written in this country; much has been, but the singer's voice has too often been uncultivated, and the product inartistic. The names of many popular poets are entirely omitted. In no case, however, was this probably due to oversight. I have gone over carefully a wide field of verse, not without finding much to admire, but never quite happening upon that final touch of successful achievement where art and inspiration join. I am especially sorry to leave unrepresented a writer--more imaginative, possibly, than any American poet except Poe--whose utter contempt for technique in the ordinary sense places him wholly outside my present purpose. I wish to acknowledge various favors kindly shown by Professor C.T. Winchester, Professor Barrett Wendell, and Mr. H.E. Scudder. Thanks are also due Mr. T.B. Aldrich for the privilege of including the six poems from his pen, which were kindly selected for the book by the poet himself. The following firms deserve thanks for permitting the use of copyrighted poems: _Houghton, Mifflin & Co.:_ Thomas Bailey Aldrich, Christopher Pearse Cranch, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Annie Adams Fields, Louise Imogen Guiney, Oliver Wendell Holmes, William Dean Howells, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, James Russell Lowell, Thomas William Parsons, John James Piatt, Lizette Woodworth Reese, Hiram Rich, Edward Rowland Sill, Harriet Prescott Spofford, Edmund Clarence Stedman, Bayard Taylor, Henry David Thoreau, Maurice Thompson, John Greenleaf Whittier, George Edward Woodberry. Selections from the works of the foregoing writers are included "by permission of and by special arrangement with Houghton, Mifflin & Co., publishers of the works of said authors." _D. Appleton & Co.:_ Fitz-Greene Halleck, William Cullen Bryant. _Lee & Shepard:_ Julia Ward Howe. _Porter & Coates:_ Charles Fenno Hoffman. _Roberts Brothers:_ Emily Dickinson, Helen Hunt Jackson, Louise Chandler Moulton. _Copeland & Day:_ John Banister Tabb, Richard Hovey. _W.A. Pond & Co.:_ Stephen Collins Foster. _Clark & Maynard:_ Nathaniel Parker Willis. _The Cassell Publishing Co.:_ John Boyle O'Reilly. _The Century Co.:_ Richard Watson Gilder, James Whitcomb Riley (Poems in the _Century Magazine_). _Estes & Lauriat:_ Lloyd Mifflin. _Lamson & Wolffe:_ Bliss Carman. _Charles Scribner's Sons:_ Henry Cuyler Bunner, Eugene Field, Sidney Lanier, Richard Henry Stoddard, Henry Van Dyke. CONTENTS. PAGE Absence of Little Wesley, The _J.W. Riley_ 280 After All _W. Winter_ 117 Aladdin _J.R. Lowell_ 128 Annabel Lee _E.A. Poe_ 10 Apart _J.J. Piatt_ 149 At Gibraltar _G.E. Woodberry_ 273 At Last _R.H. Stoddard_ 153 At Night _R.W. Gilder_ 217 Auspex _J.R. Lowell_ 192 Ballad _H.P. Spofford_ 202 Battle-field, The _W.C. Bryant_ 54 Battle-hymn of the Republic _I.W. Howe_ 108 Be Thou a Bird, My Soul _(?)_ 282 Bedouin Song _B. Taylor_ 85 Bereaved _J.W. Riley_ 263 Birds _R.H. Stoddard_ 193 Black Regiment, The _G.H. Boker_ 100 Bucket, The _S. Woodworth_ 8 Carolina _H. Timrod_ 104 Chambered Nautilus, The _O.W. Holmes_ 178 Chariot, The _E. Dickinson_ 264 Childhood _J.B. Tabb_ 230 City in the Sea, The _E.A. Poe_ 15 Concord Hymn _R.W. Emerson_ 74 Confided _J.B. Tabb_ 266 Coronation _H.H. Jackson_ 183 Crowded Street, The _W.C. Bryant_ 42 Day is Done, The _W. Longfellow_ 66 Days _R.W. Emerson_ 126 Death-bed, A _J. Aldrich_ 136 Destiny _T.B. Aldrich_ 210 Dirge for a Soldier _G.H. Boker_ 106 Discoverer, The _E.C. Stedman_ 150 Dutch Lullaby _E. Field_ 284 Eavesdropper, The _B. Carman_ 298 Evening Song _S. Lanier_ 215 Eve's Daughter _E.R. Sill_ 247 Fall of the Leaf, The _H.D. Thoreau_ 162 Farragut _W.T. Meredith_ 110 Fertility _M. Thompson_ 294 Fire of Driftwood, The _H.W. Longfellow_ 133 Flight, The _L. Mifflin_ 229 Flight of Youth, The _R.H. Stoddard_ 129 Fool's Prayer, The _E.R. Sill_ 205 Four Winds, The _C.H. Lüders_ 258 Future, The _E.R. Sill_ 219 Gondolieds _H.H. Jackson_ 155 Gravedigger, The _B. Carman_ 277 Haunted Palace _E.A. Poe_ 26 Health, A _E.C. Pinkney_ 12 Hebe _J.R. Lowell_ 64 He Made the Stars Also _L. Mifflin_ 257 Her Epitaph _T.W. Parsons_ 147 House of Death, The _L.C. Moulton_ 236 Humble-bee, The _R.W. Emerson_ 169 Hunting Song _R. Hovey_ 251 Ichabod _J.G. Whittier_ 69 In Absence _J.B. Tabb_ 267 In August _W.D. Howells_ 223 Indian Summer _E. Dickinson_ 265 In the Hospital _M.W. Howland_ 122 In the Twilight _J.R. Lowell_ 158 Israfel _E.A. Poe_ 21 Jerry an' Me _H. Rich_ 275 Katie _H. Timrod_ 140 Kings, The _L.I. Guiney_ 211 Last Leaf, The _O.W. Holmes_ 95 Little Boy Blue _E. Field_ 231 Maryland Yellow-throat, The _H. Van Dyke_ 287 Memory _T.B. Aldrich_ 241 Mood, A _T.B. Aldrich_ 242 "My Life is Like the Summer Rose" _R.H. Wilde_ 4 My Love _J.R. Lowell_ 142 My Maryland _J.R. Randall_ 113 My Playmate _J.G. Whittier_ 130 My Strawberry _H.H. Jackson_ 167 Nature _H.W. Longfellow_ 63 Nature _H.D. Thoreau_ 166 Negro Lullaby _P.L. Dunbar_ 225 Night _L. Mifflin_ 256 No More _B.F. Willson_ 197 "O Fairest of the Rural Maids" _W.C. Bryant_ 6 Old Ironsides _O.W. Holmes_ 76 Old Kentucky Home, The _S.C. Foster_ 98 On a Bust of Dante _T.W. Parsons_ 185 On an Intaglio Head of Minerva _T.B. Aldrich_ 248 On the Death of Joseph Rodman Drake _F.G. Halleck_ 36 On the Life-mask of Abraham Lincoln _R.W. Gilder_ 207 Opportunity _E.R. Sill_ 283 Pan in Wall Street _E.C. Stedman_ 188 Paradisi Gloria _T.W. Parsons_ 201 Parting _E. Dickinson_ 252 Port of Ships, The _C.H. Miller_ 199 Prescience _T.B. Aldrich_ 221 Raven, The _E.A. Poe_ 45 Return, The _L.F. Tooker_ 260 Rhodora, The _R.W. Emerson_ 165 Sea's Voice, The _W.P. Foster_ 271 Secret, The _G.E. Woodberry_ 290 Serenade, A _E.C. Pinkney_ 14 Sesostris _L. Mifflin_ 300 She Came and Went _J.R. Lowell_ 145 Sigh, A _H.P. Spofford_ 196 Silence of Love, The _G.E. Woodberry_ 289 Sir Humphrey Gilbert _H.W. Longfellow_ 71 Skipper Ireson's Ride _J.G. Whittier_ 87 Sleeper, The _E.A. Poe_ 57 Song _R.W. Gilder_ 208 Song _J. Shaw_ 3 Song _R.H. Stoddard_ 127 Song of the Camp, The _B. Taylor_ 119 Song of the Chattahoochee _S. Lanier_ 268 Sparkling and Bright _C.F. Hoffman_ 32 Stanzas _C.P. Cranch_ 181 Still in Thy Love I Trust _A.A. Fields_ 218 Strong as Death _H.C. Bunner_ 233 Summer Rain, The _H.D. Thoreau_ 172 Telling the Bees _J.G. Whittier_ 137 "Thalatta" _J.B. Brown_ 154 That Day You Came _L.W. Reese_ 224 Thought _H.H. Jackson_ 180 Tide Rises, the Tide Falls, The _H.W. Longfellow_ 161 To a Dead Woman _H.C. Bunner_ 209 To America _G.H. Boker_ 75 To a Waterfowl _W.C. Bryant_ 29 To a Young Girl Dying _T.W. Parsons_ 198 To England _G.H. Boker_ 79 To Helen _E.A. Poe_ 31 To One in Paradise _E.A. Poe_ 34 To the Dandelion _J.R. Lowell_ 175 To the Fringed Gentian _W.C. Bryant_ 40 To the Past _W.C. Bryant_ 18 Toujours Amour _E.C. Stedman_ 194 Triumph _H.C. Bunner_ 213 Tropical Morning at Sea, A _E.R. Sill_ 238 Under the Violets _O.W. Holmes_ 124 Unseen Spirits _N.P. Willis_ 24 Valley of Unrest, The _E.A. Poe_ 38 Veery, The _H. Van Dyke_ 296 Village Blacksmith, The _H.W. Longfellow_ 92 Way to Arcady, The _H.C. Bunner_ 243 When the Sultan Goes to Ispahan _T.B. Aldrich_ 253 Whip-poor-will, The _H. Van Dyke_ 291 White Jessamine, The _J.B. Tabb_ 235 Wild Honeysuckle, The _P. Freneau_ 1 Woman's Thought, A _R.W. Gilder_ 227 Woods that Bring the Sunset Near, The _R.W. Gilder_ 216 Wreck of the Hesperus, The _H.W. Longfellow_ 80 BOOK FIRST. AMERICAN SONGS AND LYRICS The Wild Honeysuckle. Fair flower, that dost so comely grow, Hid in this silent, dull retreat, Untouched thy honey'd blossoms blow, Unseen thy little branches greet; No roving foot shall crush thee here, No busy hand provoke a tear. By Nature's self in white arrayed, She bade thee shun the vulgar eye, And planted here the guardian shade, And sent soft waters murmuring by; Thus quietly thy summer goes,-- Thy days declining to repose. Smit with those charms, that must decay, I grieve to see your future doom; They died--nor were those flowers more gay-- The flowers that did in Eden bloom; Unpitying frosts and Autumn's power Shall leave no vestige of this flower. From morning suns and evening dews At first thy little being came; If nothing once, you nothing lose, For when you die you are the same; The space between is but an hour, The frail duration of a flower. P. FRENEAU. Song. Who has robbed the ocean cave, To tinge thy lips with coral hue? Who from India's distant wave For thee those pearly treasures drew? Who from yonder orient sky Stole the morning of thine eye? Thousand charms, thy form to deck, From sea, and earth, and air are torn; Roses bloom upon thy cheek, On thy breath their fragrance borne. Guard thy bosom from the day, Lest thy snows should melt away. But one charm remains behind, Which mute earth can ne'er impart; Nor in ocean wilt thou find, Nor in the circling air, a heart. Fairest! wouldst thou perfect be, Take, oh, take that heart from me. J. SHAW. "My Life is Like the Summer Rose." My life is like the summer rose That opens to the morning sky, But ere the shades of evening close, Is scattered on the ground--to die! Yet on the rose's humble bed The sweetest dews of night are shed, As if she wept the waste to see,-- But none shall weep a tear for me! My life is like the autumn leaf That trembles in the moon's pale ray; Its hold is frail,--its date is brief, Restless,--and soon to pass away! Yet ere that leaf shall fall and fade, The parent tree will mourn its shade, The winds bewail the leafless tree,-- But none shall breathe a sigh for me! My life is like the prints which feet Have left on Tampa's desert strand; Soon as the rising tide shall beat, All trace will vanish from the sand; Yet, as if grieving to efface All vestige of the human race, On that lone shore loud moans the sea,-- But none, alas! shall mourn for me! R.H. WILDE. "O Fairest of the Rural Maids!" O Fairest of the rural maids! Thy birth was in the forest shades; Green boughs, and glimpses of the sky, Were all that met thine infant eye. Thy sports, thy wanderings, when a child, Were ever in the sylvan wild; And all the beauty of the place Is in thy heart and on thy face. The twilight of the trees and rocks Is in the light shade of thy locks; Thy step is as the wind, that weaves Its playful way among the leaves. Thine eyes are springs, in whose serene And silent waters heaven is seen; Their lashes are the herbs that look On their young figures in the brook. The forest depths, by foot unpressed, Are not more sinless than thy breast; The holy peace that fills the air Of those calm solitudes is there. W.C. BRYANT. The Bucket. How dear to this heart are the scenes of my childhood, When fond recollection presents them to view!-- The orchard, the meadow, the deep-tangled wild-wood, And every loved spot which my infancy knew! The wide-spreading pond, and the mill that stood by it; The bridge, and the rock where the cataract fell; The cot of my father, the dairy-house nigh it; And e'en the rude bucket that hung in the well,-- The old oaken bucket, the iron-bound bucket, The moss-covered bucket which hung in the well. That moss-covered vessel I hailed as a treasure; For often at noon, when returned from the field, I found it the source of an exquisite pleasure,-- The purest and sweetest that nature can yield. How ardent I seized it, with hands that were glowing, And quick to the white-pebbled bottom it fell! Then soon, with the emblem of truth overflowing, And dripping with coolness, it rose from the well, The old oaken bucket, the iron-bound bucket, The moss-covered bucket arose from the well. How sweet from the green, mossy brim to receive it, As, poised on the curb, it inclined to my lips! Not a full, blushing goblet could tempt me to leave it, The brightest that beauty or revelry sips. And now, far removed from the loved habitation, The tear of regret will intrusively swell, As fancy reverts to my father's plantation, And sighs for the bucket that hangs in the well,-- The old oaken bucket, the iron-bound bucket, The moss-covered bucket that hangs in the well. S. WOODWORTH. Annabel Lee. It was many and many a year ago, In a kingdom by the sea, That a maiden there lived whom you may know By the name of Annabel Lee; And this maiden she lived with no other thought Than to love and be loved by me. I was a child and she was a child, In this kingdom by the sea, But we loved with a love that was more than love, I and my Annabel Lee; With a love that the wingèd seraphs of heaven Coveted her and me. And this was the reason that, long ago, In this kingdom by the sea, A wind blew out of a cloud, chilling My beautiful Annabel Lee; So that her highborn kinsmen came And bore her away from me, To shut her up in a sepulchre In this kingdom by the sea. The angels, not half so happy in heaven, Went envying her and me; Yes, that was the reason (as all men know, In this kingdom by the sea) That the wind came out of the cloud by night, Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee. But our love it was stronger by far than the love Of those who were older than we, Of many far wiser than we; And neither the angels in heaven above, Nor the demons down under the sea, Can ever dissever my soul from the soul Of the beautiful Annabel Lee. For the moon never beams, without bringing me dreams Of the beautiful Annabel Lee; And the stars never rise, but I feel the bright eyes Of the beautiful Annabel Lee; And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side Of my darling,--my darling,--my life and my bride, In her sepulchre there by the sea, In her tomb by the sounding sea. E.A. POE. A Health. I fill this cup to one made up Of loveliness alone,-- A woman, of her gentle sex The seeming paragon; To whom the better elements And kindly stars have given A form so fair, that, like the air, 'Tis less of earth than heaven. Her every tone is music's own, Like those of morning birds; And something more than melody Dwells ever in her words; The coinage of her heart are they, And from her lips each flows As one may see the burden'd bee Forth issue from the rose. Affections are as thoughts to her, The measures of her hours; Her feelings have the fragrancy, The freshness of young flowers; And lovely passions, changing oft, So fill her, she appears The image of themselves by turns,-- The idol of past years! Of her bright face one glance will trace A picture on the brain; And of her voice in echoing hearts A sound must long remain, But memory, such as mine of her, So very much endears, When death is nigh, my latest sigh Will not be life's, but hers. I fill this cup to one made up Of loveliness alone,-- A woman, of her gentle sex The seeming paragon. Her health! and would on earth there stood Some more of such a frame, That life might be all poetry, And weariness a name. E.C. PINKNEY. A Serenade. Look out upon the stars, my love, And shame them with thine eyes, On which, than on the lights above, There hang more destinies. Night's beauty is the harmony Of blending shades and light: Then, lady, up,--look out, and be A sister to the night! Sleep not!--thine image wakes for aye Within my watching breast; Sleep not!--from her soft sleep should fly, Who robs all hearts of rest. Nay, lady, from thy slumbers break, And make this darkness gay, With looks whose brightness well might make Of darker nights a day. E.C. PINKNEY. The City in the Sea. Lo! Death has reared himself a throne In a strange city lying alone Far down within the dim West, Where the good and the bad and the worst and the best Have gone to their eternal rest. There shrines and palaces and towers (Time-eaten towers that tremble not) Resemble nothing that is ours. Around, by lifting winds forgot, Resignedly beneath the sky The melancholy waters lie. No rays from the holy heaven come down On the long night-time of that town; But light from out the lurid sea Streams up the turrets silently, Gleams up the pinnacles far and free: Up domes, up spires, up kingly halls, Up fanes, up Babylon-like walls, Up shadowy, long-forgotten bowers Of sculptured ivy and stone flowers, Up many and many a marvellous shrine, Whose wreathèd friezes intertwine The viol, the violet, and the vine. Resignedly beneath the sky The melancholy waters lie. So blend the turrets and shadows there That all seem pendulous in air, While from a proud tower in the town Death looks gigantically down. There open fanes and gaping graves Yawn level with the luminous waves; But not the riches there that lie In each idol's diamond eye,-- Not the gaily-jewelled dead Tempt the waters from their bed; For no ripples curl, alas, Along that wilderness of glass; No swellings tell that winds may be Upon some far-off happier sea; No heavings hint that winds have been On seas less hideously serene! But lo, a stir is in the air! The wave--there is a movement there! As if the towers had thrust aside, In slightly sinking, the dull tide; As if their tops had feebly given A void within the filmy Heaven! The waves have now a redder glow, The hours are breathing faint and low; And when, amid no earthly moans, Down, down that town shall settle hence, Hell, rising from a thousand thrones, Shall do it reverence. E.A. POE. To The Past. Thou unrelenting Past! Strong are the barriers round thy dark domain, And fetters, sure and fast, Hold all that enter thy unbreathing reign. Far in thy realm withdrawn, Old empires sit in sullenness and gloom, And glorious ages gone Lie deep within the shadow of thy womb. Childhood, with all its mirth, Youth, Manhood, Age that draws us to the ground, And last, Man's Life on earth, Glide to thy dim dominions, and are bound. Thou hast my better years; Thou hast my earlier friends, the good, the kind, Yielded to thee with tears,-- The venerable form, the exalted mind. My spirit yearns to bring The lost ones back,--yearns with desire intense, And struggles hard to wring Thy bolts apart, and pluck thy captives thence. In vain; thy gates deny All passage save to those who hence depart; Nor to the streaming eye Thou giv'st them back,--nor to the broken heart. In thy abysses hide Beauty and excellence unknown; to thee Earth's wonder and her pride Are gathered, as the waters to the sea; Labors of good to man, Unpublished charity, unbroken faith, Love, that midst grief began, And grew with years, and faltered not in death. Full many a mighty name Lurks in thy depths, unuttered, unrevered; With thee are silent fame, Forgotten arts, and wisdom disappeared. Thine for a space are they,-- Yet shalt thou yield thy treasures up at last! Thy gates shall yet give way, Thy bolts shall fall, inexorable Past! All that of good and fair Has gone into thy womb from earliest time, Shall then come forth, to wear The glory and the beauty of its prime. They have not perished,--no! Kind words, remembered voices once so sweet, Smiles, radiant long ago, And features, the great soul's apparent seat; All shall come back, each tie Of pure affection shall be knit again; Alone shall Evil die, And Sorrow dwell a prisoner in thy reign. And then shall I behold Him, by whose kind paternal side I sprung, And her, who, still and cold, Fills the next grave,--the beautiful and young. W.C. BRYANT. Israfel. And the angel Israfel, whose heart-strings are a lute, and who has the sweetest voice of all God's creatures. --_Koran._ In Heaven a spirit doth dwell Whose heart-strings are a lute; None sing so wildly well As the angel Israfel, And the giddy stars (so legends tell), Ceasing their hymns, attend the spell Of his voice, all mute. Tottering above In her highest noon, The enamored moon Blushes with love, While, to listen, the red levin (With the rapid Pleiads, even, Which were seven) Pauses in Heaven. And they say (the starry choir And the other listening things) That Israfeli's fire Is owing to that lyre By which he sits and sings,-- The trembling living wire Of those unusual strings. But the skies that angel trod, Where deep thoughts are a duty, Where Love's a grown-up God, Where the Houri glances are Imbued with all the beauty Which we worship in a star. Therefore thou art not wrong, Israfeli, who despisest An unimpassioned song; To thee the laurels belong, Best bard, because the wisest: Merrily live, and long! The ecstasies above With thy burning measures suit: Thy grief, thy joy, thy hate, thy love, With the fervor of thy lute: Well may the stars be mute! Yes, Heaven is thine; but this Is a world of sweets and sours; Our flowers are merely--flowers, And the shadow of thy perfect bliss Is the sunshine of ours. If I could dwell Where Israfel Hath dwelt, and he where I, He might not sing so wildly well A mortal melody, While a bolder note than this might swell From my lyre within the sky. E.A. POE. Unseen Spirits. The shadows lay along Broadway,-- 'Twas near the twilight-tide,-- And slowly there a lady fair Was walking in her pride. Alone walked she; but, viewlessly, Walked spirits at her side. Peace charmed the street beneath her feet, And Honor charmed the air; And all astir looked kind on her, And called her good as fair-- For all God ever gave to her She kept with chary care. She kept with care her beauties rare From lovers warm and true, For her heart was cold to all but gold, And the rich came not to woo; But honored well are charms to sell, If priests the selling do. Now walking there was one more fair,-- A slight girl, lily-pale; And she had unseen company To make the spirit quail,-- 'Twixt Want and Scorn she walked forlorn, And nothing could avail. No mercy now can clear her brow For this world's peace to pray; For, as love's wild prayer dissolved in air, Her woman's heart gave way! But the sin forgiven by Christ in heaven By man is cursed alway. N.P. WILLIS. The Haunted Palace. In the greenest of our valleys By good angels tenanted, Once a fair and stately palace-- Radiant palace--reared its head. In the monarch Thought's dominion, It stood there; Never seraph spread a pinion Over fabric half so fair. Banners yellow, glorious, golden, On its roof did float and flow (This--all this--was in the olden Time long ago), And every gentle air that dallied, In that sweet day, Along the ramparts plumed and pallid, A wingèd odor went away. Wanderers in that happy valley Through two luminous windows saw Spirits moving musically, To a lute's well-tunèd law, Round about a throne where, sitting, Porphyrogene, In state his glory well befitting, The ruler of the realm was seen. And all with pearl and ruby glowing Was the fair palace door, Through which came flowing, flowing, flowing, And sparkling evermore, A troop of Echoes, whose sweet duty Was but to sing, In voices of surpassing beauty, The wit and wisdom of their king. But evil things, in robes of sorrow, Assailed the monarch's high estate; (Ah, let us mourn, for never morrow Shall dawn upon him desolate!) And round about his home the glory That blushed and bloomed Is but a dim-remembered story Of the old time entombed. And travellers now within that valley Through the red-litten windows see Vast forms that move fantastically To a discordant melody; While, like a ghastly rapid river, Through the pale door A hideous throng rush out forever, And laugh--but smile no more. E.A. POE. To a Waterfowl. Whither, midst falling dew, While glow the heavens with the last steps of day, Far, through their rosy depths dost thou pursue Thy solitary way? Vainly the fowler's eye Might mark thy distant flight to do thee wrong, As, darkly painted on the crimson sky, Thy figure floats along. Seek'st thou the plashy brink Of weedy lake, or marge of river wide, Or where the rocking billows rise and sink On the chafed ocean-side? There is a Power whose care Teaches thy way along that pathless coast-- The desert and illimitable air-- Lone wandering, but not lost. All day thy wings have fanned, At that far height, the cold, thin atmosphere, Yet stoop not, weary, to the welcome land, Though the dark night is near. And soon that toil shall end; Soon shalt thou find a summer home, and rest, And scream among thy fellows; reeds shall bend, Soon, o'er thy sheltered nest. Thou'rt gone, the abyss of heaven Hath swallowed up thy form; yet, on my heart Deeply hath sunk the lesson thou hast given, And shall not soon depart: He who, from zone to zone, Guides through the boundless sky thy certain flight, In the long way that I must tread alone, Will lead my steps aright. W.C. BRYANT. To Helen. Helen, thy beauty is to me Like those Nicæan barks of yore, That gently, o'er a perfumed sea, The weary, wayworn wanderer bore To his own native shore. On desperate seas long wont to roam, Thy hyacinth hair, thy classic face, Thy Naiad airs, have brought me home To the glory that was Greece And the grandeur that was Rome. Lo! in yon brilliant window-niche How statue-like I see thee stand, The agate lamp within thy hand! Ah, Psyche, from the regions which Are Holy Land! E.A. POE. Sparkling and Bright. Sparkling and bright in liquid light Does the wine our goblets gleam in, With hue as red as the rosy bed Which a bee would choose to dream in. Then fill to-night, with hearts as light, To loves as gay and fleeting As bubbles that swim on the beaker's brim, And break on the lips while meeting. Oh! if Mirth might arrest the flight Of Time through Life's dominions, We here awhile would now beguile The graybeard of his pinions, To drink to-night, with hearts as light, To loves as gay and fleeting As bubbles that swim on the beaker's brim, And break on the lips while meeting. But since Delight can't tempt the wight, Nor fond Regret delay him, Nor Love himself can hold the elf, Nor sober Friendship stay him, We'll drink to-night, with hearts as light, To loves as gay and fleeting As bubbles that swim on the beaker's brim, And break on the lips while meeting. C.F. HOFFMAN. To One in Paradise. Thou wast all that to me, love, For which my soul did pine: A green isle in the sea, love, A fountain and a shrine All wreathed with fairy fruits and flowers, And all the flowers were mine. Ah, dream too bright to last! Ah, starry Hope, that didst arise But to be overcast! A voice from out the Future cries, "On! on!"--but o'er the Past (Dim gulf!) my spirit hovering lies Mute, motionless, aghast. For, alas! alas! with me The light of Life is o'er! No more--no more--no more-- (Such language holds the solemn sea To the sands upon the shore) Shall bloom the thunder-blasted tree, Or the stricken eagle soar. And all my days are trances, And all my nightly dreams Are where thy gray eye glances, And where thy footstep gleams,-- In what ethereal dances, By what eternal streams. E.A. POE. On the Death of Joseph Rodman Drake. Green be the turf above thee, Friend of my better days! None knew thee but to love thee, Nor named thee but to praise. Tears fell when thou wert dying, From eyes unused to weep, And long, where thou art lying, Will tears the cold turf steep. When hearts, whose truth was proven, Like thine, are laid in earth, There should a wreath be woven To tell the world their worth; And I, who woke each morrow To clasp thy hand in mine, Who shared thy joy and sorrow, Whose weal and woe were thine, It should be mine to braid it Around thy faded brow, But I've in vain essayed it, And feel I cannot now. While memory bids me weep thee, Nor thoughts nor words are free, The grief is fixed too deeply That mourns a man like thee. F.G. HALLECK. The Valley of Unrest. Once it smiled a silent dell Where the people did not dwell; They had gone unto the wars, Trusting to the mild-eyed stars, Nightly, from their azure towers, To keep watch above the flowers, In the midst of which all day The red sunlight lazily lay. Now each visitor shall confess The sad valley's restlessness. Nothing there is motionless, Nothing save the airs that brood Over the magic solitude. Ah, by no wind are stirred those trees That palpitate like the chill seas Around the misty Hebrides! Ah, by no wind those clouds are driven That rustle through the unquiet Heaven Uneasily, from morn to even, Over the violets there that lie In myriad types of the human eye, Over the lilies there that wave And weep above a nameless grave! They wave:--from out their fragrant tops Eternal dews come down in drops. They weep:--from off their delicate stems Perennial tears descend in gems. E.A. POE. To the Fringed Gentian. Thou blossom bright with autumn dew, And colored with the heaven's own blue, That openest when the quiet light Succeeds the keen and frosty night: Thou comest not when violets lean O'er wandering brooks and springs unseen, Or columbines, in purple dressed, Nod o'er the ground-bird's hidden nest. Thou waitest late and com'st alone, When woods are bare and birds are flown, And frosts and shortening days portend The aged year is near his end. Then doth thy sweet and quiet eye Look through its fringes to the sky, Blue--blue--as if that sky let fall A flower from its cerulean wall. I would that thus, when I shall see The hour of death draw near to me, Hope, blossoming within my heart, May look to heaven as I depart. W.C. BRYANT. The Crowded Street. Let me move slowly through the street, Filled with an ever-shifting train, Amid the sound of steps that beat The murmuring walks like autumn rain. How fast the flitting figures come! The mild, the fierce, the stony face,-- Some bright with thoughtless smiles, and some Where secret tears have left their trace. They pass--to toil, to strife, to rest; To halls in which the feast is spread; To chambers where the funeral guest In silence sits beside the dead. And some to happy homes repair, Where children, pressing cheek to cheek, With mute caresses shall declare The tenderness they cannot speak. And some, who walk in calmness here, Shall shudder as they reach the door Where one who made their dwelling dear, Its flower, its light, is seen no more. Youth, with pale cheek and slender frame, And dreams of greatness in thine eye! Go'st thou to build an early name, Or early in the task to die? Keen son of trade, with eager brow! Who is now fluttering in thy snare? Thy golden fortunes, tower they now, Or melt the glittering spires in air? Who of this crowd to-night shall tread The dance till daylight gleam again? Who sorrow o'er the untimely dead? Who writhe in throes of mortal pain? Some, famine-struck, shall think how long The cold, dark hours, how slow the light; And some, who flaunt amid the throng, Shall hide in dens of shame to-night. Each where his tasks or pleasures call, They pass, and heed each other not. There is who heeds, who holds them all In His large love and boundless thought. These struggling tides of life, that seem In wayward, aimless course to tend, Are eddies of the mighty stream That rolls to its appointed end. W.C. BRYANT. The Raven. Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,-- While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping--rapping at my chamber door. "'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door,-- Only this, and nothing more." Ah, distinctly I remember, it was in the bleak December, And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly I wished the morrow;--vainly I had sought to borrow From my books surcease of sorrow--sorrow for the lost Lenore,-- For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore,-- Nameless here forevermore. And the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain Thrilled me--filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before; So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating "'Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door, --Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door;-- This it is, and nothing more." Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer, "Sir," said I, "or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore; But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping, And so faintly you came tapping--tapping at my chamber door, That I scarce was sure I heard you;"--here I opened wide the door:-- Darkness there, and nothing more. Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before; But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, "Lenore?" This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, "Lenore:" Merely this, and nothing more. Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning, Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before. "Surely," said I, "surely that is something at my window lattice; Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore,-- Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore;-- 'Tis the wind, and nothing more." Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter, In there stepped a stately Raven of the saintly days of yore. Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he; But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door-- Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door-- Perched, and sat, and nothing more. Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, "Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven, Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore,-- Tell, me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!" Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly, Though its answer little meaning--little relevancy bore; For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being Ever yet was blest with seeing bird above his chamber door-- Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door, With such name as "Nevermore." But the Raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour. Nothing further then he uttered--not a feather then he fluttered-- Till I scarcely more than muttered, "Other friends have flown before-- On the morrow _he_ will leave me, as my hopes have flown before." Then the bird said, "Nevermore." Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken, "Doubtless," said I, "what it utters is its only stock and store, Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore, Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore Of 'Never--nevermore.'" But the Raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling, Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird and bust and door; Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore-- What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous bird of yore Meant in croaking "Nevermore." This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing To the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core; This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining On the cushion's velvet lining that the lamplight gloated o'er, But whose velvet violet lining with the lamplight gloating o'er _She_ shall press, ah, nevermore! Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer Swung by Seraphim whose footfalls tinkled on the tufted floor. "Wretch," I cried, "thy God hath lent thee--by these angels He hath sent thee Respite--respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Lenore! Quaff, oh, quaff this kind nepenthe, and forget this lost Lenore!" Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." "Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil!--prophet still, if bird or devil!-- Whether Tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore, Desolate, yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted-- On this home by Horror haunted--tell me truly, I implore,-- Is there,--_is_ there balm in Gilead?--tell me--tell me, I implore!" Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." "Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil!--prophet still, if bird or devil! By that Heaven that bends above us--by that God we both adore-- Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn, It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore-- Clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore." Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." "Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!" I shrieked, upstarting,-- "Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore! Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken! Leave my loneliness unbroken!--quit the bust above my door! Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!" Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming, And the lamplight o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor; And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted,--nevermore! E.A. POE. The Battle-field. Once this soft turf, this rivulet's sands, Were trampled by a hurrying crowd, And fiery hearts and armèd hands Encountered in the battle-cloud. Ah! never shall the land forget How gushed the life-blood of her brave,-- Gushed, warm with hope and courage yet, Upon the soil they fought to save. Now all is calm and fresh and still; Alone the chirp of flitting bird, And talk of children on the hill, And bell of wandering kine are heard. No solemn host goes trailing by The black-mouthed gun and staggering wain; Men start not at the battle-cry; Oh, be it never heard again! Soon rested those who fought; but thou Who minglest in the harder strife For truths which men receive not now, Thy warfare only ends with life. A friendless warfare! lingering long Through weary day and weary year; A wild and many-weaponed throng Hang on thy front and flank and rear. Yet nerve thy spirit to the proof, And blench not at thy chosen lot; The timid good may stand aloof, The sage may frown,--yet faint thou not! Nor heed the shaft too surely cast, The foul and hissing bolt of scorn, For with thy side shall dwell, at last, The victory of endurance born. Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again; The eternal years of God are hers; But Error, wounded, writhes in pain, And dies among his worshippers. Yea, though thou lie upon the dust, When they who helped thee flee in fear, Die full of hope and manly trust, Like those who fell in battle here. Another hand thy sword shall wield, Another hand the standard wave, Till from the trumpet's mouth is pealed The blast of triumph o'er thy grave. W.C. BRYANT. The Sleeper. At midnight, in the month of June, I stand beneath the mystic moon. An opiate vapor, dewy, dim, Exhales from out her golden rim, And, softly dripping, drop by drop, Upon the quiet mountain-top, Steals drowsily and musically Into the universal valley. The rosemary nods upon the grave; The lily lolls upon the wave; Wrapping the fog about its breast, The ruin moulders into rest; Looking like Lethe, see! the lake A conscious slumber seems to take, And would not, for the world, awake. All beauty sleeps!--and lo! where lies Irene, with her destinies! O lady bright! can it be right, This window open to the night? The wanton airs from the tree-top Laughingly through the lattice drop; The bodiless airs, a wizard rout, Flit through thy chamber in and out, And wave the curtain canopy So fitfully, so fearfully, Above the closed and fringed lid 'Neath which thy slumb'ring soul lies hid, That, o'er the floor and down the wall, Like ghosts the shadows rise and fall. O lady dear, hast thou no fear? Why and what art thou dreaming here? Sure thou art come o'er far-off seas, A wonder to these garden trees! Strange is thy pallor; strange thy dress; Strange, above all, thy length of tress, And this all solemn silentness! The lady sleeps. Oh, may her sleep, Which is enduring, so be deep! Heaven have her in its sacred keep! This chamber changed for one more holy, This bed for one more melancholy, I pray to God that she may lie Forever with unopened eye, While the pale sheeted ghosts go by. My love, she sleeps. Oh, may her sleep, As it is lasting, so be deep! Soft may the worms about her creep! Far in the forest, dim and old, For her may some tall vault unfold: Some vault that oft hath flung its black And wingèd panels fluttering back, Triumphant, o'er the crested palls Of her grand family funerals; Some sepulchre, remote, alone, Against whose portal she hath thrown, In childhood, many an idle stone; Some tomb from out whose sounding door She ne'er shall force an echo more, Thrilling to think, poor child of sin, It was the dead who groaned within! E.A. POE. BOOK SECOND. Nature. As a fond mother, when the day is o'er, Leads by the hand her little child to bed, Half willing, half reluctant to be led, And leave his broken playthings on the floor, Still gazing at them through the open door, Nor wholly reassured and comforted By promises of others in their stead, Which, though more splendid, may not please him more,-- So Nature deals with us, and takes away Our playthings one by one, and by the hand Leads us to rest so gently, that we go Scarce knowing if we wish to go or stay, Being too full of sleep to understand How far the unknown transcends the what we know. H.W. LONGFELLOW. Hebe. I saw the twinkle of white feet, I saw the flash of robes descending; Before her ran an influence fleet, That bowed my heart like barley bending. As, in bare fields, the searching bees Pilot to blooms beyond our finding, It led me on, by sweet degrees Joy's simple honey-cells unbinding. Those Graces were that seemed grim Fates; With nearer love the sky leaned o'er me; The long-sought Secret's golden gates On musical hinges swung before me. I saw the brimmed bowl in her grasp Thrilling with godhood; like a lover I sprang the proffered life to clasp;-- The beaker fell; the luck was over. The Earth has drunk the vintage up; What boots it patch the goblet's splinters? Can Summer fill the icy cup, Whose treacherous crystal is but Winter's? O spendthrift haste! await the Gods; Their nectar crowns the lips of Patience; Haste scatters on unthankful sods The immortal gift in vain libations. Coy Hebe flies from those that woo, And shuns the hands would seize upon her; Follow thy life, and she will sue To pour for thee the cup of honor. J.R. LOWELL. The Day is Done. The day is done, and the darkness Falls from the wings of Night, As a feather is wafted downward From an eagle in his flight. I see the lights of the village Gleam through the rain and the mist, And a feeling of sadness comes o'er me That my soul cannot resist: A feeling of sadness and longing, That is not akin to pain, And resembles sorrow only As the mist resembles the rain. Come, read to me some poem, Some simple and heartfelt lay, That shall soothe this restless feeling, And banish the thoughts of day. Not from the grand old masters, Not from the bards sublime, Whose distant footsteps echo Through the corridors of Time. For, like strains of martial music, Their mighty thoughts suggest Life's endless toil and endeavor; And to-night I long for rest. Read from some humbler poet, Whose songs gushed from his heart, As showers from the clouds of summer, Or tears from the eyelids start; Who, through long days of labor, And nights devoid of ease, Still heard in his soul the music Of wonderful melodies. Such songs have power to quiet The restless pulse of care, And come like the benediction That follows after prayer. Then read from the treasured volume The poem of thy choice, And lend to the rhyme of the poet The beauty of thy voice. And the night shall be filled with music, And the cares that infest the day Shall fold their tents, like the Arabs, And as silently steal away. H.W. LONGFELLOW. Ichabod. So fallen! so lost! the light withdrawn Which once he wore! The glory from his gray hairs gone Forevermore! Revile him not,--the Tempter hath A snare for all; And pitying tears, not scorn and wrath, Befit his fall! Oh, dumb be passion's stormy rage, When he who might Have lighted up and led his age, Falls back in night. Scorn! would the angels laugh, to mark A bright soul driven, Fiend-goaded, down the endless dark, From hope and heaven! Let not the land once proud of him Insult him now, Nor brand with deeper shame his dim, Dishonored brow. But let its humbled sons, instead, From sea to lake, A long lament, as for the dead, In sadness make. Of all we loved and honored, naught Save power remains,-- A fallen angel's pride of thought, Still strong in chains. All else is gone; from those great eyes The soul has fled: When faith is lost, when honor dies. The man is dead! Then, pay the reverence of old days To his dead fame; Walk backward, with averted gaze, And hide the shame! J.G. WHITTIER. Sir Humphrey Gilbert. Southward with fleet of ice Sailed the corsair Death; Wild and fast blew the blast, And the east-wind was his breath. His lordly ships of ice Glisten in the sun; On each side, like pennons wide, Flashing crystal streamlets run. His sails of white sea-mist Dripped with silver rain; But where he passed there were cast Leaden shadows o'er the main. Eastward from Campobello Sir Humphrey Gilbert sailed; Three days or more seaward he bore, Then, alas! the land-wind failed. Alas! the land-wind failed, And ice-cold grew the night; And nevermore, on sea or shore, Should Sir Humphrey see the light. He sat upon the deck, The Book was in his hand; "Do not fear! Heaven is as near," He said, "by water as by land!" In the first watch of the night, Without a signal's sound, Out of the sea, mysteriously, The fleet of Death rose all around. The moon and the evening star Were hanging in the shrouds; Every mast, as it passed, Seemed to rake the passing clouds. They grappled with their prize, At midnight black and cold! As of a rock was the shock; Heavily the ground-swell rolled. Southward through day and dark, They drift in close embrace, With mist and rain, o'er the open main; Yet there seems no change of place. Southward, forever southward, They drift through dark and day; And like a dream, in the Gulf Stream Sinking, vanish all away. H.W. LONGFELLOW. Concord Hymn. Sung at the completion of the Battle Monument, April 19, 1836. By the rude bridge that arched the flood, Their flag to April's breeze unfurled, Here once the embattled farmers stood, And fired the shot heard round the world. The foe long since in silence slept; Alike the conqueror silent sleeps; And Time the ruined bridge has swept Down the dark stream which seaward creeps. On this green bank, by this soft stream, We set to-day a votive stone, That memory may their deed redeem, When, like our sires, our sons are gone. Spirit, that made those heroes dare To die, and leave their children free, Bid Time and Nature gently spare The shaft we raise to them and thee. R.W. EMERSON. To America. What, cringe to Europe! Band it all in one, Stilt its decrepit strength, renew its age, Wipe out its debts, contract a loan to wage Its venal battles,--and, by yon bright sun, Our God is false, and liberty undone, If slaves have power to win your heritage! Look on your country, God's appointed stage, Where man's vast mind its boundless course shall run: For that it was your stormy coast He spread-- A fear in winter; girded you about With granite hills, and made you strong and dread. Let him who fears before the foemen shout, Or gives an inch before a vein has bled, Turn on himself, and let the traitor out! G.H. BOKER. Old Ironsides. Ay, tear her tattered ensign down! Long has it waved on high, And many an eye has danced to see That banner in the sky; Beneath it rung the battle shout, And burst the cannon's roar;-- The meteor of the ocean air Shall sweep the clouds no more. Her deck, once red with heroes' blood, Where knelt the vanquished foe, When winds were hurrying o'er the flood, And waves were white below, No more shall feel the victor's tread, Or know the conquered knee; The harpies of the shore shall pluck The eagle of the sea! Oh, better that her shattered hulk Should sink beneath the wave! Her thunders shook the mighty deep, And there should be her grave; Nail to the mast her holy flag, Set every threadbare sail, And give her to the god of storms, The lightning, and the gale! O.W. HOLMES. To England. I. Lear and Cordelia! 'twas an ancient tale Before thy Shakespeare gave it deathless fame; The times have changed, the moral is the same. So like an outcast, dowerless and pale, Thy daughter went; and in a foreign gale Spread her young banner, till its sway became A wonder to the nations. Days of shame Are close upon thee; prophets raise their wail. When the rude Cossack with an outstretched hand Points his long spear across the narrow sea,-- "Lo! there is England!" when thy destiny Storms on thy straw-crowned head, and thou dost stand Weak, helpless, mad, a by-word in the land,-- God grant thy daughter a Cordelia be! [1852.] II. Stand, thou great bulwark of man's liberty! Thou rock of shelter, rising from the wave, Sole refuge to the overwearied brave Who planned, arose, and battled to be free, Fell, undeterred, then sadly turned to thee, Saved the free spirit from their country's grave, To rise again, and animate the slave, When God shall ripen all things. Britons, ye Who guard the sacred outpost, not in vain Hold your proud peril! Freemen undefiled, Keep watch and ward! Let battlements be piled Around your cliffs; fleets marshalled, till the main Sink under them; and if your courage wane, Through force or fraud, look westward to your child! [1853.] G.H. BOKER. The Wreck of the Hesperus. It was the schooner Hesperus, That sailed the wintry sea; And the skipper had taken his little daughtèr, To bear him company. Blue were her eyes as the fairy-flax, Her cheeks like the dawn of day, And her bosom white as the hawthorn buds, That ope in the month of May. The skipper he stood beside the helm, His pipe was in his mouth, And he watched how the veering flaw did blow The smoke now West, now South. Then up and spake an old Sailòr, Had sailed to the Spanish Main, "I pray thee, put into yonder port, For I fear a hurricane. "Last night, the moon had a golden ring, And to-night no moon we see!" The skipper, he blew a whiff from his pipe, And a scornful laugh laughed he. Colder and louder blew the wind, A gale from the Northeast, The snow fell hissing in the brine, And the billows frothed like yeast. Down came the storm, and smote amain The vessel in its strength; She shuddered and paused, like a frightened steed, Then leaped her cable's length. "Come hither! come hither! my little daughter, And do not tremble so; For I can weather the roughest gale That ever wind did blow." He wrapped her warm in his seaman's coat Against the stinging blast; He cut a rope from a broken spar, And bound her to the mast. "O father! I hear the church-bells ring, Oh, say, what may it be?" "'Tis a fog-bell on a rock-bound coast!"-- And he steered for the open sea. "O father! I hear the sound of guns, Oh, say, what may it be?" "Some ship in distress, that cannot live In such an angry sea!" "O father! I see a gleaming light, Oh, say, what may it be?" But the father answered never a word, A frozen corpse was he. Lashed to the helm, all stiff and stark, With his face turned to the skies, The lantern gleamed through the gleaming snow On his fixed and glassy eyes. Then the maiden clasped her hands and prayed That savèd she might be; And she thought of Christ, who stilled the wave, On the Lake of Galilee. And fast through the midnight dark and drear, Through the whistling sleet and snow, Like a sheeted ghost, the vessel swept Tow'rds the reef of Norman's Woe. And ever the fitful gusts between A sound came from the land; It was the sound of the trampling surf On the rocks and the hard sea-sand. The breakers were right beneath her bows, She drifted a dreary wreck, And a whooping billow swept the crew Like icicles from her deck. She struck where the white and fleecy waves Looked soft as carded wool, But the cruel rocks, they gored her side Like the horns of an angry bull. Her rattling shrouds, all sheathed in ice, With the masts went by the board; Like a vessel of glass, she stove and sank, Ho! ho! the breakers roared! At daybreak, on the bleak sea-beach, A fisherman stood aghast, To see the form of a maiden fair, Lashed close to a drifting mast. The salt sea was frozen on her breast, The salt tears in her eyes; And he saw her hair, like the brown sea-weed, On the billows fall and rise. Such was the wreck of the Hesperus, In the midnight and the snow! Christ save us all from a death like this, On the reef of Norman's Woe! H.W. LONGFELLOW. Bedouin Song. From the Desert I come to thee On a stallion shod with fire, And the winds are left behind In the speed of my desire. Under thy window I stand, And the midnight hears my cry: I love thee, I love but thee, With a love that shall not die _Till the sun grows cold,_ _And the stars are old,_ _And the leaves of the Judgment Book unfold!_ Look from thy window and see My passion and my pain; I lie on the sands below, And I faint in thy disdain. Let the night-winds touch thy brow With the heat of my burning sigh, And melt thee to hear the vow Of a love that shall not die _Till the sun grows cold,_ _And the stars are old,_ _And the leaves of the Judgment Book unfold!_ My steps are nightly driven, By the fever in my breast, To hear from thy lattice breathed The word that shall give me rest. Open the door of thy heart, And open thy chamber door, And my kisses shall teach thy lips The love that shall fade no more _Till the sun grows cold,_ _And the stars are old,_ _And the leaves of the Judgment Book unfold!_ B. TAYLOR. Skipper Ireson's Ride. Of all the rides since the birth of time, Told in story or sung in rhyme,-- On Apuleius's Golden Ass, Or one-eyed Calendar's horse of brass, Witch astride of a human back, Islam's prophet on Al-Borak,-- The strangest ride that ever was sped Was Ireson's, out from Marblehead! Old Floyd Ireson, for his hard heart, Tarred and feathered and carried in a cart By the women of Marblehead! Body of turkey, head of owl, Wings a-droop like a rained-on fowl, Feathered and ruffled in every part, Skipper Ireson stood in the cart. Scores of women, old and young, Strong of muscle, and glib of tongue, Pushed and pulled up the rocky lane, Shouting and singing the shrill refrain: "Here's Flud Oirson, fur his horrd horrt, Torr'd an' futherr'd an' corr'd in a corrt By the women o' Morble'ead!" Wrinkled scolds with hands on hips, Girls in bloom of cheek and lips, Wild-eyed, free-limbed, such as chase Bacchus round some antique vase, Brief of skirt, with ankles bare, Loose of kerchief and loose of hair, With conch-shells blowing and fish-horns' twang, Over and over the Mænads sang: "Here's Flud Oirson, fur his horrd horrt, Torr'd an' futherr'd an' corr'd in a corrt By the women o' Morble'ead!" Small pity for him!--He sailed away From a leaking ship, in Chaleur Bay,-- Sailed away from a sinking wreck, With his own town's-people on her deck! "Lay by! lay by!" they called to him. Back he answered, "Sink or swim! Brag of your catch of fish again!" And off he sailed through the fog and rain! Old Floyd Ireson, for his hard heart, Tarred and feathered and carried in a cart By the women of Marblehead! Fathoms deep in dark Chaleur That wreck shall lie forevermore. Mother and sister, wife and maid, Looked from the rocks of Marblehead Over the moaning and rainy sea,-- Looked for the coming that might not be! What did the winds and the sea-birds say Of the cruel captain who sailed away?-- Old Floyd Ireson, for his hard heart, Tarred and feathered and carried in a cart By the women of Marblehead! Through the street, on either side, Up flew windows, doors swung wide; Sharp-tongued spinsters, old wives gray, Treble lent the fish-horn's bray. Sea-worn grandsires, cripple-bound, Hulks of old sailors run aground, Shook head, and fist, and hat, and cane, And cracked with curses the hoarse refrain: "Here's Flud Oirson, fur his horrd horrt, Torr'd an' futherr'd an' corr'd in a corrt By the women o' Morble'ead!" Sweetly along the Salem road Bloom of orchard and lilac showed. Little the wicked skipper knew Of the fields so green and the sky so blue. Riding there in his sorry trim, Like an Indian idol glum and grim, Scarcely he seemed the sound to hear Of voices shouting, far and near: "Here's Flud Oirson, fur his horrd horrt, Torr'd an' futherr'd an' corr'd in a corrt By the women o' Morble'ead!" "Hear me, neighbors!" at last he cried,-- "What to me is this noisy ride? What is the shame that clothes the skin To the nameless horror that lives within? Waking or sleeping, I see a wreck, And hear a cry from a reeling deck! Hate me and curse me,--I only dread The hand of God and the face of the dead!" Said old Floyd Ireson, for his hard heart, Tarred and feathered and carried in a cart By the women of Marblehead! Then the wife of the skipper lost at sea Said, "God has touched him! Why should we?" Said an old wife, mourning her only son: "Cut the rogue's tether and let him run!" So with soft relentings and rude excuse, Half scorn, half pity, they cut him loose, And gave him a cloak to hide him in, And left him alone with his shame and sin. Poor Floyd Ireson, for his hard heart, Tarred and feathered and carried in a cart By the women of Marblehead! J.G. WHITTIER. The Village Blacksmith. Under a spreading chestnut-tree The village smithy stands; The smith, a mighty man is he, With large and sinewy hands; And the muscles of his brawny arms Are strong as iron bands. His hair is crisp, and black, and long, His face is like the tan; His brow is wet with honest sweat, He earns whate'er he can, And looks the whole world in the face, For he owes not any man. Week in, week out, from morn till night, You can hear his bellows blow; You can hear him swing his heavy sledge, With measured beat and slow, Like a sexton ringing the village bell, When the evening sun is low. And children coming home from school Look in at the open door; They love to see the flaming forge, And hear the bellows roar, And catch the burning sparks that fly Like chaff from a threshing-floor. He goes on Sunday to the church, And sits among his boys; He hears the parson pray and preach, He hears his daughter's voice, Singing in the village choir, And it makes his heart rejoice. It sounds to him like her mother's voice, Singing in Paradise! He needs must think of her once more, How in the grave she lies; And with his hard, rough hand he wipes A tear out of his eyes. Toiling,--rejoicing,--sorrowing, Onward through life he goes; Each morning sees some task begin, Each evening sees it close; Something attempted, something done. Has earned a night's repose. Thanks, thanks to thee, my worthy friend, For the lesson thou hast taught! Thus at the flaming forge of life Our fortunes must be wrought; Thus on its sounding anvil shaped Each burning deed and thought. H.W. LONGFELLOW. The Last Leaf. I saw him once before, As he passed by the door, And again The pavement stones resound, As he totters o'er the ground With his cane. They say that in his prime, Ere the pruning-knife of Time Cut him down, Not a better man was found By the crier on his round Through the town. But now he walks the streets, And he looks at all he meets Sad and wan, And he shakes his feeble head, That it seems as if he said, "They are gone." The mossy marbles rest On the lips that he has pressed In their bloom, And the names he loved to hear Have been carved for many a year On the tomb. My grandmamma has said-- Poor old lady, she is dead Long ago-- That he had a Roman nose, And his cheek was like a rose In the snow. But now his nose is thin, And it rests upon his chin Like a staff, And a crook is in his back, And a melancholy crack In his laugh. I know it is a sin For me to sit and grin At him here; But the old three-cornered hat, And the breeches, and all that, Are so queer! And if I should live to be The last leaf upon the tree In the spring, Let them smile, as I do now, At the old, forsaken bough Where I cling. O.W. HOLMES. The Old Kentucky Home. A NEGRO MELODY. The sun shines bright in the old Kentucky Home; 'Tis summer, the darkies are gay; The corn-top's ripe, and the meadow's in the bloom, While the birds make music all the day. The young folks roll on the little cabin floor, All merry, all happy and bright; By-'n'-by hard times comes a-knocking at the door,-- Then my old Kentucky Home, good-night! Weep no more, my lady, Oh, weep no more to-day! We will sing one song for the old Kentucky Home, For the old Kentucky Home, far away. They hunt no more for the possum and the coon, On the meadow, the hill, and the shore; They sing no more by the glimmer of the moon, On the bench by the old cabin door. The day goes by like a shadow o'er the heart, With sorrow, where all was delight; The time has come when the darkies have to part,-- Then my old Kentucky Home, good-night! The head must bow, and the back will have to bend, Wherever the darkey may go; A few more days, and the trouble all will end, In the field where the sugar-canes grow. A few more days for to tote the weary load,-- No matter, 'twill never be light; A few more days till we totter on the road,-- Then my old Kentucky Home, good-night! Weep no more, my lady, Oh, weep no more to-day! We will sing one song for the old Kentucky Home, For the old Kentucky Home, far away. S.C. FOSTER. The Black Regiment. Port Hudson, May 27, 1863. Dark as the clouds of even, Ranked in the western heaven, Waiting the breath that lifts All the dread mass, and drifts Tempest and falling brand Over a ruined land;-- So still and orderly, Arm to arm, knee to knee, Waiting the great event, Stands the black regiment. Down the long, dusky line Teeth gleam, and eyeballs shine; And the bright bayonet, Bristling and firmly set, Flashed with a purpose grand, Long ere the sharp command Of the fierce rolling drum Told them their time had come, Told them what work was sent For the black regiment. "Now," the flag-sergeant cried, "Though death and hell betide, Let the whole nation see If we are fit to be Free in this land; or bound Down, like the whining hound,-- Bound with red stripes of pain In our old chains again!" Oh, what a shout there went From the black regiment! "Charge!" Trump and drum awoke, Onward the bondmen broke; Bayonet and sabre-stroke Vainly opposed their rush. Through the wild battle's crush, With but one thought aflush, Driving their lords like chaff, In the guns' mouths they laugh; Or at the slippery brands Leaping with open hands, Down they tear man and horse, Down in their awful course; Trampling with bloody heel Over the crashing steel, All their eyes forward bent, Rushed the black regiment. "Freedom!" their battle-cry,-- "Freedom! or leave to die!" Ah! and they meant the word, Not as with us 'tis heard, Not a mere party shout; They gave their spirits out, Trusted the end to God, And on the gory sod Rolled in triumphant blood. Glad to strike one free blow, Whether for weal or woe; Glad to breathe one free breath, Though on the lips of death; Praying--alas! in vain!-- That they might fall again, So they could once more see That burst to liberty! This was what "freedom" lent To the black regiment. Hundreds on hundreds fell; But they are resting well; Scourges and shackles strong Never shall do them wrong. Oh, to the living few, Soldiers, be just and true! Hail them as comrades tried; Fight with them side by side; Never, in field or tent, Scorn the black regiment. G.H. BOKER. Carolina. The despot treads thy sacred sands, Thy pines give shelter to his bands, Thy sons stand by with idle hands, Carolina! He breathes at ease thy airs of balm, He scorns the lances of thy palm; Oh! who shall break thy craven calm, Carolina! Thy ancient fame is growing dim, A spot is on thy garment's rim; Give to the winds thy battle-hymn, Carolina! Call on thy children of the hill, Wake swamp and river, coast and rill, Rouse all thy strength and all thy skill, Carolina! Cite wealth and science, trade and art, Touch with thy fire the cautious mart, And pour thee through the people's heart, Carolina! Till even the coward spurns his fears, And all thy fields, and fens, and meres Shall bristle like thy palm with spears, Carolina! I hear a murmur as of waves That grope their way through sunless caves, Like bodies struggling in their graves, Carolina! And now it deepens; slow and grand It swells, as, rolling to the land, An ocean broke upon thy strand, Carolina! Shout! Let it reach the startled Huns! And roar with all thy festal guns! It is the answer of thy sons, Carolina! H. TIMROD. Dirge for a Soldier. Close his eyes; his work is done! What to him is friend or foeman, Rise of moon, or set of sun, Hand of man, or kiss of woman? Lay him low, lay him low, In the clover or the snow! What cares he? He cannot know; Lay him low! As man may, he fought his fight, Proved his truth by his endeavor; Let him sleep in solemn night, Sleep forever and forever. Lay him low, lay him low, In the clover or the snow! What cares he? He cannot know; Lay him low! Fold him in his country's stars, Roll the drum and fire the volley! What to him are all our wars, What but death bemocking folly? Lay him low, lay him low, In the clover or the snow! What cares he? He cannot know; Lay him low! Leave him to God's watching eye; Trust him to the hand that made him. Mortal love weeps idly by; God alone has power to aid him. Lay him low, lay him low, In the clover or the snow! What cares he? He cannot know! Lay him low! G.H. BOKER. Battle-hymn of the Republic. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fatal lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on. I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps; They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on. I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel! Since God is marching on." He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat; Oh! be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on. In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born, across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on. J.W. HOWE. Farragut. Farragut, Farragut, Old Heart of Oak, Daring Dave Farragut, Thunderbolt stroke, Watches the hoary mist Lift from the bay, Till his flag, glory-kissed, Greets the young day. Far, by gray Morgan's walls, Looms the black fleet. Hark, deck to rampart calls With the drums' beat! Buoy your chains overboard, While the steam hums; Men! to the battlement, Farragut comes. See, as the hurricane Hurtles in wrath Squadrons of clouds amain Back from its path! Back to the parapet, To the guns' lips, Thunderbolt Farragut Hurls the black ships. Now through the battle's roar Clear the boy sings, "By the mark fathoms four," While his lead swings. Steady the wheelmen five "Nor' by east keep her," "Steady," but two alive: How the shells sweep her! Lashed to the mast that sways Over red decks, Over the flame that plays Round the torn wrecks, Over the dying lips Framed for a cheer, Farragut leads his ships, Guides the line clear. On by heights cannon-browed, While the spars quiver; Onward still flames the cloud Where the hulks shiver. See, yon fort's star is set, Storm and fire past. Cheer him, lads,--Farragut, Lashed to the mast! Oh! while Atlantic's breast Bears a white sail, While the Gulf's towering crest Tops a green vale; Men thy bold deeds shall tell, Old Heart of Oak, Daring Dave Farragut, Thunderbolt stroke! W.T. MEREDITH. My Maryland. The despot's heel is on thy shore, Maryland! His torch is at thy temple door, Maryland! Avenge the patriotic gore That flecked the streets of Baltimore, And be the battle-queen of yore, Maryland, my Maryland! Hark to an exiled son's appeal, Maryland! My Mother State, to thee I kneel, Maryland! For life and death, for woe and weal, Thy peerless chivalry reveal, And gird thy beauteous limbs with steel, Maryland, my Maryland! Thou wilt not cower in the dust, Maryland! Thy beaming sword shall never rust, Maryland! Remember Carroll's sacred trust, Remember Howard's warlike thrust, And all thy slumberers with the just, Maryland, my Maryland! Come! 'tis the red dawn of the day, Maryland! Come with thy panoplied array, Maryland! With Ringgold's spirit for the fray, With Watson's blood at Monterey, With fearless Lowe and dashing May, Maryland, my Maryland! Dear Mother, burst the tyrant's chain, Maryland! Virginia should not call in vain, Maryland! She meets her sisters on the plain,-- _"Sic semper!"_ 'tis the proud refrain That baffles minions back amain, Maryland! Arise in majesty again, Maryland, my Maryland! Come! for thy shield is bright and strong, Maryland! Come! for thy dalliance does thee wrong, Maryland! Come to thine own heroic throng Stalking with Liberty along, And chant thy dauntless slogan-song, Maryland, my Maryland! I see the blush upon thy cheek, Maryland! For thou wast ever bravely meek, Maryland! But lo! there surges forth a shriek, From hill to hill, from creek to creek, Potomac calls to Chesapeake, Maryland, my Maryland! Thou wilt not yield the Vandal toll, Maryland! Thou wilt not crook to his control, Maryland! Better the fire upon thee roll, Better the shot, the blade, the bowl, Than crucifixion of the soul, Maryland, my Maryland! I hear the distant thunder-hum, Maryland! The old Line's bugle, fife, and drum, Maryland! She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb; Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum! She breathes! She burns! She'll come! She'll come! Maryland, my Maryland! J.R. RANDALL. After All.[1] The apples are ripe in the orchard, The work of the reaper is done, And the golden woodlands redden In the blood of the dying sun. At the cottage door the grandsire Sits, pale, in his easy-chair, While a gentle wind of twilight Plays with his silver hair. A woman is kneeling beside him; A fair young head is prest, In the first wild passion of sorrow, Against his aged breast. And far from over the distance The faltering echoes come, Of the flying blast of trumpet, And the rattling roll of drum. And the grandsire speaks in a whisper: "The end no man can see; But we give him to his country, And we give our prayers to Thee." * * * * * The violets star the meadows, The rose-buds fringe the door, And over the grassy orchard The pink-white blossoms pour. But the grandsire's chair is empty, The cottage is dark and still, There's a nameless grave in the battle-field, And a new one under the hill. And a pallid, tearless woman By the cold hearth sits alone, And the old clock in the corner Ticks on with a steady drone. WILLIAM WINTER. [1] From "Wanderers," copyright, 1892, by Macmillan and Co. The Song of the Camp. "Give us a song!" the soldiers cried, The outer trenches guarding, When the heated guns of the camps allied Grew weary of bombarding. The dark Redan, in silent scoff, Lay grim and threatening under; And the tawny mound of the Malakoff No longer belch'd its thunder. There was a pause. A guardsman said: "We storm the forts to-morrow; Sing while we may, another day Will bring enough of sorrow." They lay along the battery's side, Below the smoking cannon: Brave hearts from Severn and from Clyde, And from the banks of Shannon. They sang of love, and not of fame; Forgot was Britain's glory: Each heart recall'd a different name, But all sang "Annie Laurie." Voice after voice caught up the song, Until its tender passion Rose like an anthem, rich and strong,-- Their battle-eve confession. Dear girl, her name he dared not speak, But as the song grew louder, Something upon the soldier's cheek Washed off the stains of powder. Beyond the darkening ocean burn'd The bloody sunset's embers, While the Crimean valleys learn'd How English love remembers. And once again a fire of hell Rain'd on the Russian quarters, With scream of shot, and burst of shell, And bellowing of the mortars! And Irish Nora's eyes are dim For a singer dumb and gory; And English Mary mourns for him Who sang of "Annie Laurie." Sleep, soldiers! still in honor'd rest Your truth and valor wearing: The bravest are the tenderest,-- The loving are the daring. B. TAYLOR. In the Hospital. I lay me down to sleep, With little thought or care Whether my waking find Me here or there. A bowing, burdened head, That only asks to rest, Unquestioning, upon A loving breast. My good right hand forgets Its cunning now. To march the weary march I know not how. I am not eager, bold, Nor strong--all that is past; I am ready not to do At last, at last. My half day's work is done, And this is all my part; I give a patient God My patient heart, And grasp His banner still, Though all its blue be dim; These stripes, no less than stars, Lead after Him. M.W. HOWLAND. Under the Violets. Her hands are cold; her face is white; No more her pulses come and go; Her eyes are shut to life and light;-- Fold the white vesture, snow on snow, And lay her where the violets blow. But not beneath a graven stone, To plead for tears with alien eyes; A slender cross of wood alone Shall say, that here a maiden lies In peace beneath the peaceful skies. And gray old trees of hugest limb Shall wheel their circling shadows round To make the scorching sunlight dim That drinks the greenness from the ground, And drop their dead leaves on her mound. When o'er their boughs the squirrels run, And through their leaves the robins call, And, ripening in the autumn sun, The acorns and the chestnuts fall, Doubt not that she will heed them all. For her the morning choir shall sing Its matins from the branches high, And every minstrel voice of Spring, That trills beneath the April sky, Shall greet her with its earliest cry. When, turning round their dial-track, Eastward the lengthening shadows pass, Her little mourners, clad in black, The crickets, sliding through the grass, Shall pipe for her an evening mass. At last the rootlets of the trees Shall find the prison where she lies, And bear the buried dust they seize In leaves and blossoms to the skies. So may the soul that warmed it rise! If any, born of kindlier blood, Should ask, What maiden lies below? Say only this: A tender bud, That tried to blossom in the snow, Lies withered where the violets blow. O.W. HOLMES. Days. Daughters of Time, the hypocritic Days, Muffled and dumb like barefoot dervishes, And marching single in an endless file, Bring diadems and fagots in their hands. To each they offer gifts after his will, Bread, kingdoms, stars, and sky that holds them all. I, in my pleachèd garden, watched the pomp, Forgot my morning wishes, hastily Took a few herbs and apples, and the Day Turned and departed silent. I, too late, Under her solemn fillet saw the scorn. R.W. EMERSON. Song.[2] You know the old Hidalgo (His box is next to ours), Who threw the Prima Donna The wreath of orange-flowers; He owns the half of Aragon, With mines beyond the main; A very ancient nobleman, And gentleman of Spain. They swear that I must wed him, In spite of yea or nay, Though uglier than the Scaramouch, The spectre in the play; But I will sooner die a maid Than wear a gilded chain, For all the ancient noblemen And gentlemen of Spain! R.H. STODDARD. [2] From "The Poems of R.H. Stoddard," copyright, 1880, by Charles Scribner's Sons. Aladdin. When I was a beggarly boy, And lived in a cellar damp, I had not a friend nor a toy, But I had Aladdin's lamp; When I could not sleep for cold, I had fire enough in my brain, And builded, with roofs of gold, My beautiful castles in Spain! Since then I have toiled day and night, I have money and power good store, But I'd give all my lamps of silver bright, For the one that is mine no more; Take, Fortune, whatever you choose,-- You gave, and may snatch again; I have nothing 'twould pain me to lose, For I own no more castles in Spain! J.R. LOWELL. The Flight of Youth.[3] There are gains for all our losses, There are balms for all our pain; But when youth, the dream, departs, It takes something from our hearts, And it never comes again. We are stronger, and are better, Under manhood's sterner reign; Still, we feel that something sweet Followed youth, with flying feet, And will never come again. Something beautiful is vanished, And we sigh for it in vain; We behold it everywhere, On the earth, and in the air, But it never comes again. R.H. STODDARD. [3] From "The Poems of R.H. Stoddard," copyright, 1880, by Charles Scribner's Sons. My Playmate. The pines were dark on Ramoth hill, Their song was soft and low; The blossoms in the sweet May wind Were falling like the snow. The blossoms drifted at our feet, The orchard birds sang clear; The sweetest and the saddest day It seemed of all the year. For, more to me than birds or flowers, My playmate left her home, And took with her the laughing spring, The music and the bloom. She kissed the lips of kith and kin, She laid her hand in mine: What more could ask the bashful boy Who fed her father's kine? She left us in the bloom of May: The constant years told o'er Their seasons with as sweet May morns, But she came back no more. I walk, with noiseless feet, the round Of uneventful years; Still o'er and o'er I sow the spring And reap the autumn ears. She lives where all the golden year Her summer roses blow; The dusky children of the sun Before her come and go. There haply with her jewelled hands She smooths her silken gown,-- No more the homespun lap wherein I shook the walnuts down. The wild grapes wait us by the brook, The brown nuts on the hill, And still the May-day flowers make sweet The woods of Follymill. The lilies blossom in the pond, The bird builds in the tree, The dark pines sing on Ramoth hill The slow song of the sea. I wonder if she thinks of them, And how the old time seems, If ever the pines of Ramoth wood Are sounding in her dreams. I see her face, I hear her voice: Does she remember mine? And what to her is now the boy Who fed her father's kine? What cares she that the orioles build For other eyes than ours,-- That other hands with nuts are filled, And other laps with flowers? O playmate in the golden time! Our mossy seat is green, Its fringing violets blossom yet, The old trees o'er it lean. The winds so sweet with birch and fern A sweeter memory blow; And there in spring the veeries sing The song of long ago. And still the pines of Ramoth wood Are moaning like the sea,-- The moaning of the sea of change Between myself and thee! J.G. WHITTIER. The Fire of Driftwood. DEVEREUX FARM, NEAR MARBLEHEAD. We sat within the farmhouse old, Whose windows, looking o'er the bay, Gave to the sea-breeze, damp and cold, An easy entrance, night and day. Not far away we saw the port, The strange, old-fashioned, silent town, The lighthouse, the dismantled fort, The wooden houses, quaint and brown. We sat and talked until the night, Descending, filled the little room; Our faces faded from the sight, Our voices only broke the gloom. We spake of many a vanished scene, Of what we once had thought and said, Of what had been, and might have been, And who was changed, and who was dead; And all that fills the hearts of friends, When first they feel, with secret pain, Their lives thenceforth have separate ends, And never can be one again; The first slight swerving of the heart, That words are powerless to express, And leave it still unsaid in part, Or say it in too great excess. The very tones in which we spake Had something strange, I could but mark; The leaves of memory seemed to make A mournful rustling in the dark. Oft died the words upon our lips, As suddenly, from out the fire Built of the wreck of stranded ships, The flames would leap and then expire. And, as their splendor flashed and failed, We thought of wrecks upon the main, Of ships dismasted, that were hailed And sent no answer back again. The windows, rattling in their frames, The ocean, roaring up the beach, The gusty blast, the bickering flames, All mingled vaguely in our speech; Until they made themselves a part Of fancies floating through the brain, The long-lost ventures of the heart, That send no answers back again. O flames that glowed! O hearts that yearned! They were indeed too much akin, The driftwood fire without that burned, The thoughts that burned and glowed within. H.W. LONGFELLOW. A Death-bed. Her suffering ended with the day, Yet lived she at its close, And breathed the long, long night away In statue-like repose. But when the sun in all his state Illumed the eastern skies, She passed through Glory's morning gate And walked in Paradise. J. ALDRICH. Telling the Bees. Here is the place; right over the hill Runs the path I took; You can see the gap in the old wall still, And the stepping-stones in the shallow brook. There is the house, with the gate red-barred, And the poplars tall; And the barn's brown length, and the cattle-yard, And the white horns tossing above the wall. There are the beehives ranged in the sun; And down by the brink Of the brook are her poor flowers, weed-o'errun,-- Pansy and daffodil, rose and pink. A year has gone, as the tortoise goes, Heavy and slow; And the same rose blows, and the same sun glows, And the same brook sings of a year ago. There's the same sweet clover-smell in the breeze; And the June sun warm Tangles his wings of fire in the trees, Setting, as then, over Fernside farm. I mind me how with a lover's care From my Sunday coat I brushed off the burrs, and smoothed my hair, And cooled at the brookside my brow and throat. Since we parted, a month had passed,-- To love, a year; Down through the beeches I looked at last On the little red gate and the well-sweep near. I can see it all now,--the slantwise rain Of light through the leaves, The sundown's blaze on her window-pane, The bloom of her roses under the eaves. Just the same as a month before,-- The house and the trees, The barn's brown gable, the vine by the door,-- Nothing changed but the hives of bees. Before them, under the garden wall, Forward and back, Went, drearily singing, the chore-girl small, Draping each hive with a shred of black. Trembling, I listened; the summer sun Had the chill of snow; For I knew she was telling the bees of one Gone on the journey we all must go! Then I said to myself, "My Mary weeps For the dead to-day; Haply her blind old grandsire sleeps The fret and the pain of his age away." But her dog whined low; on the doorway sill, With his cane to his chin, The old man sat; and the chore-girl still Sung to the bees stealing out and in. And the song she was singing ever since In my ear sounds on: "Stay at home, pretty bees, fly not hence! Mistress Mary is dead and gone!" J.G. WHITTIER. Katie. It may be through some foreign grace, And unfamiliar charm of face; It may be that across the foam Which bore her from her childhood's home, By some strange spell, my Katie brought Along with English creeds and thought-- Entangled in her golden hair-- Some English sunshine, warmth, and air! I cannot tell,--but here to-day, A thousand billowy leagues away From that green isle whose twilight skies No darker are than Katie's eyes, She seems to me, go where she will, An English girl in England still! I meet her on the dusty street, And daisies spring about her feet; Or, touched to life beneath her tread, An English cowslip lifts its head; And, as to do her grace, rise up The primrose and the buttercup! I roam with her through fields of cane, And seem to stroll an English lane, Which, white with blossoms of the May, Spreads its green carpet in her way! As fancy wills, the path beneath Is golden gorse, or purple heath; And now we hear in woodlands dim Their unarticulated hymn, Now walk through rippling waves of wheat, Now sink in mats of clover sweet, Or see before us from the lawn The lark go up to greet the dawn! All birds that love the English sky Throng round my path when she is by; The blackbird from a neighboring thorn With music brims the cup of morn, And in a thick, melodious rain The mavis pours her mellow strain! But only when my Katie's voice Makes all the listening woods rejoice I hear--with cheeks that flush and pale-- The passion of the nightingale! H. TIMROD. My Love. Not as all other women are Is she that to my soul is dear; Her glorious fancies come from far, Beneath the silver evening-star, And yet her heart is ever near. Great feelings hath she of her own, Which lesser souls may never know; God giveth them to her alone, And sweet they are as any tone Wherewith the wind may choose to blow. Yet in herself she dwelleth not, Although no home were half so fair; No simplest duty is forgot; Life hath no dim and lowly spot That doth not in her sunshine share. She doeth little kindnesses, Which most leave undone, or despise; For naught that sets one heart at ease, And giveth happiness or peace, Is low-esteemèd in her eyes. She hath no scorn of common things, And, though she seem of other birth, Round us her heart intwines and clings, And patiently she folds her wings To tread the humble paths of earth. Blessing she is; God made her so, And deeds of week-day holiness Fall from her noiseless as the snow, Nor hath she ever chanced to know That aught were easier than to bless. She is most fair, and thereunto Her life doth rightly harmonize; Feeling or thought that was not true Ne'er made less beautiful the blue Unclouded heaven of her eyes. She is a woman; one in whom The spring-time of her childish years Hath never lost its fresh perfume, Though knowing well that life hath room For many blights and many tears. I love her with a love as still As a broad river's peaceful might, Which, by high tower and lowly mill, Goes wandering at its own will, And yet doth ever flow aright. And, on its full, deep breast serene, Like quiet isles my duties lie; It flows around them and between, And makes them fresh, and fair, and green, Sweet homes wherein to live and die. J.R. LOWELL. She Came and Went. As a twig trembles, which a bird Lights on to sing, then leaves unbent, So is my memory thrilled and stirred;-- I only know she came and went. As clasps some lake, by gusts unriven, The blue dome's measureless content, So my soul held that moment's heaven;-- I only know she came and went. As, at one bound, our swift spring heaps The orchards full of bloom and scent, So clove her May my wintry sleeps;-- I only know she came and went. An angel stood and met my gaze, Through the low doorway of my tent; The tent is struck, the vision stays;-- I only know she came and went. Oh, when the room grows slowly dim, And life's last oil is nearly spent, One gush of light these eyes will brim, Only to think she came and went. J.R. LOWELL. Her Epitaph. The handful here, that once was Mary's earth, Held, while it breathed, so beautiful a soul, That, when she died, all recognized her birth, And had their sorrow in serene control. "Not here! not here!" to every mourner's heart The wintry wind seemed whispering round her bier; And when the tomb-door opened, with a start We heard it echoed from within,--"Not here!" Shouldst thou, sad pilgrim, who mayst hither pass, Note in these flowers a delicater hue, Should spring come earlier to this hallowed grass, Or the bee later linger on the dew,-- Know that her spirit to her body lent Such sweetness, grace, as only goodness can; That even her dust, and this her monument, Have yet a spell to stay one lonely man, Lonely through life, but looking for the day When what is mortal of himself shall sleep, When human passion shall have passed away, And Love no longer be a thing to weep. T.W. PARSONS. Apart. At sea are tossing ships; On shore are dreaming shells, And the waiting heart and the loving lips, Blossoms and bridal bells. At sea are sails a-gleam; On shore are longing eyes, And the far horizon's haunting dream Of ships that sail the skies. At sea are masts that rise Like spectres from the deep; On shore are the ghosts of drowning cries That cross the waves of sleep. At sea are wrecks a-strand; On shore are shells that moan, Old anchors buried in barren sand, Sea-mist and dreams alone. J.J. PIATT. The Discoverer. I have a little kinsman Whose earthly summers are but three, And yet a voyager is he Greater than Drake or Frobisher, Than all their peers together! He is a brave discoverer, And, far beyond the tether Of them who seek the frozen Pole, Has sailed where the noiseless surges roll. Ay, he has travelled whither A winged pilot steered his bark Through the portals of the dark, Past hoary Mimir's well and tree, Across the unknown sea. Suddenly, in his fair young hour, Came one who bore a flower, And laid it in his dimpled hand With this command: "Henceforth thou art a rover! Thou must make a voyage far, Sail beneath the evening star, And a wondrous land discover." --With his sweet smile innocent Our little kinsman went. Since that time no word From the absent has been heard. Who can tell How he fares, or answer well What the little one has found Since he left us, outward bound? Would that he might return! Then should we learn From the pricking of his chart How the skyey roadways part. Hush! does not the baby this way bring, To lay beside this severed curl, Some starry offering Of chrysolite or pearl? Ah, no! not so! We may follow on his track, But he comes not back. And yet I dare aver He is a brave discoverer Of climes his elders do not know. He has more learning than appears On the scroll of twice three thousand years, More than in the groves is taught, Or from furthest Indies brought; He knows, perchance, how spirits fare,-- What shapes the angels wear, What is their guise and speech In those lands beyond our reach,-- And his eyes behold Things that shall never, never be to mortal hearers told. E.C. STEDMAN. At Last.[4] When first the bride and bridegroom wed, They love their single selves the best; A sword is in the marriage bed, Their separate slumbers are not rest. They quarrel, and make up again, They give and suffer worlds of pain. Both right and wrong, They struggle long, Till some good day, when they are old, Some dark day, when the bells are tolled, Death having taken their best of life, They lose themselves, and find each other; They know that they are husband, wife, For, weeping, they are Father, Mother! R.H. STODDARD. [4] From "The Poems of R.H. Stoddard," copyright 1880, by Charles Scribner's Sons. "Thalatta." CRY OF THE TEN THOUSAND. I stand upon the summit of my years. Behind, the toil, the camp, the march, the strife, The wandering and the desert; vast, afar, Beyond this weary way, behold! the Sea! The sea o'erswept by clouds and winds and wings, By thoughts and wishes manifold, whose breath Is freshness and whose mighty pulse is peace. Palter no question of the dim Beyond; Cut loose the bark; such voyage itself is rest; Majestic motion, unimpeded scope, A widening heaven, a current without care. Eternity!--Deliverance, Promise, Course! Time-tired souls salute thee from the shore. J.B. BROWN. Gondolieds. I. YESTERDAY. Dear yesterday, glide not so fast; Oh, let me cling To thy white garments floating past; Even to shadows which they cast I cling, I cling. Show me thy face Just once, once more; a single night Cannot have brought a loss, a blight Upon its grace. Nor are they dead whom thou dost bear, Robed for the grave. See what a smile their red lips wear; To lay them living wilt thou dare Into a grave? I know, I know, I left thee first; now I repent; I listen now; I never meant To have thee go. Just once, once more, tell me the word Thou hadst for me! Alas! although my heart was stirred, I never fully knew or heard It was for me. O yesterday, My yesterday, thy sorest pain Were joy couldst thou but come again,-- Sweet yesterday. _Venice, May 26._ II. TO-MORROW. All red with joy the waiting west, O little swallow, Couldst thou tell me which road is best? Cleaving high air with thy soft breast For keel, O swallow, Thou must o'erlook My seas and know if I mistake; I would not the same harbor make Which yesterday forsook. I hear the swift blades dip and plash Of unseen rowers; On unknown land the waters dash; Who knows how it be wise or rash To meet the rowers! Premì! Premì! Venetia's boatmen lean and cry; With voiceless lips I drift and lie Upon the twilight sea. The swallow sleeps. Her last low call Had sound of warning. Sweet little one, whate'er befall, Thou wilt not know that it was all In vain thy warning. I may not borrow A hope, a help. I close my eyes; Cold wind blows from the Bridge of Sighs; Kneeling I wait to-morrow. _Venice, May 30._ H.H. JACKSON. In the Twilight. Men say the sullen instrument That, from the Master's bow, With pangs of joy or woe, Feels music's soul through every fibre sent, Whispers the ravished strings More than he knew or meant; Old summers in its memory glow; The secrets of the wind it sings; It hears the April-loosened springs; And mixes with its mood All it dreamed when it stood In the murmurous pine-wood Long ago! The magical moonlight then Steeped every bough and cone; The roar of the brook in the glen Came dim from the distance blown; The wind through its glooms sang low, And it swayed to and fro With delight as it stood, In the wonderful wood, Long ago! O my life, have we not had seasons That only said, "Live and rejoice?" That asked not for causes and reasons, But made us all feeling and voice? When we went with the winds in their blowing, When Nature and we were peers, And we seemed to share in the flowing Of the inexhaustible years? Have we not from the earth drawn juices Too fine for earth's sordid uses? Have I heard, have I seen All I feel and I know? Doth my heart overween? Or could it have been Long ago? Sometimes a breath floats by me, An odor from Dreamland sent, That makes the ghost seem nigh me Of a splendor that came and went, Of a life lived somewhere, I know not In what diviner sphere, Of memories that stay not and go not, Like music heard once by an ear That cannot forget or reclaim it, A something so shy, it would shame it To make it a show, A something too vague, could I name it, For others to know, As if I had lived it or dreamed it, As if I had acted or schemed it, Long ago! And yet, could I live it over, This life that stirs in my brain, Could I be both maiden and lover, Moon and tide, bee and clover, As I seem to have been, once again, Could I but speak and show it, This pleasure more sharp than pain, That baffles and lures me so, The world should not lack a poet, Such as it had In the ages glad, Long ago! J.R. LOWELL. The Tide Rises, the Tide Falls. The tide rises, the tide falls, The twilight darkens, the curlew calls; Along the sea-sands damp and brown The traveller hastens toward the town, And the tide rises, the tide falls. Darkness settles on roofs and walls, But the sea in the darkness calls and calls; The little waves, with their soft, white hands, Efface the footprints in the sands, And the tide rises, the tide falls. The morning breaks; the steeds in their stalls Stamp and neigh, as the hostler calls; The day returns, but nevermore Returns the traveller to the shore, And the tide rises, the tide falls. H.W. LONGFELLOW. The Fall of the Leaf. The evening of the year draws on, The fields a later aspect wear; Since Summer's garishness is gone, Some grains of night tincture the noontide air. Behold! the shadows of the trees Now circle wider 'bout their stem, Like sentries that by slow degrees Perform their rounds, gently protecting them. And as the year doth decline, The sun allows a scantier light; Behind each needle of the pine There lurks a small auxiliar to the night. I hear the cricket's slumbrous lay Around, beneath me, and on high; It rocks the night, it soothes the day, And everywhere is Nature's lullaby. But most he chirps beneath the sod, When he has made his winter bed; His creak grown fainter but more broad, A film of Autumn o'er the Summer spread. Small birds, in fleets migrating by, Now beat across some meadow's bay, And as they tack and veer on high, With faint and hurried click beguile the way. Far in the woods, these golden days, Some leaf obeys its Maker's call; And through their hollow aisles it plays With delicate touch the prelude of the Fall. Gently withdrawing from its stem, It lightly lays itself along Where the same hand hath pillowed them, Resigned to sleep upon the old year's throng. The loneliest birch is brown and sere, The furthest pool is strewn with leaves, Which float upon their watery bier, Where is no eye that sees, no heart that grieves. The jay screams through the chestnut wood; The crisped and yellow leaves around Are hue and texture of my mood,-- And these rough burrs my heirlooms on the ground. The threadbare trees, so poor and thin,-- They are no wealthier than I; But with as brave a core within They rear their boughs to the October sky. Poor knights they are which bravely wait The charge of Winter's cavalry, Keeping a simple Roman state, Discumbered of their Persian luxury. H.D. THOREAU. The Rhodora. ON BEING ASKED, WHENCE IS THE FLOWER? In May, when sea-winds pierced our solitudes, I found the fresh Rhodora in the woods, Spreading its leafless blooms in a damp nook, To please the desert and the sluggish brook. The purple petals, fallen in the pool, Made the black water with their beauty gay; Here might the red-bird come his plumes to cool, And court the flower that cheapens his array. Rhodora! if the sages ask thee why This charm is wasted on the earth and sky, Tell them, dear, that if eyes were made for seeing, Then Beauty is its own excuse for being: Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose! I never thought to ask, I never knew: But, in my simple ignorance, suppose The self-same Power that brought me there brought you. R.W. EMERSON. Nature. O nature! I do not aspire To be the highest in thy quire,-- To be a meteor in the sky, Or comet that may range on high; Only a zephyr that may blow Among the reeds by the river low; Give me thy most privy place Where to run my airy race. In some withdrawn, unpublic mead Let me sigh upon a reed, Or in the woods, with leafy din, Whisper the still evening in. Some still work give me to do,-- Only--be it near to you! For I'd rather be thy child And pupil, in the forest wild, Than be the king of men elsewhere, And most sovereign slave of care. H.D. THOREAU. My Strawberry. O marvel, fruit of fruits, I pause To reckon thee. I ask what cause Set free so much of red from heats At core of earth, and mixed such sweets With sour and spice: what was that strength Which out of darkness, length by length, Spun all thy shining thread of vine, Netting the fields in bond as thine. I see thy tendrils drink by sips From grass and clover's smiling lips; I hear thy roots dig down for wells, Tapping the meadow's hidden cells; Whole generations of green things, Descended from long lines of springs, I see make room for thee to bide A quiet comrade by their side; I see the creeping peoples go Mysterious journeys to and fro, Treading to right and left of thee, Doing thee homage wonderingly. I see the wild bees as they fare, Thy cups of honey drink, but spare. I mark thee bathe and bathe again In sweet uncalendared spring rain. I watch how all May has of sun Makes haste to have thy ripeness done, While all her nights let dews escape To set and cool thy perfect shape. Ah, fruit of fruits, no more I pause To dream and seek thy hidden laws! I stretch my hand and dare to taste, In instant of delicious waste On single feast, all things that went To make the empire thou hast spent. H.H. JACKSON. The Humble-bee. Burly, dozing humble-bee, Where thou art is clime for me. Let them sail for Porto Rique, Far-off heats through seas to seek; I will follow thee alone, Thou animated torrid-zone! Zigzag steerer, desert cheerer, Let me chase thy waving lines; Keep me nearer, me thy hearer, Singing over shrubs and vines. Insect lover of the sun, Joy of thy dominion! Sailor of the atmosphere; Swimmer through the waves of air; Voyager of light and noon; Epicurean of June; Wait, I prithee, till I come Within earshot of thy hum,-- All without is martyrdom. When the south wind, in May days, With a net of shining haze Silvers the horizon wall, And with softness touching all, Tints the human countenance With a color of romance, And infusing subtle heats, Turns the sod to violets, Thou, in sunny solitudes, Rover of the underwoods, The green silence dost displace With thy mellow, breezy bass. Hot midsummer's petted crone, Sweet to me thy drowsy tone Tells of countless sunny hours, Long days, and solid banks of flowers; Of gulfs of sweetness without bound In Indian wildernesses found; Of Syrian peace, immortal leisure, Firmest cheer, and bird-like pleasure. Aught unsavory or unclean Hath my insect never seen; But violets and bilberry bells, Maple-sap and daffodels, Grass with green flag half-mast high, Succory to match the sky, Columbine with horn of honey, Scented fern, and agrimony, Clover, catchfly, adder's-tongue, And brier-roses, dwelt among; All beside was unknown waste, All was picture as he passed. Wiser far than human seer, Yellow-breeched philosopher! Seeing only what is fair, Sipping only what is sweet, Thou dost mock at fate and care, Leave the chaff, and take the wheat. When the fierce northwestern blast Cools sea and land so far and fast, Thou already slumberest deep; Woe and want thou canst outsleep; Want and woe, which torture us, Thy sleep makes ridiculous. R.W. EMERSON. The Summer Rain. My books I'd fain cast off, I cannot read. 'Twixt every page my thoughts go stray at large Down in the meadow, where is richer feed, And will not mind to hit their proper targe. Plutarch was good, and so was Homer too, Our Shakespeare's life were rich to live again, What Plutarch read, that was not good nor true, Nor Shakespeare's books, unless his books were men. Here while I lie beneath this walnut bough, What care I for the Greeks or for Troy town, If juster battles are enacted now Between the ants upon this hummock's crown? Bid Homer wait till I the issue learn, If red or black the gods will favor most, Or yonder Ajax will the phalanx turn, Struggling to heave some rock against the host. Tell Shakespeare to attend some leisure hour, For now I've business with this drop of dew, And see you not, the clouds prepare a shower,-- I'll meet him shortly when the sky is blue. This bed of herdsgrass and wild oats was spread Last year with nicer skill than monarchs use; A clover tuft is pillow for my head, And violets quite overtop my shoes. And now the cordial clouds have shut all in, And gently swells the wind to say all's well; The scattered drops are falling fast and thin, Some in the pool, some in the flower-bell. I am well drenched upon my bed of oats; But see that globe come rolling down its stem, Now like a lonely planet there it floats, And now it sinks into my garment's hem. Drip, drip the trees for all the country round, And richness rare distills from every bough; The wind alone it is makes every sound, Shaking down crystals on the leaves below. For shame the sun will never show himself, Who could not with his beams e'er melt me so; My dripping locks,--they would become an elf, Who in a beaded coat does gayly go. H.D. THOREAU. To the Dandelion. Dear common flower, that grow'st beside the way, Fringing the dusty road with harmless gold, First pledge of blithesome May, Which children pluck, and, full of pride, uphold, High-hearted buccaneers, o'erjoyed that they An Eldorado in the grass have found, Which not the rich earth's ample round May match in wealth, thou art more dear to me Than all the prouder summer-blooms may be. Gold such as thine ne'er drew the Spanish prow Through the primeval hush of Indian seas, Nor wrinkled the lean brow Of age, to rob the lover's heart of ease; 'Tis the Spring's largess, which she scatters now To rich and poor alike, with lavish hand, Though most hearts never understand To take it at God's value, but pass by The offered wealth with unrewarded eye. Thou art my tropics and mine Italy; To look at thee unlocks a warmer clime; The eyes thou givest me Are in the heart, and heed not space or time: Not in mid June the golden-cuirassed bee Feels a more summer-like warm ravishment In the white lily's breezy tent, His fragrant Sybaris, than I, when first From the dark green thy yellow circles burst. Then think I of deep shadows on the grass, Of meadows where in sun the cattle graze, Where, as the breezes pass, The gleaming rushes lean a thousand ways, Of leaves that slumber in a cloudy mass, Or whiten in the wind, of waters blue That from the distance sparkle through Some woodland gap, and of a sky above, Where one white cloud like a stray lamb doth move. My childhood's earliest thoughts are linked with thee; The sight of thee calls back the robin's song, Who, from the dark old tree Beside the door, sang clearly all day long, And I, secure in childish piety, Listened as if I heard an angel sing With news from heaven, which he could bring Fresh every day to my untainted ears When birds and flowers and I were happy peers. How like a prodigal doth Nature seem, When thou, for all thy gold, so common art! Thou teachest me to deem More sacredly of every human heart, Since each reflects in joy its scanty gleam Of heaven, and could some wondrous secret show, Did we but pay the love we owe, And with a child's undoubting wisdom look On all these living pages of God's book. J.R. LOWELL. The Chambered Nautilus. This is the ship of pearl, which, poets feign, Sails the unshadowed main,-- The venturous bark that flings On the sweet summer wind its purpled wings In gulfs enchanted, where the Siren sings, And coral reefs lie bare, Where the cold sea-maids rise to sun their streaming hair. Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell, As the frail tenant shaped his growing shell, Before thee lies revealed,-- Its irised ceiling rent, its sunless crypt unsealed! Year after year beheld the silent toil That spread his lustrous coil; Still, as the spiral grew, He left the past year's dwelling for the new, Stole with soft step its shining archway through, Built up its idle door, Stretched in his last-found home, and knew the old no more. Thanks for the heavenly message brought by thee, Child of the wandering sea, Cast from her lap, forlorn! From thy dead lips a clearer note is born Than ever Triton blew from wreathèd horn! While on mine ear it rings, Through the deep caves of thought I hear a voice that sings: Build thee more stately mansions, O my soul, As the swift seasons roll! Leave thy low-vaulted past! Let each new temple, nobler than the last, Shut thee from heaven with a dome more vast, Till thou at length art free, Leaving thine outgrown shell by life's unresting sea! O.W. HOLMES. Thought. O messenger, art thou the king, or I? Thou dalliest outside the palace gate Till on thine idle armor lie the late And heavy dews. The morn's bright scornful eye Reminds thee; then, in subtle mockery, Thou smilest at the window where I wait, Who bade thee ride for life. In empty state My days go on, while false hours prophesy Thy quick return; at last, in sad despair, I cease to bid thee, leave thee free as air; When lo, thou stand'st before me glad and fleet, And lay'st undreamed-of treasures at my feet. Ah! messenger, thy royal blood to buy I am too poor. Thou art the king, not I. H.H. JACKSON. Stanzas. Thought is deeper than all speech, Feeling deeper than all thought; Souls to souls can never teach What unto themselves was taught. We are spirits clad in veils: Man by man was never seen; All our deep communing fails To remove the shadowy screen. Heart to heart was never known; Mind with mind did never meet; We are columns left alone Of a temple once complete. Like the stars that gem the sky, Far apart, though seeming near, In our light we scattered lie; All is thus but starlight here. What is social company But a babbling summer stream? What our wise philosophy But the glancing of a dream? Only when the sun of love Melts the scattered stars of thought; Only when we live above What the dim-eyed world hath taught; Only when our souls are fed By the Fount which gave them birth, And by inspiration led, Which they never drew from earth, We, like parted drops of rain Swelling till they meet and run, Shall be all absorbed again, Melting, flowing into one. C.P. CRANCH. Coronation. At the king's gate the subtle noon Wove filmy yellow nets of sun; Into the drowsy snare too soon The guards fell one by one. Through the king's gate, unquestioned then, A beggar went, and laughed, "This brings Me chance, at last, to see if men Fare better, being kings." The king sat bowed beneath his crown, Propping his face with listless hand; Watching the hour-glass sifting down Too slow its shining sand. "Poor man, what wouldst thou have of me?" The beggar turned, and, pitying, Replied, like one in dream, "Of thee, Nothing. I want the king." Uprose the king, and from his head Shook off the crown and threw it by. "O man, thou must have known," he said, "A greater king than I." Through all the gates, unquestioned then, Went king and beggar hand in hand. Whispered the king, "Shall I know when Before _his_ throne I stand?" The beggar laughed. Free winds in haste Were wiping from the king's hot brow The crimson lines the crown had traced. "This is his presence now." At the king's gate the crafty noon Unwove its yellow nets of sun; Out of their sleep in terror soon The guards waked one by one. "Ho here! Ho there! Has no man seen The king?" The cry ran to and fro; Beggar and king, they laughed, I ween, The laugh that free men know. On the king's gate the moss grew gray; The king came not. They called him dead; And made his eldest son one day Slave in his father's stead. H.H. JACKSON. On a Bust of Dante. See, from this counterfeit of him Whom Arno shall remember long, How stern of lineament, how grim, The father was of Tuscan song: There but the burning sense of wrong, Perpetual care and scorn, abide; Small friendship for the lordly throng; Distrust of all the world beside. Faithful if this wan image be, No dream his life was,--but a fight; Could any Beatrice see A lover in that anchorite? To that cold Ghibelline's gloomy sight Who could have guessed the visions came Of Beauty, veiled with heavenly light, In circles of eternal flame? The lips as Cumæ's cavern close, The cheeks with fast and sorrow thin, The rigid front, almost morose, But for the patient hope within, Declare a life whose course hath been Unsullied still, though still severe; Which, through the wavering days of sin, Kept itself icy-chaste and clear. Not wholly such his haggard look When wandering once, forlorn, he strayed, With no companion save his book, To Corvo's hushed monastic shade; Where, as the Benedictine laid His palm upon the convent's guest, The single boon for which he prayed Was peace, that pilgrim's one request. Peace dwells not here,--this rugged face Betrays no spirit of repose; The sullen warrior sole we trace, The marble man of many woes. Such was his mien when first arose The thought of that strange tale divine, When hell he peopled with his foes, The scourge of many a guilty line. War to the last he waged with all The tyrant canker-worms of earth; Baron and duke, in hold and hall, Cursed the dark hour that gave him birth; He used Rome's harlot for his mirth; Plucked bare hypocrisy and crime; But valiant souls of knightly worth Transmitted to the rolls of Time. O Time! whose verdicts mock our own, The only righteous judge art thou; That poor old exile, sad and lone, Is Latium's other Virgil now: Before his name the nations bow; His words are parcel of mankind, Deep in whose hearts, as on his brow, The marks have sunk of Dante's mind. T.W. PARSONS. Pan in Wall Street. A.D. 1867. Just where the Treasury's marble front Looks over Wall Street's mingled nations; Where Jews and Gentiles most are wont To throng for trade and last quotations; Where, hour by hour, the rates of gold Outrival, in the ears of people, The quarter-chimes, serenely tolled From Trinity's undaunted steeple,-- Even there I heard a strange, wild strain Sound high above the modern clamor, Above the cries of greed and gain, The curbstone war, the auction's hammer; And swift, on Music's misty ways, It led, from all this strife for millions, To ancient, sweet-do-nothing days Among the kirtle-robed Sicilians. And as it stilled the multitude, And yet more joyous rose, and shriller, I saw the minstrel, where he stood At ease against a Doric pillar: One hand a droning organ played, The other held a Pan's-pipe (fashioned Like those of old) to lips that made The reeds give out that strain impassioned. 'Twas Pan himself had wandered here A-strolling through this sordid city, And piping to the civic ear The prelude of some pastoral ditty! The demigod had crossed the seas,-- From haunts of shepherd, nymph, and satyr, And Syracusan times,--to these Far shores and twenty centuries later. A ragged cap was on his head; But--hidden thus--there was no doubting That, all with crispy locks o'erspread, His gnarlèd horns were somewhere sprouting; His club-feet, cased in rusty shoes, Were crossed, as on some frieze you see them, And trousers, patched of divers hues, Concealed his crooked shanks beneath them. He filled the quivering reeds with sound, And o'er his mouth their changes shifted, And with his goat's-eyes looked around Where'er the passing current drifted; And soon, as on Trinacrian hills The nymphs and herdsmen ran to hear him, Even now the tradesmen from their tills, With clerks and porters, crowded near him. The bulls and bears together drew From Jauncey Court and New Street Alley, As erst, if pastorals be true, Came beasts from every wooded valley; The random passers stayed to list,-- A boxer Ægon, rough and merry, A Broadway Daphnis, on his tryst With Nais at the Brooklyn Ferry. A one-eyed Cyclops halted long In tattered cloak of army pattern, And Galatea joined the throng,-- A blowsy, apple-vending slattern; While old Silenus staggered out From some new-fangled lunch-house handy, And bade the piper, with a shout, To strike up Yankee Doodle Dandy! A newsboy and a peanut-girl Like little Fauns began to caper: His hair was all in tangled curl, Her tawny legs were bare and taper; And still the gathering larger grew, And gave its pence and crowded nigher, While aye the shepherd-minstrel blew His pipe, and struck the gamut higher. O heart of Nature, beating still With throbs her vernal passion taught her,-- Even here, as on the vine-clad hill, Or by the Arethusan water! New forms may fold the speech, new lands Arise within these ocean-portals, But Music waves eternal wands,-- Enchantress of the souls of mortals! So thought I,--but among us trod A man in blue, with legal baton, And scoffed the vagrant demigod, And pushed him from the step I sat on. Doubting, I mused upon the cry, "Great Pan is dead!"--and all the people Went on their ways:--and clear and high The quarter sounded from the steeple. E.C. STEDMAN. Auspex. My heart, I cannot still it, Nest that had song-birds in it; And when the last shall go, The dreary days, to fill it, Instead of lark or linnet, Shall whirl dead leaves and snow. Had they been swallows only, Without the passion stronger That skyward longs and sings,-- Woe's me, I shall be lonely When I can feel no longer The impatience of their wings! A moment, sweet delusion, Like birds the brown leaves hover; But it will not be long Before their wild confusion Fall wavering down to cover The poet and his song. J.R. LOWELL. Birds.[5] Birds are singing round my window, Tunes the sweetest ever heard, And I hang my cage there daily, But I never catch a bird. So with thoughts my brain is peopled, And they sing there all day long: But they will not fold their pinions In the little cage of Song. R.H. STODDARD. [5] From "The Poems of R.H. Stoddard," copyright, 1880, by Charles Scribner's Sons. Toujours Amour. Prithee tell me, Dimple-Chin, At what age does Love begin? Your blue eyes have scarcely seen Summers three, my fairy queen, But a miracle of sweets, Soft approaches, sly retreats, Show the little archer there, Hidden in your pretty hair; When didst learn a heart to win? Prithee tell me, Dimple-Chin! "Oh!" the rosy lips reply, "I can't tell you if I try. 'Tis so long I can't remember: Ask some younger lass than I!" Tell, oh, tell me, Grizzled-Face, Do your heart and head keep pace? When does hoary Love expire, When do frosts put out the fire? Can its embers burn below All that chill December snow? Care you still soft hands to press, Bonny heads to smooth and bless? When does Love give up the chase? Tell, oh, tell me, Grizzled-Face! "Ah!" the wise old lips reply, "Youth may pass and strength may die; But of Love I can't foretoken: Ask some older sage than I!" E.C. STEDMAN. A Sigh. It was nothing but a rose I gave her,-- Nothing but a rose Any wind might rob of half its savor, Any wind that blows. When she took it from my trembling fingers With a hand as chill,-- Ah, the flying touch upon them lingers, Stays, and thrills them still! Withered, faded, pressed between the pages, Crumpled fold on fold,-- Once it lay upon her breast, and ages Cannot make it old! H.P. SPOFFORD. No More. This is the Burden of the Heart, The Burden that it always bore: We live to love; we meet to part; And part to meet on earth No More: We clasp each other to the heart, And part to meet on earth No More. There is a time for tears to start,-- For dews to fall and larks to soar: The Time for Tears, is when we part To meet upon the earth No More: The Time for Tears, is when we part To meet on this wide earth--No More. B.F. WILLSON. To a Young Girl Dying. WITH A GIFT OF FRESH PALM-LEAVES. This is Palm Sunday: mindful of the day, I bring palm branches, found upon my way: But these will wither; thine shall never die,-- The sacred palms thou bearest to the sky! Dear little saint, though but a child in years, Older in wisdom than my gray compeers! _We_ doubt and tremble,--_we_, with bated breath, Talk of this mystery of life and death: Thou, strong in faith, art gifted to conceive Beyond thy years, and teach us to believe! Then take my palms, triumphal, to thy home, Gentle white palmer, never more to roam! Only, sweet sister, give me, ere thou go'st, Thy benediction,--for my love thou know'st! We, too, are pilgrims, travelling towards the shrine: Pray that our pilgrimage may end like thine! T.W. PARSONS. The Port of Ships.[6] Behind him lay the gray Azores, Behind the Gates of Hercules; Before him not the ghost of shores, Before him only shoreless seas. The good mate said: "Now must we pray, For lo! the very stars are gone. Brave Adm'ral speak,--what shall I say?" "Why, say, 'Sail on! Sail on! and on!'" "My men grow mutinous day by day; My men grow ghastly, wan and weak." The stout mate thought of home; a spray Of salt wave washed his swarthy cheek. "What shall I say, brave Adm'ral, say, If we sight naught but seas at dawn?" "Why, you shall say, at break of day, 'Sail on! Sail on! Sail on! and on!'" They sailed, and sailed, as winds might blow, Until at last the blanched mate said: "Why, now not even God would know Should I and all my men fall dead. These very winds forget their way, For God from these dread seas is gone. Now speak, brave Adm'ral; speak, and say--" He said: "Sail on! Sail on! and on!" They sailed! They sailed! Then spake the mate: "This mad sea shows its teeth to-night; He curls his lip, he lies in wait With lifted teeth, as if to bite! Brave Adm'ral, say but one good word,-- What shall we do when hope is gone?" The words leaped as a leaping sword: "Sail on! Sail on! Sail on! and on!" C.H. MILLER. [6] From The Complete Poetical Works of Joaquin Miller. Paradisi Gloria. There is a city, builded by no hand, And unapproachable by sea or shore, And unassailable by any band Of storming soldiery for evermore. There we no longer shall divide our time By acts or pleasures,--doing petty things Of work or warfare, merchandise or rhyme; But we shall sit beside the silver springs That flow from God's own footstool, and behold Sages and martyrs, and those blessed few Who loved us once and were beloved of old, To dwell with them and walk with them anew, In alternations of sublime repose, Musical motion, the perpetual play Of every faculty that Heaven bestows Through the bright, busy, and eternal day. T.W. PARSONS. Ballad. In the summer even, While yet the dew was hoar, I went plucking purple pansies, Till my love should come to shore. The fishing-lights their dances Were keeping out at sea, And come, I sung, my true love! Come hasten home to me! But the sea, it fell a-moaning, And the white gulls rocked thereon; And the young moon dropped from heaven, And the lights hid one by one. All silently their glances Slipped down the cruel sea, And wait! cried the night and wind and storm,-- Wait, till I come to thee! H.P. SPOFFORD. BOOK THIRD. The Fool's Prayer. The royal feast was done; the King Sought some new sport to banish care, And to his jester cried: "Sir Fool, Kneel now, and make for us a prayer!" The jester doffed his cap and bells, And stood the mocking court before; They could not see the bitter smile Behind the painted grin he wore. He bowed his head, and bent his knee Upon the monarch's silken stool; His pleading voice arose: "O Lord, Be merciful to me, a fool! "No pity, Lord, could change the heart From red with wrong to white as wool; The rod must heal the sin: but, Lord, Be merciful to me, a fool! "'Tis not by guilt the onward sweep Of truth and right, O Lord, we stay; 'Tis by our follies that so long We hold the earth from heaven away. "These clumsy feet, still in the mire, Go crushing blossoms without end; These hard, well-meaning hands we thrust Among the heart-strings of a friend. "The ill-timed truth we might have kept-- Who knows how sharp it pierced and stung? The word we had not sense to say-- Who knows how grandly it had rung? "Our faults no tenderness should ask, The chastening stripes must cleanse them all; But for our blunders--oh, in shame Before the eyes of heaven we fall. "Earth bears no balsam for mistakes; Men crown the knave, and scourge the tool That did his will; but Thou, O Lord, Be merciful to me, a fool!" The room was hushed; in silence rose The King, and sought his gardens cool, And walked apart, and murmured low, "Be merciful to me, a fool!" E.R. SILL. On The Life-mask Of Abraham Lincoln. This bronze doth keep the very form and mold Of our great martyr's face. Yes, this is he: That brow all wisdom, all benignity; That human, humorous mouth; those cheeks that hold Like some harsh landscape all the summer's gold; That spirit fit for sorrow, as the sea For storms to beat on; the lone agony Those silent, patient lips too well foretold. Yes, this is he who ruled a world of men As might some prophet of the elder day,-- Brooding above the tempest and the fray With deep-eyed thought and more than mortal ken. A power was his beyond the touch of art Or armèd strength: his pure and mighty heart. R.W. GILDER. Song. Years have flown since I knew thee first, And I know thee as water is known of thirst: Yet I knew thee of old at the first sweet sight, And thou art strange to me, Love, to-night. R.W. GILDER. To A Dead Woman.[7] Not a kiss in life; but one kiss, at life's end, I have set on the face of Death in trust for thee. Through long years keep it fresh on thy lips, O friend! At the gate of Silence give it back to me. H.C. BUNNER. [7] From "The Poems of H.C. Bunner," copyright, 1884, 1892, 1896, by Charles Scribner's Sons. Destiny. Three roses, wan as moonlight, and weighed down Each with its loveliness as with a crown, Drooped in a florist's window in a town. The first a lover bought. It lay at rest, Like flower on flower, that night, on Beauty's breast. The second rose, as virginal and fair, Shrunk in the tangles of a harlot's hair. The third, a widow, with new grief made wild, Shut in the icy palm of her dead child. T.B. ALDRICH. The Kings. A man said unto his angel: "My spirits are fallen thro', And I cannot carry this battle; O brother! what shall I do? "The terrible Kings are on me, With spears that are deadly bright, Against me so from the cradle Do fate and my fathers fight." Then said to the man his angel: "Thou wavering, foolish soul, Back to the ranks! What matter To win or to lose the whole, "As judged by the little judges Who hearken not well, nor see? Not thus, by the outer issue, The Wise shall interpret thee. "Thy will is the very, the only, The solemn event of things; The weakest of hearts defying Is stronger than all these Kings. "Tho' out of the past they gather, Mind's Doubt and bodily Pain, And pallid Thirst of the Spirit That is kin to the other twain, "And Grief, in a cloud of banners, And ringletted Vain Desires, And Vice with the spoils upon him Of thee and thy beaten sires, "While Kings of eternal evil Yet darken the hills about, Thy part is with broken sabre To rise on the last redoubt; "To fear not sensible failure, Nor covet the game at all, But fighting, fighting, fighting, Die, driven against the wall!" L.I. GUINEY. Triumph.[8] The dawn came in through the bars of the blind,-- And the winter's dawn is gray,-- And said, "However you cheat your mind, The hours are flying away." A ghost of a dawn, and pale, and weak,-- "Has the sun a heart," I said, "To throw a morning flush on the cheek Whence a fairer flush has fled?" As a gray rose-leaf that is fading white Was the cheek where I set my kiss; And on that side of the bed all night Death had watched, and I on this. I kissed her lips, they were half apart, Yet they made no answering sign; Death's hand was on her failing heart, And his eyes said, "She is mine." I set my lips on the blue-veined lid, Half-veiled by her death-damp hair; And oh, for the violet depths it hid And the light I longed for there! Faint day and the fainter life awoke, And the night was overpast; And I said, "Though never in life you spoke Oh, speak with a look at last!" For the space of a heart-beat fluttered her breath, As a bird's wing spread to flee; She turned her weary arms to Death, And the light of her eyes to me. H.C. BUNNER. [8] From "The Poems of H.C. Bunner," copyright, 1884, 1892, 1896, by Charles Scribner's Sons. Evening Song.[9] Look off, dear Love, across the sallow sands, And mark yon meeting of the sun and sea, How long they kiss in sight of all the lands. Ah! longer, longer, we. Now in the sea's red vintage melts the sun, As Egypt's pearl dissolved in rosy wine, And Cleopatra night drinks all. 'Tis done, Love, lay thine hand in mine. Come forth, sweet stars, and comfort heaven's heart; Glimmer, ye waves, round else unlighted sands. O night! divorce our sun and sky apart, Never our lips, our hands. S. LANIER. [9] From "Poems of Sidney Lanier," copyright, 1884, 1891, by Mary D. Lanier, published by Charles Scribner's Sons. "The Woods That Bring the Sunset Near." The wind from out the west is blowing, The homeward-wandering cows are lowing, Dark grow the pine-woods, dark and drear,-- The woods that bring the sunset near. When o'er wide seas the sun declines, Far off its fading glory shines, Far off, sublime, and full of fear,-- The pine-woods bring the sunset near. This house that looks to east, to west, This, dear one, is our home, our rest; Yonder the stormy sea, and here The woods that bring the sunset near. R.W. GILDER. At Night. The sky is dark, and dark the bay below Save where the midnight city's pallid glow Lies like a lily white On the black pool of night. O rushing steamer, hurry on thy way Across the swirling Kills and gusty bay, To where the eddying tide Strikes hard the city's side! For there, between the river and the sea, Beneath that glow,--the lily's heart to me,-- A sleeping mother mild, And by her breast a child. R.W. GILDER. "Still in Thy Love I Trust." Still in thy love I trust, Supreme o'er death, since deathless is thy essence; For, putting off the dust, Thou hast but blest me with a nearer presence. And so, for this, for all, I breathe no selfish plaint, no faithless chiding; On me the snowflakes fall, But thou hast gained a summer all-abiding. Striking a plaintive string, Like some poor harper at a palace portal, I wait without and sing, While those I love glide in and dwell immortal. A.A. FIELDS. The Future. What may we take into the vast Forever? That marble door Admits no fruit of all our long endeavor, No fame-wreathed crown we wore, No garnered lore. What can we bear beyond the unknown portal? No gold, no gains Of all our toiling: in the life immortal No hoarded wealth remains, Nor gilds, nor stains. Naked from out that far abyss behind us We entered here: No word came with our coming, to remind us What wondrous world was near, No hope, no fear. Into the silent, starless Night before us, Naked we glide: No hand has mapped the constellations o'er us, No comrade at our side, No chart, no guide. Yet fearless toward that midnight, black and hollow, Our footsteps fare: The beckoning of a Father's hand we follow-- His love alone is there, No curse, no care. E.R. SILL. Prescience. The new moon hung in the sky, The sun was low in the west, And my betrothed and I In the churchyard paused to rest-- Happy maiden and lover, Dreaming the old dream over: The light winds wandered by, And robins chirped from the nest. And lo! in the meadow-sweet Was the grave of a little child, With a crumbling stone at the feet, And the ivy running wild-- Tangled ivy and clover Folding it over and over: Close to my sweetheart's feet Was the little mound up-piled. Stricken with nameless fears, She shrank and clung to me, And her eyes were filled with tears For a sorrow I did not see: Lightly the winds were blowing, Softly her tears were flowing-- Tears for the unknown years And a sorrow that was to be! T.B. ALDRICH. In August. All the long August afternoon, The little drowsy stream Whispers a melancholy tune, As if it dreamed of June And whispered in its dream. The thistles show beyond the brook Dust on their down and bloom, And out of many a weed-grown nook The aster-flowèrs look With eyes of tender gloom. The silent orchard aisles are sweet With smell of ripening fruit. Through the sere grass, in shy retreat, Flutter, at coming feet, The robins strange and mute. There is no wind to stir the leaves, The harsh leaves overhead; Only the querulous cricket grieves, And shrilling locust weaves A song of Summer dead. W.D. HOWELLS. That Day You Came. Such special sweetness was about That day God sent you here, I knew the lavender was out, And it was mid of year. Their common way the great winds blew, The ships sailed out to sea; Yet ere that day was spent I knew Mine own had come to me. As after song some snatch of tune Lurks still in grass or bough, So, somewhat of the end o' June Lurks in each weather now. The young year sets the buds astir, The old year strips the trees; But ever in my lavender I hear the brawling bees. L.W. REESE. Negro Lullaby. Bedtimes' come fu' little boys, Po' little lamb. Too tiahed out to make a noise, Po' little lamb. You gwine t' have to-morrer sho'? Yes, you tole me dat, befo', Don't you fool me, chile, no mo', Po' little lamb. You been bad de livelong day, Po' little lamb. Th'owin' stones an' runnin' 'way, Po' little lamb. My, but you's a-runnin' wild, Look jes' lak some po' folks' chile; Mam' gwine whup you atter while, Po' little lamb. Come hyeah! you mos' tiahed to def, Po' little lamb. Played yo'se'f clean out o' bref, Po' little lamb. See dem han's now,--sich a sight! Would you ever b'lieve dey's white! Stan' still 'twell I wash dem right, Po' little lamb. Jes' caint hol' yo' haid up straight, Po' little lamb. Hadn't oughter played so late, Po' little lamb. Mammy do' know whut she'd do, Ef de chillun's all lak you; You's a caution now fu' true, Po' little lamb. Lay yo' haid down in my lap, Po' little lamb. Y'ought to have a right good slap, Po' little lamb. You been runnin' roun' a heap. Shet dem eyes an' don't you peep, Dah now, dah now, go to sleep, Po' little lamb. P.L. DUNBAR. A Woman's Thought. I am a woman--therefore I may not Call to him, cry to him, Fly to him, Bid him delay not! And when he comes to me, I must sit quiet: Still as a stone-- All silent and cold. If my heart riot-- Crush and defy it! Should I grow bold-- Say one dear thing to him, All my life fling to him, Cling to him-- What to atone Is enough for my sinning! This were the cost to me, This were my winning-- That he were lost to me. Not as a lover At last if he part from me, Tearing my heart from me-- Hurt beyond cure,-- Calm and demure Then must I hold me-- In myself fold me-- Lest he discover; Showing no sign to him By look of mine to him What he has been to me-- How my heart turns to him, Follows him, yearns to him, Prays him to love me. Pity me, lean to me, Thou God above me! R.W. GILDER. The Flight. Upon a cloud among the stars we stood. The angel raised his hand and looked and said, "Which world, of all yon starry myriad Shall we make wing to?" The still solitude Became a harp whereon his voice and mood Made spheral music round his haloed head. I spake--for then I had not long been dead-- "Let me look round upon the vasts, and brood A moment on these orbs ere I decide ... What is yon lower star that beauteous shines And with soft splendor now incarnadines Our wings?--_There_ would I go and there abide." He smiled as one who some child's thought divines: "That is the world where yesternight you died." L. MIFFLIN. Childhood. Old Sorrow I shall meet again, And Joy, perchance--but never, never, Happy Childhood, shall we twain See each other's face forever! And yet I would not call thee back, Dear Childhood, lest the sight of me, Thine old companion, on the rack Of Age, should sadden even thee. J.B. TABB. Little Boy Blue.[10] The little toy dog is covered with dust, But sturdy and stanch he stands; And the little toy soldier is red with rust, And his musket moulds in his hands. Time was when the little toy dog was new And the soldier was passing fair, And that was the time when our Little Boy Blue Kissed them and put them there. "Now, don't you go till I come," he said, "And don't you make any noise!" So toddling off to his trundle-bed He dreampt of the pretty toys. And as he was dreaming, an angel song Awakened our Little Boy Blue,-- Oh, the years are many, the years are long, But the little toy friends are true. Ay, faithful to Little Boy Blue they stand, Each in the same old place, Awaiting the touch of a little hand, The smile of a little face. And they wonder, as waiting these long years through, In the dust of that little chair, What has become of our Little Boy Blue Since he kissed them and put them there. E. FIELD. [10] From "A Little Book of Western Verse," copyright, 1889, by Eugene Field, published by Charles Scribner's Sons. Strong as Death.[11] O death, when thou shalt come to me From out thy dark, where she is now, Come not with graveyard smell on thee, Or withered roses on thy brow. Come not, O Death, with hollow tone, And soundless step, and clammy hand-- Lo, I am now no less alone Than in thy desolate, doubtful land; But with that sweet and subtle scent That ever clung about her (such As with all things she brushed was blent); And with her quick and tender touch. With the dim gold that lit her hair, Crown thyself, Death; let fall thy tread So light that I may dream her there, And turn upon my dying bed. And through my chilling veins shall flame My love, as though beneath her breath; And in her voice but call my name, And I will follow thee, O Death. H.C. BUNNER. [11] From "The Poems of H.C. Bunner," copyright, 1884, 1892, 1896 by Charles Scribner's Sons. The White Jessamine. I knew she lay above me, Where the casement all the night Shone, softened with a phosphor glow Of sympathetic light, And that her fledgling spirit pure Was pluming fast for flight. Each tendril throbbed and quickened As I nightly climbed apace, And could scarce restrain the blossoms When, anear the destined place, Her gentle whisper thrilled me Ere I gazed upon her face. I waited, darkling, till the dawn Should touch me into bloom, While all my being panted To outpour its first perfume, When, lo! a paler flower than mine Had blossomed in the gloom! J.B. TABB. The House of Death. Not a hand has lifted the latchet Since she went out of the door-- No footstep shall cross the threshold, Since she can come in no more. There is rust upon locks and hinges, And mold and blight on the walls, And silence faints in the chambers, And darkness waits in the halls-- Waits as all things have waited Since she went, that day of spring, Borne in her pallid splendor To dwell in the Court of the King: With lilies on brow and bosom, With robes of silken sheen, And her wonderful, frozen beauty, The lilies and silk between. Red roses she left behind her, But they died long, long ago 'Twas the odorous ghost of a blossom That seemed through the dusk to glow. The garments she left mock the shadows With hints of womanly grace, And her image swims in the mirror That was so used to her face. The birds make insolent music Where the sunshine riots outside, And the winds are merry and wanton With the summer's pomp and pride. But into this desolate mansion, Where Love has closed the door, Nor sunshine nor summer shall enter, Since she can come in no more. L.C. MOULTON. A Tropical Morning at Sea. Sky in its lucent splendor lifted Higher than cloud can be; Air with no breath of earth to stain it, Pure on the perfect sea. Crests that touch and tilt each other, Jostling as they comb; Delicate crash of tinkling water, Broken in pearling foam. Plashings--or is it the pinewood's whispers, Babble of brooks unseen, Laughter of winds when they find the blossoms, Brushing aside the green? Waves that dip, and dash, and sparkle; Foam-wreaths slipping by, Soft as a snow of broken roses Afloat over mirrored sky. Off to the east the steady sun-track Golden meshes fill Webs of fire, that lace and tangle, Never a moment still. Liquid palms but clap together, Fountains, flower-like, grow-- Limpid bells on stems of silver-- Out of a slope of snow. Sea-depths, blue as the blue of violets-- Blue as a summer sky, When you blink at its arch sprung over Where in the grass you lie. Dimly an orange bit of rainbow Burns where the low west clears, Broken in air, like a passionate promise Born of a moment's tears. Thinned to amber, rimmed with silver, Clouds in the distance dwell, Clouds that are cool, for all their color, Pure as a rose-lipped shell. Fleets of wool in the upper heavens Gossamer wings unfurl; Sailing so high they seem but sleeping Over yon bar of pearl. What would the great world lose, I wonder-- Would it be missed or no-- If we stayed in the opal morning, Floating forever so? Swung to sleep by the swaying water, Only to dream all day-- Blow, salt wind from the north upstarting, Scatter such dreams away! E.R. SILL. Memory. My mind lets go a thousand things, Like dates of wars and deaths of kings, And yet recalls the very hour-- 'Twas noon by yonder village tower, And on the last blue noon in May-- The wind came briskly up this way, Crisping the brook beside the road; Then, pausing here, set down its load Of pine-scents, and shook listlessly Two petals from that wild-rose tree. T.B. ALDRICH. A Mood. A blight, a gloom, I know not what, has crept upon my gladness-- Some vague, remote ancestral touch of sorrow, or of madness; A fear that is not fear, a pain that has not pain's insistence; A tense of longing, or of loss, in some foregone existence; A subtle hurt that never pen has writ nor tongue has spoken-- Such hurt perchance as Nature feels when a blossomed bough is broken. T.B. ALDRICH. The Way to Arcady.[12] _Oh, what's the way to Arcady,_ _To Arcady, to Arcady;_ _Oh, what's the way to Arcady,_ _Where all the leaves are merry?_ Oh, what's the way to Arcady? The spring is rustling in the tree-- The tree the wind is blowing through-- It sets the blossoms flickering white. I knew not skies could burn so blue Nor any breezes blow so light. They blow an old-time way for me, Across the world to Arcady. Oh, what's the way to Arcady? Sir Poet, with the rusty coat, Quit mocking of the song-bird's note. How have you heart for any tune, You with the wayworn russet shoon? Your scrip, a-swinging by your side, Gapes with a gaunt mouth hungry-wide. I'll brim it well with pieces red, If you will tell the way to tread. _Oh, I am bound for Arcady,_ _And if you but keep pace with me_ _You tread the way to Arcady._ And where away lies Arcady, And how long yet may the journey be? _Ah, that_ (quoth he) _I do not know--_ _Across the clover and the snow--_ _Across the frost, across the flowers--_ _Through summer seconds and winter hours._ _I've trod the way my whole life long,_ _And know not now where it may be;_ _My guide is but the stir to song._ _That tells me I can not go wrong,_ _Or clear or dark the pathway be_ _Upon the road to Arcady._ But how shall I do who cannot sing? I was wont to sing, once on a time-- There is never an echo now to ring Remembrance back to the trick of rhyme. _'Tis strange you cannot sing_ (quoth he), _The folk all sing in Arcady._ But how may he find Arcady Who hath not youth nor melody? _What, know you not, old man_ (quoth he)-- _Your hair is white, your face is wise--_ _That Love must kiss that Mortal's eyes_ _Who hopes to see fair Arcady?_ _No gold can buy you entrance there;_ _But beggared Love may go all bare--_ _No wisdom won with weariness;_ _But Love goes in with Folly's dress--_ _No fame that wit could ever win;_ _But only Love may lead Love in_ _To Arcady, to Arcady._ Ah, woe is me, through all my days Wisdom and wealth I both have got, And fame and name, and great men's praise; But Love, ah, Love! I have it not. There was a time, when life was new-- But far away, and half forgot-- I only know her eyes were blue; But Love--I fear I knew it not. We did not wed, for lack of gold, And she is dead, and I am old. All things have come since then to me, Save Love, ah, Love! and Arcady. _Ah, then I fear we part_ (quoth he), _My way's for Love and Arcady_. But you, you fare alone, like me; The gray is likewise in your hair. What love have you to lead you there, To Arcady, to Arcady? _Ah, no, not lonely do I fare;_ _My true companion's Memory._ _With Love he fills the Spring-time air;_ _With Love he clothes the Winter tree._ _Oh, past this poor horizon's bound_ _My song goes straight to one who stands--_ _Her face all gladdening at the sound--_ _To lead me to the Spring-green lands,_ _To wander with enlacing hands._ _The songs within my breast that stir_ _Are all of her, are all of her._ _My maid is dead long years_ (quoth he), _She waits for me in Arcady._ _Oh, yon's the way to Arcady,_ _To Arcady, to Arcady;_ _Oh, yon's the way to Arcady,_ _Where all the leaves are merry._ H.C. BUNNER. [12] From "The Poems of H.C. Bunner," copyright, 1884, 1892, 1896, by Charles Scribner's Sons. Eve's Daughter. I waited in the little sunny room: The cool breeze waved the window-lace, at play, The white rose on the porch was all in bloom, And out upon the bay I watched the wheeling sea-birds go and come. "Such an old friend,--she would not make me stay While she bound up her hair." I turned, and lo, Danaë in her shower! and fit to slay All a man's hoarded prudence at a blow: Gold hair, that streamed away As round some nymph a sunlit fountain's flow. "She would not make me wait!"--but well I know She took a good half-hour to loose and lay Those locks in dazzling disarrangement so! E.R. SILL. On An Intaglio Head Of Minerva. Beneath the warrior's helm, behold The flowing tresses of the woman! Minerva, Pallas, what you will-- A winsome creature, Greek or Roman. Minerva? No! 'tis some sly minx In cousin's helmet masquerading; If not--then Wisdom was a dame For sonnets and for serenading! I thought the goddess cold, austere, Not made for love's despairs and blisses: Did Pallas wear her hair like that? Was Wisdom's mouth so shaped for kisses? The Nightingale should be her bird, And not the Owl, big-eyed and solemn: How very fresh she looks, and yet She's older far than Trajan's Column! The magic hand that carved this face, And set this vine-work round it running, Perhaps ere mighty Phidias wrought Had lost its subtle skill and cunning. Who was he? Was he glad or sad, Who knew to carve in such a fashion? Perchance he graved the dainty head For some brown girl that scorned his passion. Perchance, in some still garden-place, Where neither fount nor tree to-day is, He flung the jewel at the feet Of Phryne, or perhaps 'twas Laïs. But he is dust; we may not know His happy or unhappy story: Nameless, and dead these centuries, His work outlives him--there's his glory! Both man and jewel lay in earth Beneath a lava-buried city; The countless summers came and went With neither haste, nor hate, nor pity. Years blotted out the man, but left The jewel fresh as any blossom, Till some Visconti dug it up-- To rise and fall on Mabel's bosom! O nameless brother! see how Time Your gracious handiwork has guarded: See how your loving, patient art Has come, at last, to be rewarded. Who would not suffer slights of men, And pangs of hopeless passion also, To have his carven agate-stone On such a bosom rise and fall so! T.B. ALDRICH. Hunting-song. Oh, who would stay indoor, indoor, When the horn is on the hill? (_Bugle_: Tarantara!) With the crisp air stinging, and the huntsmen singing, And a ten-tined buck to kill! Before the sun goes down, goes down, We shall slay the buck of ten; (_Bugle_: Tarantara!) And the priest shall say benison, and we shall ha'e venison, When we come home again. Let him that loves his ease, his ease, Keep close and house him fair; (_Bugle_: Tarantara!) He'll still be a stranger to the merry thrill of danger And the joy of the open air. But he that loves the hills, the hills, Let him come out to-day! (_Bugle_: Tarantara!) For the horses are neighing, and the hounds are baying, And the hunt's up, and away! R. HOVEY. Parting. My life closed twice before its close; It yet remains to see If Immortality unveil A third event to me, So huge, so hopeless to conceive, As these that twice befell. Parting is all we know of heaven, And all we need of hell. E. DICKINSON. When the Sultan Goes to Ispahan. _When the Sultan Shah-Zaman_ _Goes to the city Ispahan_, Even before he gets so far As the place where the clustered palm-trees are, At the last of the thirty palace-gates, The flower of the harem, Rose-in-Bloom, Orders a feast in his favorite room-- Glittering squares of colored ice, Sweetened with syrop, tinctured with spice, Creams, and cordials, and sugared dates, Syrian apples, Othmanee quinces, Limes, and citrons, and apricots, And wines that are known to Eastern princes; And Nubian slaves, with smoking pots Of spicèd meats and costliest fish And all that the curious palate could wish, Pass in and out of the cedarn doors; Scattered over mosaic floors Are anemones, myrtles, and violets, And a musical fountain throws its jets Of a hundred colors into the air. The dusk Sultana loosens her hair, And stains with the henna-plant the tips Of her pointed nails, and bites her lips Till they bloom again; but, alas, _that_ rose Not for the Sultan buds and blows! _Not for the Sultan Shah-Zaman_ _When he goes to the city Ispahan_. Then at a wave of her sunny hand The dancing-girls of Samarcand Glide in like shapes from fairy-land, Making a sudden mist in air Of fleecy veils and floating hair And white arms lifted. Orient blood Runs in their veins, shines in their eyes. And there, in this Eastern Paradise, Filled with the breath of sandal-wood, And Khoten musk, and aloes and myrrh, Sits Rose-in-Bloom on a silk divan, Sipping the wines of Astrakhan; And her Arab lover sits with her. _That's when the Sultan Shah-Zaman_ _Goes to the city Ispahan_. Now, when I see an extra light, Flaming, flickering on the night From my neighbor's casement opposite, I know as well as I know to pray, I know as well as a tongue can say, _That the innocent Sultan Shah-Zaman_ _Has gone to the city Isfahan_. T.B. ALDRICH. Night. Chaos, of old, was God's dominion; 'Twas His belovèd child, His own first-born; And He was agèd ere the thought of morn Shook the sheer steeps of black Oblivion. Then all the works of darkness being done Through countless æons hopelessly forlorn, Out to the very utmost verge and bourn, God at the last, reluctant, made the sun. He loved His darkness still, for it was old: He grieved to see His eldest child take flight; And when His _Fiat lux_ the death-knell tolled, As the doomed Darkness backward by Him rolled, He snatched a remnant flying into light And strewed it with the stars, and called it Night. L. MIFFLIN. He Made the Stars Also. Vast hollow voids, beyond the utmost reach Of suns, their legions withering at His nod, Died into day hearing the voice of God; And seas new made, immense and furious, each Plunged and rolled forward, feeling for a beach; He walked the waters with effulgence shod. This being made, He yearned for worlds to make From other chaos out beyond our night-- For to create is still God's prime delight. The large moon, all alone, sailed her dark lake, And the first tides were moving to her might; Then Darkness trembled, and began to quake Big with the birth of stars, and when He spake A million worlds leapt into radiant light! L. MIFFLIN. The Sour Winds. Wind of the North, Wind of the Norland snows, Wind of the winnowed skies and sharp, clear stars-- Blow cold and keen across the naked hills, And crisp the lowland pools with crystal films, And blur the casement-squares with glittering ice, But go not near my love. Wind of the West, Wind of the few, far clouds, Wind of the gold and crimson sunset lands-- Blow fresh and pure across the peaks and plains, And broaden the blue spaces of the heavens, And sway the grasses and the mountain pines, But let my dear one rest. Wind of the East, Wind of the sunrise seas, Wind of the clinging mists and gray, harsh rains-- Blow moist and chill across the wastes of brine, And shut the sun out, and the moon and stars, And lash the boughs against the dripping eaves, Yet keep thou from my love. But thou, sweet wind! Wind of the fragrant South, Wind from the bowers of jasmine and of rose-- Over magnolia glooms and lilied lakes And flowering forests come with dewy wings, And stir the petals at her feet, and kiss The low mound where she lies. C.H. LÜDERS. The Return. Now at last I am at home-- Wind abeam and flooding tide, And the offing white with foam, And an old friend by my side Glad the long, green waves to ride. Strange how we've been wandering Through the crowded towns for gain, You and I who loved the sting Of the salt spray and the rain And the gale across the main! What world honors could avail Loss of this--the slanted mast, And the roaring round the rail, And the sheeted spray we cast Round us as we seaward passed? As the sad land sinks apace, With it sinks each thought of care; Think not now of aging face; Question not the whitening hair: Youth still beckons everywhere. And the light we thought had fled From the sky-line glows there now; Bends the same blue overhead; And the waves we used to plow Part in beryl at the bow. Hours like this we two have known In the old days, when we sailed Seaward ere the night had flown, Or the morning star had paled Like the shy eyes love has veiled. Round our bow the ripples purled, As the swift tide outward streamed Through a hushed and ghostly world, Where our harbor reaches seemed Like a river that we dreamed. Then we saw the black hills sway In the waters' crinkled glass, And the village wan and gray, And the startled cattle pass Through the tangled meadow-grass. Through the glooming we have run Straight into the gates of day, Seen the crimson-edgèd sun Burn the sea's gray bound away-- Leap to universal sway. Little cared we where we drove So the wind was strong and keen. Oh, what sun-crowned waves we clove! What cool shadows lurked between Those long combers pale and green! Graybeard pleasures are but toys; Sorrow shatters them at last: For this brief hour we are boys; Trim the sheet and face the blast; Sail into the happy past! L.F. TOOKER. Bereaved. Let me come in where you sit weeping,--aye, Let me, who have not any child to die, Weep with you for the little one whose love I have known nothing of. The little arms that slowly, slowly loosed Their pressure round your neck; the hands you used To kiss.--Such arms--such hands I never knew. May I not weep with you? Fain would I be of service--say some thing, Between the tears, that would be comforting,-- But ah! so sadder than yourselves am I, Who have no child to die. J.W. RILEY. The Chariot. Because I could not stop for Death, He kindly stopped for me; The carriage held but just ourselves And Immortality. We slowly drove, he knew no haste, And I had put away My labor, and my leisure too, For his civility. We passed the school where children played, Their lessons scarcely done; We passed the fields of gazing grain. We passed the setting sun. We paused before a house that seemed A swelling of the ground; The roof was scarcely visible, The cornice but a mound. Since then 'tis centuries; but each Feels shorter than the day I first surmised the horses' heads Were toward eternity. E. DICKINSON. Indian Summer. These are the days when birds come back, A very few, a bird or two, To take a backward look. These are the days when skies put on The old, old sophistries of June,-- A blue and gold mistake. Oh, fraud that cannot cheat the bee, Almost thy plausibility Induces my belief, Till ranks of seeds their witness bear, And softly through the altered air Hurries a timid leaf! Oh, sacrament of summer days, Oh, last communion in the haze, Permit a child to join, Thy sacred emblems to partake, Thy consecrated bread to break, Taste thine immortal wine! E. DICKINSON. Confided. Another lamb, O Lamb of God, behold, Within this quiet fold, Among Thy Father's sheep I lay to sleep! A heart that never for a night did rest Beyond its mother's breast. Lord, keep it close to Thee, Lest waking it should bleat and pine for me! J.B. TABB. In Absence. All that thou art not, makes not up the sum Of what thou art, belovèd, unto me: All other voices, wanting thine, are dumb; All vision, in thine absence, vacancy. J.B. TABB. Song of the Chattahoochee.[13] Out of the hills of Habersham, Down the valleys of Hall, I hurry amain to reach the plain, Run the rapids and leap the fall Split at the rock and together again, Accept my bed, or narrow or wide, And flee from folly on every side With a lover's pain to attain the plain Far from the hills of Habersham, Far from the valleys of Hall. All down the hills of Habersham, All through the valleys of Hall, The rushes cried _Abide, abide_, The wilful waterweeds held me thrall, The laving laurel turned my tide, The ferns and the fondling grass said _Stay_, The dewberry dipped for to work delay, And the little reeds sighed _Abide, abide_ _Here in the hills of Habersham_ _Here in the valleys of Hall_. High o'er the hills of Habersham, Veiling the valleys of Hall, The hickory told me manifold Fair tales of shade, the poplar tall Wrought me her shadowy self to hold, The chestnut, the oak, the walnut, the pine, Overleaning, with flickering meaning and sign, Said, _Pass not, so cold, these manifold_ _Deep shades of the hills of Habersham_, _These glades in the valleys of Hall_. And oft in the hills of Habersham, And oft in the valleys of Hall, The white quartz shone, and the smooth brook-stone Did bar me of passage with friendly brawl, And many a luminous jewel lone --Crystals clear or acloud with mist, Ruby, garnet and amethyst-- Made lures with the lights of streaming stone In the clefts of the hills of Habersham, In the beds of the valleys of Hall. But oh, not the hills of Habersham, And oh, not the valleys of Hall Avail: I am fain for to water the plain. Downward the voices of Duty call-- Downward to toil and be mixed with the main. The dry fields burn, and the mills are to turn, And a myriad flowers mortally yearn, And the lordly main from beyond the plain Calls o'er the hills of Habersham, Calls through the valleys of Hall. S. LANIER. [13] From "Poems of Sidney Lanier," copyright, 1884, 1891, by Mary D. Lanier, published by Charles Scribner's Sons. The Sea's Voice. I. Around the rocky headlands, far and near, The wakened ocean murmured with dull tongue Till all the coast's mysterious caverns rung With the waves' voice, barbaric, hoarse, and drear. Within this distant valley, with rapt ear, I listened, thrilled, as though a spirit sung, Or some gray god, as when the world was young, Moaned to his fellow, mad with rage or fear. Thus in the dark, ere the first dawn, methought The sea's deep roar and sullen surge and shock Broke the long silence of eternity, And echoed from the summits where God wrought, Building the world, and ploughing the steep rock With ploughs of ice-hills harnessed to the sea. II. The sea is never quiet: east and west The nations hear it, like the voice of fate; Within vast shores its strife makes desolate, Still murmuring mid storms that to its breast Return, as eagles screaming to their nest. Is it the voice of worlds and isles that wait While old earth crumbles to eternal rest, Or some hoar monster calling to his mate? O ye, that hear it moan about the shore, Be still and listen! that loud voice hath sung Where mountains rise, where desert sands are blown; And when man's voice is dumb, forevermore 'Twill murmur on its craggy shores among, Singing of gods and nations overthrown. W.P. FOSTER. At Gibraltar. I. England, I stand on thy imperial ground, Not all a stranger; as thy bugles blow, I feel within my blood old battles flow,-- The blood whose ancient founts in thee are found. Still surging dark against the Christian bound Wide Islam presses; well its peoples know Thy heights that watch them wandering below; I think how Lucknow heard their gathering sound. I turn and meet the cruel turbaned face; England, 'tis sweet to be so much thy son! I feel the conqueror in my blood and race; Last night Trafalgar awed me, and to-day Gibraltar wakened; hark, thy evening gun Startles the desert over Africa! II. Thou art the rock of empire, set mid-seas Between the East and West, that God has built; Advance thy Roman borders where thou wilt, While run thy armies true with His decrees. Law, justice, liberty,--great gifts are these; Watch that they spread where English blood is spilt, Lest, mixt and sullied with his country's guilt, The soldier's life-stream flow and Heaven displease. Two swords there are: one naked, apt to smite, Thy blade of war; and, battled-storied, one Rejoices in the sheath and hides from light American I am; would wars were done! Now westward look, my country bids Good-night,-- Peace to the world from ports without a gun! G.E. WOODBERRY. Jerry an' Me. No matter how the chances are, Nor when the winds may blow, My Jerry there has left the sea With all its luck an' woe: For who would try the sea at all, Must try it luck or no. They told him--Lor', men take no care How words they speak may fall-- They told him blunt, he was too old, Too slow with oar an' trawl, An' this is how he left the sea An' luck an' woe an' all. Take any man on sea or land Out of his beaten way, If he is young 'twill do, but then, If he is old an' gray, A month will be a year to him, Be all to him you may. He sits by me, but most he walks The door-yard for a deck, An' scans the boat a-goin' out Till she becomes a speck, Then turns away, his face as wet As if she were a wreck. I cannot bring him back again, The days when we were wed. But he shall never know--my man-- The lack o' love or bread, While I can cast a stitch or fill A needleful o' thread. God pity me, I'd most forgot How many yet there be, Whose goodmen full as old as mine Are somewhere on the sea, Who hear the breakin' bar an' think O' Jerry home an'--me. H. RICH. The Gravedigger. Oh, the shambling sea is a sexton old, And well his work is done; With an equal grave for lord and knave, He buries them every one. Then hoy and rip, with a rolling hip, He makes for the nearest shore; And God, who sent him a thousand ship, Will send him a thousand more; But some he'll save for a bleaching grave, And shoulder them in to shore,-- Shoulder them in, shoulder them in, Shoulder them in to shore. Oh, the ships of Greece and the ships of Tyre Went out, and where are they? In the port they made, they are delayed With the ships of yesterday. He followed the ships of England far As the ships of long ago; And the ships of France they led him a dance, But he laid them all arow. Oh, a loafing, idle lubber to him Is the sexton of the town; For sure and swift, with a guiding lift, He shovels the dead men down. But though he delves so fierce and grim, His honest graves are wide, As well they know who sleep below The dredge of the deepest tide. Oh, he works with a rollicking stave at lip, And loud is the chorus skirled; With the burly note of his rumbling throat He batters it down the world. He learned it once in his father's house Where the ballads of eld were sung; And merry enough is the burden rough, But no man knows the tongue. Oh, fair, they say, was his bride to see, And wilful she must have been, That she could bide at his gruesome side When the first red dawn came in. And sweet, they say, is her kiss to those She greets to his border home; And softer than sleep her hand's first sweep That beckons, and they come. Oh, crooked is he, but strong enough To handle the tallest mast; From the royal barque to the slaver dark, He buries them all at last. Then hoy and rip, with a rolling hip, He makes for the nearest shore; And God, who sent him a thousand ship, Will send him a thousand more; But some he'll save for a bleaching grave, And shoulder them in to shore,-- Shoulder them in, shoulder them in, Shoulder them in to shore. B. CARMAN. The Absence of Little Wesley. HOOSIER DIALECT. Sence little Wesley went, the place seems all so strange and still-- W'y, I miss his yell o' "Gran'pap!" as I'd miss the whipperwill! And to think I ust to _scold_ him fer his everlastin' noise, When I on'y rickollect him as the best o' little boys! I wisht a hunderd times a day 'at he'd come trompin' in, And all the noise he ever made was twic't as loud ag'in!-- It 'u'd seem like some soft music played on some fine insturment, 'Longside o' this loud lonesomeness, sence little Wesley went! Of course the clock don't tick no louder than it ust to do-- Yit now they's times it 'pears like it 'u'd bu'st itse'f in two! And let a rooster, suddent-like, crow som'er's clos't around, And seems's ef, mighty nigh it, it 'u'd lift me off the ground! And same with all the cattle when they bawl around the bars, In the red o' airly mornin', er the dusk and dew and stars, When the neighbers' boys 'at passes never stop, but jes' go on, A-whistlin' kind o' to theirse'v's--sence little Wesley's gone! And then, o' nights, when Mother's settin' up oncommon late, A-bilin' pears er somepin', and I set and smoke and wait, Tel the moon out through the winder don't look bigger'n a dime, And things keeps gittin' stiller--stiller--stiller all the time,-- I've ketched myse'f a-wishin' like--as I dumb on the cheer To wind the clock, as I hev done fer mor'n fifty year,-- A-wishin' 'at the time bed come fer us to go to bed, With our last prayers, and our last tears, sence little Wesley's dead! J.W. RILEY. Be Thou a Bird, My Soul. Be thou a bird, my soul, and mount and soar Out of thy wilderness, Till earth grows less and less, Heaven, more and more. Be thou a bird, and mount, and soar, and sing, Till all the earth shall be Vibrant with ecstasy Beneath thy wing. Be thou a bird, and trust, the autumn come, That through the pathless air Thou shalt find otherwhere Unerring, home. Opportunity. This I beheld, or dreamed it in a dream:-- There spread a cloud of dust along a plain; And underneath the cloud, or in it, raged A furious battle, and men yelled, and swords Shocked upon swords and shields. A prince's banner Wavered, then staggered backward, hemmed by foes. A craven hung along the battle's edge, And thought, "Had I a sword of keener steel-- That blue blade that the king's son bears,--but this Blunt thing!"--he snapt and flung it from his hand, And lowering crept away and left the field. Then came the king's son, wounded, sore bestead, And weaponless, and saw the broken sword, Hilt-buried in the dry and trodden sand, And ran and snatched it, and with battle-shout Lifted afresh he hewed his enemy down, And saved a great cause that heroic day. E.R. SILL. Dutch Lullaby.[14] Wynken, Blynken, and Nod one night Sailed off in a wooden shoe,-- Sailed on a river of misty light Into a sea of dew. "Where are you going, and what do you wish?" The old moon asked the three. "We have come to fish for the herring-fish That live in this beautiful sea; Nets of silver and gold have we," Said Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. The old moon laughed and sung a song, As they rocked in the wooden shoe; And the wind that sped them all night long Ruffled the waves of dew; The little stars were the herring-fish That lived in the beautiful sea. "Now cast your nets wherever you wish, But never afeard are we!" So cried the stars to the fishermen three, Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. All night long their nets they threw For the fish in the twinkling foam, Then down from the sky came the wooden shoe, Bringing the fishermen home; 'Twas all so pretty a sail, it seemed As if it could not be; And some folk thought 'twas a dream they'd dreamed Of sailing that beautiful sea; But I shall name you the fishermen three: Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. Wynken and Blynken are two little eyes, And Nod is a little head, And the wooden shoe that sailed the skies Is a wee one's trundle-bed; So shut your eyes while Mother sings Of wonderful sights that be, And you shall see the beautiful things As you rock on the misty sea Where the old shoe rocked the fishermen three,-- Wynken, Blynken, And Nod. E. FIELD. [14] From "A Little Book of Western Verse," copyright, 1889, by Eugene Field, published by Charles Scribner's Sons. The Maryland Yellow-throat.[15] While May bedecks the naked trees With tassels and embroideries, And many blue-eyed violets beam Along the edges of the stream, I hear a voice that seems to say, Now near at hand, now far away, "_Witchery--witchery--witchery_." An incantation so serene, So innocent, befits the scene: There's magic in that small bird's note-- See, there he flits--the yellow-throat: A living sunbeam, tipped with wings, A spark of light that shines and sings "_Witchery--witchery--witchery_." You prophet with a pleasant name, If out of Mary-land you came, You know the way that thither goes Where Mary's lovely garden grows: Fly swiftly back to her, I pray, And try, to call her down this way, "_Witchery--witchery--witchery_!" Tell her to leave her cockleshells, And all her little silver bells That blossom into melody, And all her maids less fair than she. She does not need these pretty things, For everywhere she comes, she brings "_Witchery--witchery--witchery_!" The woods are greening overhead, And flowers adorn each mossy bed; The waters babble as they run-- One thing is lacking, only one: If Mary were but here to-day, I would believe your charming lay, "_Witchery--witchery--witchery_!" Along the shady road I look-- Who's coming now across the brook? A woodland maid, all robed in white-- The leaves dance round her with delight, The stream laughs out beneath her feet-- Sing, merry bird, the charm's complete, "_Witchery--witchery--witchery_!" H. VAN DYKE. [15] From "The Builders and Other Poems," copyright, 1897, by Charles Scribner's Sons. The Silence of Love. Oh, inexpressible as sweet, Love takes my voice away; I cannot tell thee, when we meet, What most I long to say. But hadst thou hearing in thy heart To know what beats in mine, Then shouldst thou walk, where'er thou art, In melodies divine. So warbling birds lift higher notes Than to our ears belong; The music fills their throbbing throats, But silence steals the song. G.E. WOODBERRY. The Secret. Nightingales warble about it, All night under blossom and star; The wild swan is dying without it, And the eagle cryeth afar; The sun he doth mount but to find it, Searching the green earth o'er; But more doth a man's heart mind it, Oh, more, more, more! Over the gray leagues of ocean The infinite yearneth alone; The forests with wandering emotion The thing they know not intone; Creation arose but to see it, A million lamps in the blue; But a lover he shall be it If one sweet maid is true. G.E. WOODBERRY. The Whip-poor-will.[16] Do you remember, father,-- It seems so long ago,-- The day we fished together Along the Pocono? At dusk I waited for you, Beside the lumber-mill, And there I heard a hidden bird That chanted, "whip-poor-will," "_Whippoorwill! whippoorwill!_" Sad and shrill,--"_whippoorwill!_" The place was all deserted; The mill-wheel hung at rest; The lonely star of evening Was quivering in the west; The veil of night was falling; The winds were folded still; And everywhere the trembling air Re-echoed "whip-poor-will!" "_Whippoorwill! whippoorwill!_" Sad and shrill,--"_whippoorwill!_" You seemed so long in coming, I felt so much alone; The wide, dark world was round me, And life was all unknown; The hand of sorrow touched me, And made my senses thrill With all the pain that haunts the strain Of mournful whip-poor-will. "_Whippoorwill! whippoorwill!_" Sad and shrill,--"_whippoorwill!_" What did I know of trouble? An idle little lad; I had not learned the lessons That make men wise and sad, I dreamed of grief and parting, And something seemed to fill My heart with tears, while in my ears Resounded "whip-poor-will." "_Whippoorwill! whippoorwill!_" Sad and shrill,--"_whippoorwill!_" 'Twas but a shadowy sadness, That lightly passed away; But I have known the substance Of sorrow, since that day. For nevermore at twilight, Beside the silent mill, I'll wait for you, in the falling dew, And hear the whip-poor-will. "_Whippoorwill! whippoorwill!_" Sad and shrill,--"_whippoorwill!_" But if you still remember, In that fair land of light, The pains and fears that touch us Along this edge of night, I think all earthly grieving, And all our mortal ill, To you must seem like a boy's sad dream, Who hears the whip-poor-will. "_Whippoorwill! whippoorwill!_" A passing thrill--"_whippoorwill!_" H. VAN DYKE. [16] From "The Builders, and Other Poems," copyright, 1897, Charles Scribner's Sons. Fertility. Spirit that moves the sap in spring, When lusty male birds fight and sing, Inform my words, and make my lines As sweet as flowers, as strong as vines, Let mine be the freshening power Of rain on grass, of dew on flower; The fertilizing song be mine, Nut-flavored, racy, keen as wine. Let some procreant truth exhale From me, before my forces fail; Or ere the ecstatic impulse go, Let all my buds to blossoms blow. If quick, sound seed be wanting where The virgin soil feels sun and air, And longs to fill a higher state, There let my meanings germinate. Let not my strength be spilled for naught, But, in some fresher vessel caught, Be blended into sweeter forms, And fraught with purer aims and charms. Let bloom-dust of my life be blown To quicken hearts that flower alone; Around my knees let scions rise With heavenward-pointed destinies. And when I fall, like some old tree, And subtile change makes mould of me, There let earth show a fertile line Whence perfect wild-flowers leap and shine! M. THOMPSON. The Veery.[17] The moonbeams over Arno's vale in silver flood were pouring, When first I heard the nightingale a long-lost love deploring. So passionate, so full of pain, it sounded strange and eerie, I longed to hear a simpler strain,--the wood notes of the veery. The laverock sings a bonny lay above the Scottish heather; It sprinkles down from far away like light and love together; He drops the golden notes to greet his brooding mate, his dearie; I only know one song more sweet,--the vespers of the veery. In English gardens, green and bright and full of fruity treasure, I heard the blackbird with delight repeat his merry measure: The ballad was a pleasant one, the tune was loud and cheery, And yet, with every setting sun, I listened for the veery. But far away, and far away, the tawny thrush is singing; New England woods, at close of day, with that clear chant are ringing: And when my light of life is low, and heart and flesh are weary, I fain would hear, before I go, the wood notes of the veery. H. VAN DYKE. [17] From "The Builders, and Other Poems," copyright, 1897, by Charles Scribner's Sons. The Eavesdropper. In a still room at hush of dawn, My Love and I lay side by side And heard the roaming forest wind Stir in the paling autumn-tide. I watched her earth-brown eyes grow glad Because the round day was so fair; While memories of reluctant night Lurked in the blue dusk of her hair. Outside, a yellow maple-tree, Shifting upon the silvery blue With small innumerable sound, Rustled to let the sunlight through. The livelong day the elvish leaves Danced with their shadows on the floor; And the lost children of the wind Went straying homeward by our door. And all the swarthy afternoon We watched the great deliberate sun Walk through the crimsoned hazy world, Counting his hilltops one by one. Then as the purple twilight came And touched the vines along our eaves, Another Shadow stood without And gloomed the dancing of the leaves. The silence fell on my Love's lips; Her great brown eyes were veiled and sad With pondering some maze of dream, Though all the splendid year was glad. Restless and vague as a gray wind Her heart had grown, she knew not why. But hurrying to the open door, Against the verge of western sky I saw retreating on the hills, Looming and sinister and black, The stealthy figure swift and huge Of One who strode and looked not back. B. CARMAN. Sesostris. Sole Lord of Lords and very King of Kings, He sits within the desert, carved in stone; Inscrutable, colossal, and alone, And ancienter than memory of things. Graved on his front the sacred beetle clings; Disdain sits on his lips; and in a frown Scorn lives upon his forehead for a crown. The affrighted ostrich dare not dust her wings Anear this Presence. The long caravan's Dazed camels stop, and mute the Bedouins stare. This symbol of past power more than man's Presages doom. Kings look--and Kings despair: Their sceptres tremble in their jewelled hands And dark thrones totter in the baleful air! L. MIFFLIN. NOTES. American poetry before Bryant was considerable in amount, but, with few exceptions, it must be looked for by the curious student in the graveyard of old anthologies. Who now reads "The Simple Cobbler of Agawam in America," "The Tenth Muse Lately Sprung up in America," "The Day of Doom," "M'Fingal," or "The Columbiad?" Skipping a generation from Barlow's death, who reads with much seriousness any one of the group of poets of which Bryant in his earliest period was the centre: Halleck, Pierpont, Sprague, Drake, Dana, Percival, Allston, Brainard, Mrs. Osgood, and Miss Brooks? A few of them, to be sure, are remembered by an occasional lyric,--Halleck by "Marco Bozzaris," a spirited ode in the manner of Campbell; Pierpont by his ringing lines, "Warren's Address to the American Soldiers;" Drake by "The American Flag," conventional but not commonplace, and marked by one very imaginative line; and Allston by two rather excellent lyrics, "Rosalie" and "America to Great Britain." The first poet to accomplish work of high sustained excellence was Bryant. His poetry, though never impassioned, is uniformly elegant. It is often as chaste as Landor at his best. But it never surprises; it is not emotional, personal, suggestively imaginative. In fact, Bryant's muse is not lyrical. With the exception of Pinkney and Hoffman, whose "Sparkling and Bright," if technically defective, is a true song, we must wait for our lyric poet till we reach Edgar Allan Poe, the greatest--one inclines to say the only--master of musical quality in verse whom America has produced. _The Wild Honeysuckle._--Philip Freneau, born in 1752, was a soldier in the American Revolution. Though never rising quite into the highest class of poets, he is our first genuine singer. "The Indian Burying-ground" and "To a Honey-bee" are only less successful than the graceful lines quoted. _A Health._--Poe was an enthusiastic admirer of this poem. He pronounced it, in his essay entitled "The Poetic Principle," "full of brilliancy and spirit," and added: "It was the misfortune of Mr. Pinkney to have been born too far south. Had he been a New Englander, it is probable that he would have been ranked as the first of American lyrists by that magnanimous cabal which has so long controlled the destinies of American Letters, in conducting the thing called _The North American Review_." This passage, very characteristic of Poe's criticisms, illustrates both his championship of favorites, and unmerciful scourging of foes. _Unseen Spirits._--The earnest sincerity, evident in every line of this poem, removes it at once from the company of those gay society verses sparkling with conceits which won for Willis the satiric comment of Lowell in "A Fable for Critics:" "There is Willis, all natty, and jaunty, and gay, Who says his best things in so foppish a way, With conceits and pet phrases so thickly o'erlaying 'em, That one hardly knows whether to thank him for saying 'em; Over-ornament ruins both poem and prose,-- Just conceive of a Muse with a ring in her nose!" Had Willis written more such lyrics as "Unseen Spirits," his fame could hardly have proved so ephemeral. Poe considered this poem Willis's best, and I see no ground for calling the critic's judgment in question. _To Helen._--This brief lyric, written in the poet's youth, is not only among the most exquisite from his pen, but it furnishes one of the most famous among current quotations: "The glory that was Greece, And the grandeur that was Rome." _On the Death of Joseph Rodman Drake._--These manly lines have yielded another phrase to the world's memory. Hardly any quotation is more hackneyed than the last two verses of the first stanza. Drake was a young poet, the intimate friend and literary co-laborer of Halleck, who died September, 1820, in his twenty-fifth year. _To the Fringed Gentian._--This lyric well illustrates what Mr. Stedman has aptly termed Bryant's "Doric simplicity." Nothing of Wordsworth's is freer from ornament or from the least trace of affectation. _The Raven._--Though not belonging to the highest order of poetry, "The Raven" still maintains its position at the head of its class. No more astonishing _tour de force_ can be found in English literature. _Nature._--Generally regarded, I think, the finest of Longfellow's, if not of American, sonnets. _Ichabod._--Occasioned by the defection and fall of Daniel Webster. It is worthy a place by the side of Browning's "Lost Leader." In later years, Whittier wrote a poem on the theme, which, while not a retraction of his former position, is penned in a tenderer, more tolerant mood, "The Lost Occasion" is its title, and it is only just to the poet to read this second lyric, hardly less successful, in connection with the first. _Old Ironsides._--"Old Ironsides" was the popular name for the frigate _Constitution_. Dr. Holmes's poem appeared in the Boston _Advertiser_ "at the time when it was proposed to break up the old ship as unfit for service." _Bedouin Song._--One of the most spirited, most genuinely lyrical of American poems. _Skipper Ireson's Ride._--These lines have an easy, swinging quality that is quite inimitable. One inclines to agree with Mr. Stedman: "Of all our poets he (Whittier) is the most natural balladist." _The Village Blacksmith._--The directness and homely strength of "The Village Blacksmith" have made it deservedly popular. One questions whether the last stanza might not have been omitted with advantage both to the unity and force of the poem. _The Last Leaf._--This masterpiece of mingled humor and pathos was a favorite poem of Abraham Lincoln. _The Old Kentucky Home._--The sincere and tender sentiment of this song, no less than its popular melody, has made it for many years a favorite. Even better known is Foster's "Old Folks at Home," which is said to have had a larger sale than any other American song. _Carolina._--The concluding lines of this lyric have an imaginative vigor rare in American poetry. Four stanzas are omitted. _Dirge for a Soldier._--Boker's Dirge was written in memory of General Philip Kearney. _Battle-hymn of the Republic._--Written in December, 1861, while Mrs. Howe was on a visit to Washington. Soon after the writer's return to Boston the lines were accepted for publication in the _Atlantic Monthly_ by James T. Fields, who suggested the title of the poem. The song did not at first receive much notice, but before the Civil War was over had become very popular. _My Maryland._--A poem of great strength and beauty, though of uneven merit. It is unfortunately marred by a few rather intemperate expressions. The sincerity of feeling is everywhere so evident, however, that these must be forgiven. The lines were written by a native of Baltimore, Prof. James Randall, and were first published in April, 1861. The author of the famous song was teaching in a Louisiana college when he read in a New Orleans paper the news of the attack on the Massachusetts troops as they passed through Baltimore. This newspaper account inspired the verses. _In the Hospital._--This poem, which has enjoyed at best a newspaper immortality, deserves to be more widely known. Its simplicity, directness, and truth of feeling are quite beyond praise. According to a story which one dislikes to believe apocryphal, these lines were found under the pillow of a wounded soldier near Port Royal, South Carolina, in 1864. _Days._--Regarded from the point of view of artistic form, perhaps nothing of Emerson's is quite so flawless as "Days," a poem which for conciseness and polish is worthy to be called classic. _A Death-bed._--This is a worthy companion-piece to that other miniature classic, Thomas Hood's song, beginning, "We watched her breathing through the night." _Telling the Bees._--"A remarkable custom, brought from the Old Country, formerly prevailed in the rural districts of New England. On the death of a member of the family, the bees were at once informed of the event, and their hives dressed in mourning. The ceremonial was supposed to be necessary to prevent the swarms from leaving their hives and seeking a new home." This poem of Whittier's is almost his highest achievement. Lowell said, in writing of the Quaker poet (Appleton's Cyclopedia of American Biography, VI.): "Many of his poems (such for example as 'Telling the Bees'), in which description and sentiment mutually inspire each other, are as fine as any in the language." I often think, however, that Whittier will live longest by his hymns and poems of purely religious devotion. I know of nothing similar in English that surpasses "The Eternal Goodness," and perhaps half a dozen other poems. _Katie._--About one-third of Timrod's graceful poem which bears this title. This is one of the few cases where I have ventured to make omissions. _Thalatta._--Regarding this poem, Thomas Wentworth Higginson says, in "The New World and the New Book:" "Who knows but that, when all else of American literature has vanished in forgetfulness, some single little masterpiece like this may remain to show the high-water mark, not merely of a single poet, but of a nation and a generation?" The author of "Thalatta" was a Dartmouth graduate, a teacher, and a disciple of Emerson. _The Fall of the Leaf._--Thoreau's prose is known universally; his verse has not won as yet the recognition it deserves. It has little lyrical quality, but for unconventionality, charming turns of phrase, and the intimate knowledge of Nature it reveals, it is almost alone in American poetry. _The Rhodora._--"The Rhodora" has a conciseness and unity too rare in Emerson's poetry, which, beautiful in details, is strangely uneven. We sigh as we think what an unrivalled lyric poet Emerson would have been had he been sustained at the heights he was capable of reaching. No one surpasses Emerson at his best; he is almost a great poet. _The Chambered Nautilus._--Many think this Holmes's finest poem. It is taken from "The Autocrat of the Breakfast Table," 1858. _Thought._--Helen Jackson is, perhaps, the most gifted of American women poets. Emily Dickinson is more imaginative, but her utter scorn of form in composition makes her work, unique as it is, less satisfying. Mrs. Jackson was a favorite with Emerson, and he is said to have liked best among her poems this sonnet, "Thought." _On a Bust of Dante._--Parsons, one of the best of American poets, is one of the most neglected. Stedman is inclined to think "On a Bust of Dante" the finest of American lyrics (see "The Nature of Poetry," 254). _The Port of Skips._--In a recent review of American Literature in the London _Athæneum_ occurs this sentence: "In point of power, workmanship, and feeling, among all poems written by Americans, we are inclined to give first place to the 'Port of Ships,' of Joaquin Miller." _Evening Song._--No poem of Lanier is more free from his characteristic faults. One regrets that so much of his work, highly imaginative as it is, is marred by over-elaboration and artificiality. _A Woman's Thought._--The striking reality and directness of this lyric, its immense emotional undercurrent, and its abrupt, almost gasping metre, admirably suited to the impassioned mood of the speaker,--these are a few of the qualities that combine to make "A Woman's Thought" one of the most remarkable poems in the book. _The White Jessamine._--One of the most charming of Father Tabb's lyrics. The verse of this poet is uneven in merit. He is too prone to merely fanciful conceits. But at his best Tabb is imaginative, as, for example, in the lines where he says of Angelo that he-- "From the sterile womb of stone, Raised children unto God." Always artistic, Tabb's verse usually suggests workmanship; it is more thoughtful than spontaneous. His religious poetry presents, in the main, a rather striking similarity to the work of George Herbert. _The Battle-field._--Miss Dickinson has much of the witchcraft and subtlety of William Blake. Many verses of the shy recluse, whom Mr. Higginson so happily has introduced to the world, are not only daring and unconventional, but recklessly defiant of form. But, as her editor has well said, "When a thought takes one's breath away, a lesson on grammar seems an impertinence." Emily Dickinson had more than a message, more than the charm of unexpectedness, more than the gift of phrase,--she had (and of how many Americans can this be said?) an intense imagination. _Fertility._--This selection appears in the collected poems of Maurice Thompson (Houghton, Mifflin & Co., 1892), under the title of "A Prelude." _Sesostris._--Of this poem Mr. Stoddard has the high praise that in imaginative quality it is unequalled in nineteenth century literature, unless by Leigh Hunt's sonnet on the Nile. The same critic does not scruple to declare of Mr. Mifflin that he has a "glorious imagination," and to prophesy for him a distinguished future. Seldom indeed has a first book of verse won such instant and universal appreciation as Mr. Mifflin's volume of sonnets, just issued as the "American Treasury" goes to press. INDEX TO FIRST LINES. A blight, a gloom, I know not what; 242 All that thou art not, makes not up the sum; 267 All the long August afternoon; 223 A man said unto his angel; 211 Another lamb, O Lamb of God, behold; 266 Around the rocky headlands, far and near; 271 As a fond mother, when the day is o'er; 63 As a twig trembles, which a bird; 145 At midnight, in the month of June; 57 At sea are tossing ships; 149 At the king's gate the subtle noon; 183 Ay, tear her tattered ensign down; 76 Be thou a bird, my soul, and mount and soar; 282 Because I could not stop for Death; 264 Bedtime's come fu' little boys; 225 Behind him lay the gray Azores; 199 Beneath the warrior's helm, behold; 248 Birds are singing round my window; 193 Burly, dozing bumble-bee; 169 By the rude bridge that arched the flood; 74 Chaos, of old, was God's dominion; 256 Close his eyes; his work is done; 106 Dark as the clouds of even; 100 Daughters of Time, the hypocritic Days; 126 Dear common flower, that grow'st beside the way; 175 Dear yesterday, glide not so fast; 155 Do you remember, father; 291 England, I stand on thy imperial ground; 273 Fair flower that dost so comely grow; 1 Farragut, Farragut; 110 From the Desert I come to thee; 85 "Give us a song!" the soldiers cried; 119 Green be the turf above thee; 36 Helen, thy beauty is to me; 31 Her hands are cold; her face is white; 124 Here is the place; right over the hill; 137 Her suffering ended with the day; 136 How dear to this heart are the scenes of my childhood; 8 I am a woman--therefore I may not; 227 I fill this cup to one made up; 12 I have a little kinsman; 150 I knew she lay above me; 235 I lay me down to sleep; 122 I saw him once before; 95 I saw the twinkle of white feet; 64 I stand upon the summit of my years; 154 I waited in the little sunny room; 247 In a still room at hush of dawn; 298 In Heaven a spirit doth dwell; 21 In May, when sea-winds pierced our solitudes; 165 In the greenest of our valleys; 26 In the summer even; 202 It may be through some foreign grace; 140 It was many and many a year ago; 10 It was nothing but a rose I gave her; 196 It was the schooner Hesperus; 80 Just where the Treasury's marble front; 188 Lear and Cordelia! 'twas an ancient tale; 78 Let me come in where you sit weeping,--aye; 263 Let me move slowly through the street; 42 Lo! Death has reared himself a throne; 15 Look off, dear Love, across the sallow sands; 215 Look out upon the stars, my love; 14 Men say the sullen instrument; 158 Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord; 108 My books I'd fain cast off, I cannot read; 172 My heart, I cannot still it; 192 My life closed twice before its close; 252 My life is like the summer rose; 4 My mind lets go a thousand things; 241 Nightingales warble about it; 290 No matter how the chances are; 275 Not a hand has lifted the latchet; 236 Not a kiss in life; but one kiss, at life's end; 209 Not as all other women are; 142 Now at last I am at home; 260 O Death, when thou shalt come to me; 233 O fairest of the rural maids; 6 O marvel, fruit of fruits, I pause; 167 O messenger, art thou the king, or I; 180 O Nature! I do not aspire; 166 Of all the rides since the birth of time; 87 Oh, inexpressible as sweet; 289 Oh, the shambling sea is a sexton old; 277 Oh, who would stay indoor, indoor; 251 _Oh, what's the way to Arcady_; 243 Old Sorrow I shall meet again; 230 Once it smiled a silent dell; 38 Once this soft turf, this rivulet's sands; 54 Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary; 45 Out of the hills of Habersham; 268 Prithee tell me, Dimple-Chin; 194 See, from this counterfeit of him; 185 Sence little Wesley went, the place seems all so strange and still; 280 Sky in its lucent splendor lifted; 238 So fallen! so lost! the light withdrawn; 69 Sole Lord of Lords and very King of Kings; 300 Southward with fleet of ice; 71 Sparkling and bright in liquid light; 32 Spirit that moves the sap in spring; 294 Still in thy love I trust; 218 Such special sweetness was about; 224 The apples are ripe in the orchard; 117 The dawn came in through the bars of the blind; 213 The day is done, and the darkness; 66 The despot treads thy sacred sands; 104 The despot's heel is on thy shore; 113 The evening of the year draws on; 162 The handful here, that once was Mary's earth; 147 The little toy dog is covered with dust; 231 The moonbeams over Arno's vale in silver flood were pouring; 296 The new moon hung in the sky; 221 The pines were dark on Ramoth hill; 130 The royal feast was done; the King; 205 The shadows lay along Broadway; 24 The sky is dark, and dark the bay below; 217 The sun shines bright in the old Kentucky Home; 98 The tide rises, the tide falls; 161 The wind from out the west is blowing; 216 There are gains for all our losses; 129 There is a city, builded by no hand; 201 These are the days when birds come back; 265 This bronze doth keep the very form and mold; 207 This I beheld, or dreamed it in a dream; 283 This is Palm Sunday; mindful of the day; 198 This is the Burden of the Heart; 197 This is the ship of pearl, which poets feign; 178 Thou blossom bright with autumn dew; 40 Thou unrelenting Past; 18 Thou wast all that to me, love; 34 Thought is deeper than all speech; 181 Three roses, wan as moonlight, and weighed down; 210 Under a spreading chestnut-tree; 92 Upon a cloud among the stars we stood; 229 Vast hollow voids, beyond the utmost reach; 257 We sat within the farmhouse old; 133 What, cringe to Europe! Band it all in one; 75 What may we take into the vast Forever?; 219 When first the bride and bridegroom wed; 153 When I was a beggarly boy; 128 _When the Sultan Shah-Zaman_; 253 While May bedecks the naked trees; 287 Whither, midst falling dew; 29 Who has robbed the ocean cave; 3 Wind of the North; 258 Wynken, Blynken, and Nod one night; 284 Years have flown since I knew thee first; 208 You know the old Hidalgo; 127 INDEX TO AUTHORS. James Aldrich, 1810-1856, 136 Thomas Bailey Aldrich, 1836-; 210, 221, 241, 242, 248, 253 George Henry Boker, 1823-1890; 75, 78, 100, 106 Joseph Brownlee Brown, 1824-1888; 154 William Cullen Bryant, 1794-1878; 6, 18, 29, 40, 42, 54 Henry Cuyler Bunner, 1855-1896; 209, 213, 233, 243 Bliss Carman, 1861-; 277, 298 Christopher Pearse Cranch, 1813-1892; 181 Emily Dickinson, 1830-1886; 252, 264, 265 Paul Lawrence Dunbar, 1872-; 225 Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1803-1882; 74, 126, 165, 169 Eugene Field, 1850-1896; 231, 284 Annie Adams Fields, 1834-; 218 Stephen Collins Foster, 1826-1864; 98 William Prescott Foster, 18-; 271 Philip Freneau, 1752-1832; 1 Richard Watson Gilder, 1844-; 207, 208, 216, 217, 227 Louise Imogen Guiney, 1861-; 211 Fitz-Greene Halleck, 1790-1867; 36 Charles Fenno Hoffman, 1806-1884; 32 Oliver Wendell Holmes, 1809-1894; 76, 95, 124, 178 Richard Hovey, 1864-; 251 Julia Ward Howe, 1819-; 108 William Dean Howells, 1837-; 223 Mary Woolsey Howland, 1832-1864; 122 Helen Hunt Jackson, 1831-1885; 155, 167, 180, 183 Sidney Lanier, 1842-1881; 215, 268 Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, 1807-1882; 63, 66, 71, 80, 92, 133, 161 James Russell Lowell, 1819-1891; 64, 128, 142, 145, 158, 175, 192 Charles Henry Lüders, 1858-1891; 258 William Tuckey Meredith, 1839-; 110 Lloyd Mifflin, 18-; 229, 256, 257, 300 Cincinnatus Hiner (Joaquin) Miller, 1841-; 199 Louise Chandler Moulton, 1835-; 236 Thomas William Parsons, 1819-1892; 147, 185, 198, 201 John James Piatt, 1835-; 149 Edward Coate Pinkney, 1802-1828; 12, 14 Edgar Allan Poe, 1809-1849; 10, 15, 21, 26, 31, 34, 38, 45, 57 James Ryder Randall, 1839-; 113 Lizette Woodworth Reese, 1860-; 224 Hiram Rich, 1832-; 275 James Whitcomb Riley, 1853-; 263, 280 John Shaw, 1778-1809; 3 Edward Rowland Sill, 1841-1887; 205, 219, 238, 247, 283 Harriet Prescott Spofford, 1835-; 196, 202 Edmund Clarence Stedman, 1833-; 150, 188, 194 Richard Henry Stoddard, 1825-; 127, 129, 153, 193 John Banister Tabb, 1845-; 230, 235, 266, 267 Bayard Taylor, 1825-1878; 85, 119 Maurice Thompson, 1844-; 294 Henry David Thoreau, 1817-1862; 162, 166, 172 Henry Timrod, 1829-1867; 104, 140 L. Frank Tooker, 18-; 260 Henry Van Dyke, 1852-; 287, 291, 296 John Greenleaf Whittier, 1807-1892; 69, 87, 130, 137 Richard Henry Wilde, 1789-1847; 4 Nathaniel Parker Willis, 1806-1867; 24 Byron Forceythe Willson, 1837-1867; 197 William Winter, 1836-; 117 George Edward Woodberry, 1855-; 273, 289, 290 Samuel Woodworth, 1785-1842; 8 End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of The Golden Treasury of American Songs and Lyrics, by Various *** END OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE GOLDEN TREASURY OF *** ***** This file should be named 15553-8.txt or 15553-8.zip ***** This and all associated files of various formats will be found in: https://www.gutenberg.org/1/5/5/5/15553/ Produced by David Kline, Karen Dalrymple and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team. Updated editions will replace the previous one--the old editions will be renamed. 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invited to join in a global relay run and help light the way why the peace run theres a new spirit in the nineties a spirit of oneness a growing belief in the possibility of true global peace the goal of the sri chinmoy oneness home peace run is simple to bring this spirit forward in a concrete way to transform it into a reality in their own lives every other year thousands of men women and children from more than 70 nations passing a flaming peace torch from hand to hand join together in a relay run that virtually circles the globe transcending political and cultural boundaries they go from nation to nation across mountains jungles and deserts carrying the message of brotherhood to all humankind each person who holds or runs with the peace torch lights a path for those who follow each time the peace torch changes hands the flame of oneness burns a little brighter until one day it will shine in the hearts and minds of every individual on earth making history the three peace runs since 1987 have achieved some historic break throughs in the middle east a landmark run crossed the egyptian israeli border in europe a precedent setting run linked eastern and western europe with russia in the united states mexico and canada entire cities were dedicated to the cause of world peace and in poland the peace torch was blessed by pope john paul ii speaking as one world leaders celebrities and you the peace run has won the support of leaders the world over presidents prime ministers religious leaders sports figures and entertainment personalities its message has spread to a half billion people though newspaper reports magazine articles and radio and tv broadcasts including specials on pbs mtv and nbcs today show i am happy to support your peace run for justice peace and reconciliation the world must know that god wants us to live amicably as brothers and sisters members of one family the human family gods family archbishop desmond tutu nobel peace prize winner how it all works peace run 1993 started with a five borrough relay in new york city on saturday april 17 converging at various points to lead up to the opening ceremony outside the united nations dag hammarskjold building there runners from around the world were gathered for the fourth lighting of the peace torch from there peace torches are now being transported to over seventy countries for a series of concurrent international or cross country relay runs including the united states canada japan australia russia and eastern and western europe smaller runs will take place in the philippines mexico israel south america egypt and elsewhere in africa distance to be covered 31 000 miles the peace run wil do much to inspire the hearts and stimulate the minds of those who support participate in witness or hear about the event carl lewis six time olympic gold medalist whos behind it the peace run is sponsored by the sri chinmoy marathon team an international running organization that believes sports can be a powerful instrument for promoting world peace each year the team puts on hundreds of athletic events including several world class ultramarathons marathons and triathlons in dozens of countries the peace run itself is inspired by the global peace ambassador sri chinmoy who has written and lectured extensively on peace offered hundreds of free peace concerts and met with countless world figures to advance the cause of international harmony the run is managed by peace runs international a non profit organization based in the united states take a step for peace the peace runs in 1987 1989 and 1991 attracted nearly half a million participants were expecting even more people to join peace run 93 you can also join the run carrying the peace torch a few steps a few blocks or a few miles or you can come out and cheer the runners as they carry the torch through your community you can also join local celebrities and government officials in one of the thousands of welcoming ceremonies scheduled along the 70 nation route your inner support is important too if youre a runner each time you go out you can dedicate your run to the cause of world peace the next step is yours make it one for peace for information contact peace runs international 161 44 normal road jamaica ny 11432 usa tel 718 291 6637 fax 718 291 6978 peace run canada 2456 agricola street halifax nova scotia b3k 4c2 tel 902 425 1174 fax 902 420 0773 or for the phone number or address of a peace run office in your town or country reply to this message by e mail baseball red sox choke contest to encourage the great tradition of red sox negativism i am having a contest to predict the magnitude of the sox fall from their current heights you must decide first whether the sox will be at 500 again at any time during this year then you must predict either 1 their record the first time theyre at 500 if they are or 2 their final record if they stay above 500 the rest of the year so valentines earlier prediction would go as 13 13 resend it if you were serious val espn pointed out last night that the last sox start better than this was in 1952 when they finished 76 78 in sixth place so email me your guess either at barring cs washington edu or directly replying to this post entries close 5 pm pdt on wed 28 apr 1993 dave mb medicine q repelling wasps this is a cross post to rec gardens and sci med set the follow up line in the header depending on what kind of advice you give or e mail directly to me ceci lysator liu se i have a problem with wasps they seem to love me last summer i couldnt spend more than ten to fifteen minutes at a time in my garden before one or several wasps would come for me i am asking for advice on how to repel wasps this year the wasps have built their nest under a stone next to one of my tiny ponds the caretaker poor fellow will have to take care of them and that will give me a head start on them last year we couldnt find any nest even after the caretaker has gassed the nest in my tiny garden of 30 square meter other wasps will most likely vie for the territory is there anything i can grow rub on my skin or spread on the soil that will repel the black and yellow bastards never mind if it turns my skin purple or kills off all my beloved plants i want to be able to spend time in my garden like everyone else would it help to remove the ponds and the bird bath the wasps seem to come to drink at them and i suppose that their prey will breed in them the black tits seem to be afraid of the wasps because as soon as the wasp season starts they stop coming to have their bath even when i am not trying to win back my patio from 15 20 wasps they seem to love me the advice i usually get when i ask what to do about wasps is to stand still and not wave my arms ive got some painful stings when trying to follow that advice i have also tried to use hygienic products without perfumes to no avail they still love me and come for me even when im in the middle of a crowd so far only two things seem to work to kill it dead or to run into the house and close all doors and windows nb i dont have a problem with bees or bumble bees just wasps patronizing advice redirected to dev null ceci ceci lysator liu se the number of rational hypotheses that can explain any given phenomenon is infinite phaedrus law from rm pirsigs zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735383339 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes note my posting was in reply to those about fbi torching the plasce after filling it with napalm and arrested people dissapering about waco it looks to me as the batf and fbi cant handle situations like this the way it went reminds me of stun bomb beeing dropped on a house in la from a helicopter whole block went up in flames 5 died it doesnt have to be a conspiracy maybe they just screwed up i dont think weve got a conspiracy on our hands or anything vaugely similar i do think that the feds showed a distinct lack of both intelligence and disregard for others safety throughout this whole mess i do think the fbi and the batf screwed up big what made me really concerned was fbi director william sessions being on cnn engaging in what could only be called spin control before the place had even cooled down evertyhing had literally blown up in their faces and i felt there had to be something more important he should have been doing david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al windows save my hard disk allocation error cross linked hi while running the ms quick c compiler in a dos window under windows 3 1 this evening i got a program has violated system integrity close all applications exit windows and restart your computer error i started to do this when i immediately got a serious disk error message from windows hit return to retry i did that about 5 times and then rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow i am including the chkdsk output below questions 1 is there an easy way to restore everything to working order what might be some better approaches 2 what might have caused this does the smartdrv cache make me more vulnerable im suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing the straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the f option to fix the disk and then it looks like i would probably have to reinstall windows and a few other things thanks for your comments and suggestions brad banko ps this is a 386sx machine with a 40mb hard drive and 2 mb of ram chkdsk output volume serial number is 1159 09d3 errors found f parameter not specified corrections will not be written to disk c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 vpic txt allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg allocation error 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each allocation unit 20687 total allocation units on disk 764 available allocation units on disk 655360 total bytes memory 579712 bytes free brad banko dept of physics u of illinois b banko uiuc edu see one do one teach one 73 de kb8cne n9lnq il cars re too fast in article 1qh61m b6l armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes its a bit hard to prove a point like this but i can compare the i was hoping for something like the chassis exhibits x degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than y units forces of more than y units begin to manifest at z miles per hour not well gee it wasnt designed to go fast because uhh well gee it wasnt designed to go fast its not a porsche you know come with better seatbelts more supportive seats a stronger passenger compartment cage better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground what do they come with well as compared to the normal taurus the sho comes with more supportive seats better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground or at least i think thats what all that boy racer plastic is for youre kidding yourself if you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to withstand 130 mph impacts compare either to the porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed oh right only 120 000 dollar cars should be driven fast they drive goddamn rabbits at 120 mph in europe pal and i reckon a taurus is at least as capable as a rabbit certainly havent convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already its interesting that lots of the roads out west had no speed limits until 1975 wr windows re wallpaper in windows 3 1 in article 1qvpdo q7i bigboote wpi edu bigal wpi wpi edu nathan charles crowell writes hi there is there any utility available that will make windows randomly select one of your windows directorys bmp files as the wallpaper file nate nates sig there are a couple i am personally using screenpeace which is a screen saver which will also select your wallpaper from a specified directory not necessarily the windows dir let me know if you want info ive been pretty happy with screenpeace and the latest version 3 is not at cica but oak windows3 scrpc3or something mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd baseball re bosox win again the team record is 9 3 in article jxu 735168686 black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes today frank viola and rest of pitcher staff of boston red sox shutout chicago white sox 4 0 it is red sox 9th win of this season so far red sox won all the games roger and frank v pitched 6 0 and 3 3 when other three starters were pitching tomorrow dopson will pitch again have a good first start and rocky second start i wonder that bosox can play over 500 ball without roger and frank v as long as the yankees are in the same division the red sox will play better than 500 baseball or the red sox can hire former east german swimming coaches to train them at the fine art of body building the red sox can use chinese women swimmers as a reference with the hawk the red sox definitely have a chance for the east this year he brings class work ethic and leadership to the park each day and he has a burning desire to play in the world series future hall of famer andre dawson will kick butt in boston from rockies country anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl1 p o box 3000 boulder co 80307 guns two questions id appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions the brady bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in congress did bush veto it if so when also the state of virginia i believe just passed a gun control bill on febrauary 25 of this year i think it limits gun purchases to one a month is this correct what was the bill number anyone cars re lh workmanship in article 1993apr15 203750 25764 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid really nice i must say very attractive styling lots of features and room at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame surely it would come off easily lack of build quality was the thing i notced on the first 2 lhs i saw months back the panel gaps were large and non uniform between the 2 cars i saw the kind of thing you expect and accept on a mustang but not from chryslers savior i drove one of the low end cars and thought it was more than adequate id prefer an lh to a taurus from my brief experience craig i am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering assembly problems that will show up later i may still consider buying it but only when it establishes a good track record jason chen windows roman bmp 12 14 part 12 of 14 max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max 3 9 l i 5w w w giz bj n m 7ey 7ey 7 p p m p p bhj kn n m p p nrhj biz1pmf 8 ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax as q 1f pl i 6ei 6ei 51t 1t mw m w w w wt 1z4 v 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax 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m3l g2f0 m m i 5f 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax as q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 8 z6e1t 1 m ghjn n nuy 7 p p p 9f0 p p f9f9 3t tm 2tm 2tm 2 end of part 12 of 14 cars re impala ss going into i still cant understand all the hype about the impalla ss it still has the ugly caprice body orca on wheels the caprice was the worst new body style to come out of detroit ever now just because the lt1 engine and a few suspension tweeks are being added its still ugly its still a barge gms answer to everything is throw in a v8 and someone will buy it or add some plastic ground affects and a few stickers and call it a gt gtz or ss and someone will buy it imho gm needs to scrap the caprice body completely and start over with a blank sheet of paper no minor modification wheel well treatments tail amp modification or nose re design or even the lt1 engine will help the existing caprice jeff guns re waco headlines and editorial in boston globe john kim kim39 scws8 harvard edu writes boston globe wednesday april 21 1993 little in the way of rationality could be expected from koresh a self confessed sinner without equal funny if koresh did say that he was quoting st paul of course the early christians were persecuted too if koresh is a loony because he quotes the bible how long is it before mainstream christians become the target of the fbis loving care and attention jason get off the cross we need the wood steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu windows re norton desktop for windows 2 2 in article 1993apr2 180451 15428 exu ericsson se ebuwoo ebu ericsson se james woo 66515 writes hi i wonder if anyone has had a chance try out norton desktop for windows version 2 2 yet i understand the upgrade cost from 2 0 to 2 2 is about 20 00 but i have no idea what the new version has i got the offer to upgrade this weekend its 19 8 50 shipping and handling the s h seem way too steep for just a couple of disks sounds like ripoff city can this purchased at vendors bill volz chevron petroleum technology co earth model interpretation analysis division p o box 446 la habra ca 90633 0446 phone 310 694 9340 fax 310 694 7063 cars re opel owners in article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure well the european manta and us gt have entirely different bodies there is little or no chance that they are the same the manta went through several generations as the coupe version of the ascona and was ok in its time that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the not true the kadett has been in and out of the us market over the years the lemans old kadett is only the latest version craig gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta different cars one looks like a sports car the other is a coupe chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area medicine re patti dukes problem in article 1993apr26 070649 2138 hemlock cray com n3022 cray com writes does anyone have information about the struggles that patti duke went through in her personal life with severe mood swings did she have some form of chemical imbalance that triggered these problems i recall that she wrote a book about her troubles does someone have the title of that book shes published two books about her manic depressive illness call me anna the autobiography of patty duke patty duke and kenneth turan bantam books 1987 and a brilliant madness living with manic depressive illness patty duke and gloria hochman bantam books 1992 barbara religion re imaginary friends dragons mice he sounds really cute morte kinds like petes dragon maybe smaller maybe a different species winged shakespear wing ed ive always hat a horde of mice to turn to for fun sort of that kind of mouse in cinderella walt disney i grew up sort of as an only child part time my siblings were 10 8 6 years older than me so i was pretty commonly a different sort of charater in their games read non speaking hot cocoa goffer stand in still silent bad guy good guy etc so my mice were playmates more than advisors could curt or whomever has a good list of books please post such list in all sorts of fields like jungian condensed buddist etc philosophies multiple personailty disorders or good fiction that has well worked imaginary friends thanks sheilagh wanting a bunch of library catalouge topics to search thru cars re bimmer vs beamer in article 1993apr18 173934 14572 newsgate sps mot com markm latium mark monninger writes although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please huh i though beamers were ibm employees lets get our terms straight actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600 mark baseball re jewish ballplayers your list of jewish ballplayers includes levi samuel meyerle son of jacob and margaret meyerle although that sounds like a jewish name meyerles surviving relatives say he wasnt jewish according to nineteenth century stars published by sabr in 1989 incidentally long levi he was 6 foot 1 batted 492 in the first season of the national association the first pro league needless to say he hasnt been topped yet of course the na is not considered a major league by officialdom over five seasons meyerle hit 368 in the na he also played for the first three seasons of the nl hitting 329 phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu baseball good hands was re apology for article in article c5w7zo 5xl eskimo com stevet eskimo com steven thornton writes stuff deleted mattingly scores badly on both counts he doesnt get to very many balls and he lets a lot of balls go through the fact that he looks smooth has great hands and makes few errors means nothing this is traditional brainless reliance on observations that can easily be misled like a lot of bad fielders mattingly actually makes himself look better by not having any range hes nowhere near as bad as steve garvey but thats not much of a compliment i agree with the flavor of this post but disagree with one specific argument that has great hands means nothing it seems to me that a first basemans defensive value is not entirely or even primarily from his ability to field grounders or catch popups how many such chances does he get during a game many fewer than he gets chances to catch throws from 2b ss 3b and p i mean the total of these is much higher than grounder popup totals this implies to me that there is value in catching these throws well even if they are high up the line or in the dirt good hands are needed for such plays and thus have value i dont have any numbers for the relative number of occurences of these plays but id guess that the values of these abilities are similar its just like you dont judge catchers defense primarily on how they field bunts and popups but not as marked i suppose michael cars re its a rush was re too fast boyle cactus org craig boyle wrote marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked well thats news before 1975 the speed limit on texas highways was 75 the speed limit on the new jersey turnpike i 95 was 70 there were no speed limits in nevada or montana i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin actually the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built in the 1950s taking into account the kinds of cars then available the number would be much higher today because the cars tires and just about everything else has imprivoved a lot except the drivers tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea massive difficult to redirect awe inspiring entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it gene spafford 1992 baseball re lets talk phillies article from as follows from bml2 ns1 cc lehigh edu brian michael lucy subject re lets talk phillies date 15 apr 93 06 29 05 gmt organization lehigh university lines 9 in article uflkll 00vpcekw15e andrew cmu edu al1x andrew cmu edu amit likhy ani writes excerpts from netnews rec sport baseball 9 apr 93 re lets talk phillies u96 msopher vaxc stevens 963 like this oh well how do we spell cellar p i r a t e s ninja jew are there any philly fans who want to put money on that if not stop your woofing ben rivera got hammered true last week but tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him thats why were 8 1 one phrase for you fuck you thanks windows do we need sdk as well as ddk the microsoft windows device driver kit ddk documentation blurb states that the user must separately acquire the microsoft windows software development kit sdk which contains the windows tools to build the drivers if we are using borland c with application frameworks is this necessary we also have a copy of the microsoft press programmers reference library books which normally comes with the sdk and microsoft macro assembler 6 0 why is the sdk neccessary for development of virtual device drivers steven murray posted on behalf of brian davies guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article 1993apr21 091130 17788 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes this means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough good this was not stated nor implied try asking nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals this is laughable licenses right so then i would need a license to possess chlorine gas it is a weapons grade poison would i be breaking the law then if i were to say pour chlorox on the spot where my cat pissed on the floor the reaction of ammonia and bleach liberates pure chlorine gas do i go to jail for this why or why not would i need a license to possess other chemical agents what about nicotine deadly poison and rather fast acting must i now become licensed to posess tobacco and what about nicotine sulphate an even deadlier poison will i need a license to possess this type of insecticide what about raid tm black flag gasoline benzene hydrazine a violent poison will i go to jail for possessing a can of tomatoes that went bad with botulinus what about my mom pop qc lab where i use cyanogen bromide mustard gas to do lot analysis on certain non prescription pharmaceuticals what if i wish to use potassium cyanide to recover gold from aqua regia a license would i need a license to possess beryllium perhaps the most poisonous non radioactive metal how about beryllium copper alloy do i need a license for nitrate fertilizers which could be used to make very powerful explosive devices such as the one that the ira recently detonated killing 1 and injuring 45 can i have vinegar without license hydrogen peroxide where is the line drawn i am not a lawyer but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions yes they could but are they good ideas are they needed is there any shred of sanity in them scarcely i trust andy v cars re jeep grand vs toyota 4 runner in article 1pq29p 29p seven up east sun com jfox hooksett east sun com writes any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they arent really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser any advice on how to buy a land cruiser my local toyota dealer says they get two a year and if i want one i can just get on the waiting list forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires and if they are that rare i doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand land crusier is just simply nice with shit load of power and room fully stocked it cost 40 000 i think it is worth the money only problem is when you get into accident it doesnt usually break down unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something stupid like this body parts and other parts are very hard to locate parts are over priced also one of my friend had accident in past snow storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender well if you test drive land cruiser all other suv look like toys one of magazine writer called it land bruiser if you have 40 000 to spare for suv get land cruiser and forget lange rover sang windows remapping in procomm 4windows one can only remap special command keys in procomm it seems i would like to remap other keys too especially altgr 2 and such combinations anybody know a plain or dirty way to do this of cause most people settle for remapping function keys but i dont see why there should be a limitation yours mattias medicine prohibit for spiral meningitis i like to know how effective prohibit is to prevent spiral meningitis for a child who is five years old i heard its from canada what sort of side effects etc chul hee cho medicine re medication for parkinsons in article 19621 3049 uupcb factory com jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein writes if you want to throw around names drs donald calne terry elizan and jesse cedarbaum dont recommend selegiline not to mention dr william landau gosh jesse is that famous now he was my intern landau not liking it makes me like it out of spite just kidding bill gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars mbenz bmw question when do the new m benz c class cars come out the new nomenclature that mb has adopted will it only apply to the c class cars or will it also apply to the current s class cars does any one know what will replace the current 300 class since the c class will be smaller and more in line with the current 190 another question is bmw realising a new body style on the current 7 series and 5 series they seem to be a bit dated to me windows moving icons i remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location probably at cica kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko windows re save my hard disk allocation error cross linked brad banko writes while running the ms quick c compiler in a dos window under windows 3 1 this evening i got a program has violated system integrity close all applications exit windows and restart your computer error gawd i love windows 1 is there an easy way to restore everything to working order what might be some better approaches youll probably want to delete any damaged executables and reload them fresh data files should be examined and repaired 2 what might have caused this does the smartdrv cache make me more vulnerable im suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing youre not stupid smartdrive caches things and windows also runs a swap file which may contain data also all of this is pretty risky stuff in a pc environment the straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the f option to fix the disk and then it looks like i would probably have to reinstall windows and a few other things a reasonably accurate prediction heres a brief description of how dos stores files there are three pieces to a file the directory entry the fat chain and the data area you can think of these as a sheet of lined notebook paper a sheet of graph paper and a stack of 3x5 cards the directory entry notebook paper holds the file name actual size and first cluster number it also holds some other information thats not important right now the file allocation table fat chain graph paper tells where to find the actual data each square of graph paper holds a number if the number is zero the cluster associated with this box is available if it holds a magic number it is either the last piece of a file or a bad unuseable spot on the disk any other number tells which cluster contains the next section of the file the data area 3x5 cards is where the actual information is stored the data area is organized as clusters of a fixed size storage is doled out in chunks of one cluster each in your case one cluster is 2048 bytes as a cluster is filled another is allocated to read a file you first look at the directory entry to get the starting cluster number now you read the data from that cluster next look at the fat entry for the cluster you just read this will tell you the cluster number for the next chunk of the file naturally these numbers are usually sequential but they can jump around and even go backwards continue reading one cluster at a time as you walk this chain through the fat until you hit the marker which says its the last cluster in the file chkdsk is the dos utility that checks the sanity and coherence of the directories and the fat and can bludgeon most flaws into submission it doesnt have any intelligence so you have to double check anything it fixes now lets do a bit of a post mortem c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe c gfx vpic46 vpic txt c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg c gfx vpic46 orcpro2 cfg c gfx vpic46 vga cfg c game goose bird2 x c winmisc adv21 winadv exe allocation error size adjusted all of these files have sizes according to the fat which dont match the size reported in their directory entries chkdsk f will alter the directory entries to match the fat size in other words the directory entry for cvpic exe may say the file is 64 877 bytes long but chkdsk found a fat chain of 43 clusters attached to it my numbers obviously are made up 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains 647168 bytes disk space would be freed disk space was found which is allocated in the fat but is not attached to any directory entry chkdsk f gives you the option of converting these lost chains to files you can then examine the files file0000 chk through file0223 chk and rename or discard them or if you tell chkdsk not to convert them to files then those clusters will simply be marked available in the fat c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 c 386spart par is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 these files are both referencing the same data cluster obviously one of them at least must be wrong its interesting to note that c 386spart par is your windows swap file to fix this you should copy each cross linked file to a new name this will fix the cross link by giving the files unique data spaces now delete the cross linked files examine the copies and try to assemble them properly good luck hint missing pieces are likely to be found in those lost chains at the top 42366976 bytes total disk space 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files 153600 bytes in 67 directories 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files 1564672 bytes available on disk your disk is pretty close to full this may be the actual cause of the problem perhaps windows needed to expand its swapfile by an amount which exceeded available disk space in any case the short summary is that something trashed your fat there are utilities that can mirror your fat and help repair damage after something like this but you have to run them before the problem occurs sorry gordon s hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd gordon s hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd baseball re sid fernandez in article 1993apr15 145914 1575 csi jpl nasa gov cub csi jpl nasa gov ray miller writes i read this morning that sid fernandez left last nights game with stiffness in his shoulder does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury if indeed there is one or weather the cold air in colorado just got his joints a little stiff thanks for the help all they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder after throwing a curveball that didnt loosen because of the cold night in denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than let him pitch he is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation expected to be april 20 at shea vs the giants scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets cars re legal car buying problems in article c5sydn c2v megatest com jao megatest com john oswalt writes however if you agree some terms and then when about to sign the dealer slips you a contract with different terms and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to that is fraud there is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud you may have to sue and win to get out of this you will almost certainly have to threaten to sue on the other hand remember the old adage that a verbal agreement isnt worth the paper its printed on once you sign you are going to have one hell of a time proving fraud based on a comparison to what you thought you were going to sign being in the right is one thing proving it is another brian g gordon briang sun com briang netcom com b gordon2 on genie 70243 3012 on compuserve bgordon on aol windows strange 386 enhanced behavior howdy we have been having a real problem with an ast 386sx 16 machine with 4mb of ram we installed paradox for windows but i dont think paradox is the real problem here and the installation went ok windows is installed on a local drive paradox installed on a novell network netware 386 v3 26 or greater dos 5 win 3 1 but the program will not load in 386 enchanted mode the thermometer bar goes to 60 and we then either get a invalid command com or a windows nastygram talking about an illegal instruction ive checked out the command com thing but as a long time c programmer ive crashed my share of machines with pointer problems and this is a standard behavior anyway paradox will run in standard mode but not enhanced we also have quattro pro windows exhibiting the same behavior spent about 2 hours with borlands tech people with no avail the guy i talked to a microsoft didnt want to really dig in and help as he gave up pretty quickly somewhat disappointing really i expected more from microsoft youd think with all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all the possible problems but i guess not microsoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing uae and general protection faults sorry i cant fax anything out of here so please dont ask try microsoft which we tried we did everything they said and still no luck so if you can help please mail me this problem is driving us nuts i will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on thanks kelly this is the real signature please ignore the following demon signature kelly j grant grantk nosc mil 4045 hancock st 619 225 2562 the next time someone asks you if you san diego ca 92110 are a god you say yes kelly grant grantk manta nosc mil 619 553 0850 computer sciences corp important manta uucp wont get to me 4045 hancock street if you are given lemons see if you can trade for san diego ca 92110 chocolate me baseball re game length was re braves update in article 20apr93 15151474 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves i dont really mind the length of games either if they want to speed the games up in sensible ways thats fine with me too however what i object to is the assertion by baseball people whitey herzog buck rodgers are who ive heard say this that games are too long because hitters are taking too many pitches and that the strike zone needs to be expanded john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu baseball stats im trying to find a site that has updated daily stats more the national league ill take both leagues but im really interested in the national league how about them philadelphia sillies guns re reasonable civie arms limits in article 1993apr19 223925 2342 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes a poster claims he always asks anti gunners what they think would be reasonable personal firepower restrictions ok then caliber not greater than 32 muzzle not greater than 300 ft lbs with any combo of bullet wt vel action single shot rifles and single action revolvers revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating an anti fanning mechanism to discourage roy rogers wannabes bullets any non explosive variety hps just fine now these specs leave the 32 h r magnum as about the most powerful allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use it would be reasonably effective against home intruders muggers rabid wolves and other such nasties even with the firearm type limitations at the same time this caliber power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality of hits the chances of the average joe encountering a gang of huge individuals all drunk and stoned on pcp and crystal meth and with a bad attitude and all armed and willing to die well its about zero far less than the chances of getting killed driving your car when will you people realize that our right to keep and bear isnt primarily intended to be for protecting against criminals and beasties in the wild granted it is a big part but we also need military style weapons so we can fight off the government when they come to our door when ten agents come to my door it would be nice to be able to shoot all of them for not upholding the constitution to the best of their ability it will be a lot harder doing that with the puny weapons you listed above please read the federalist papers for all clarification on rkba these documents have cleared up plenty of misnomers that friends of mine have had matt porter mporter cis ohio state edu mporter magnus acs ohio state edu medicine re lung disorders and clubbing of fingers in article slagle 93mar26205915 sgi417 msd lmsc lockheed com slagle lmsc lockheed com writes can anyone out there enlighten me on the relationship between lung disorders and clubbing or swelling and widening of the fingertips what is the mechanism and why would a physician call for chest xrays to diagnose the cause of the clubbing purists often distinguish between true clubbing and pseudo clubbing the difference being that with true clubbing the angle of the nail when viewed from the side is constantly negative when proceeding distally towards the fingertip with pseudo clubbing the angle is initially positive then negative which is the normal situation real internists can talk for hours about clubbing im limited to a couple of minutes whether this distinction has anything to do with reality is entirely unclear but it is one of those things that internists love to paw over during rounds supposedly only true clubbing is associated with disease the problem is that the list of diseases associated with clubbing is quite long and includes both congenital conditions and acquired disease since many of these diseases are associated with cardiopulmonary problems leading to right to left shunts and chronic hypoxemia it is very reasonable to get a chest xray however many of the congenital abnormalities would only be diagnosed with a cardiac catheterization the cause of clubbing is unclear but presumably relates to some factor causing blood vessels in the distal fingertip to dilate abnormally clubbing is one of those things from an examination which is a tipoff to do more extensive examination often however the cause of the clubbing is quite apparent km guns re batf fbi revenge pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes well maybe i am overreacting this is probably the best part of your post everything else is shrill speculation tom gift tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 170720 8538 colorado edu drew kinglear cs colorado edu drew eckhardt writes most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators and ive never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one i imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods and do things that dont get them dirty like keying your car dumping sand sugar or mothballs in the gas tank tping it etc usually go enough places and youll see stuff happen you didnt think did steve baseball you could look it up yes i could look it up but i prefer to post this question to the net i read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of dummy urban myth true i gots ta know mark b mbrownel alchemy chem utoronto ca cars re opel owners in article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes newsgroups rec autos path llpost ll mit edu xn ll mit edu uhog mit edu wupost howland reston ans net ux1 cso uiuc edu news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu cka52397 from cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc subject re opel owners date tue 20 apr 93 19 45 02 gmt 5 00 message id c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu references gibbonsa 735339907 sfu ca c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu 1993apr20 223410 10923 cactus org sender usenet news cso uiuc edu net noise owner organization university of illinois at urbana lines 30 boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area the gt was based on the kadette chassis it was built model years 1969 1973 the manta came out in the 1974 model year and was a 4 seat coupe matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory 617 981 3771 244 wood street singer ll mit edu lexington ma 02173 baseball zane rescue us from simmons so far simmons looks like a total idiot 1 zane smith should learn how to switchpitch and return from the dl i would rather have zane smith pitch right handed than have moeller pitch at all 2 i am sure simmons was ready to say i told you so after otto had an impressive win last week now ottos latest debacle has restored simmons reputation now he looks like he is back in his 92 form when he had the als highest era among starters four our sake not teds sake i hope he pitches with a 3 5 era for the rest of the season yeah right 3 tomlin and merced are a bit disappointing they are still doing decently but considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters merced had a very good oba his rookie year he showed a lot of concentration at the plate in his rookie year 4 walk well he seems to be on the losing end tonight but i still think that walk desrved his contract 5 leyland should accept a part of the blame for the lavalliere situation i cant understand his and managements fear of losing tom prince through waivers even if they do whats the use he is aright hander like slaught not a very smart platoon also i am blaming leyland in this case since he is hcurrently convinced that lavalliere is through while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season and the playoffs slaught should have played in all 7 games he has a good average against right handed pitching didnt leyland and simmons forsee this last year and attempt to trade lavalliere last year itself any fool could tell them lavalliere wasnt very fit last year 6 dennis moeller is scary 7 candeleria well he is not going to have such a high era at the end of the season maybe it will be in 3 4 range but 1 million plus come on other than the customary home run giving stage patterson goes through for a few weeks patterson has served the pirates very well each year so far he seems to have pitched well for the rangers i think the pirates should have spent the money on patterson in stead 8 the rookie batters well young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact other than that their excellent performance hasnt been too much of a surprise i think we should thank doughty for that 9 rookie pitchers worse than expected especially cooke 10 slaught how come he wasnt given a contract extension last year now his value has increased immensely 11 lonnie smith well eric davis was signed for a comparable amount lets see eric can hit better he can run better he can field better now why didnt the pirates go after eric davis an injured davis is better than a healthy lonnie smith even if lonnnie smith gets some big hits this year he wont be an asset he has looked terrible on the bases and in the field 12 management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing he seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot danforth by preparing the team for a move to tampa bay 13 alex cole fiasco the pirates infield and cf positions look good the rf and lf would have looked good if we could have gotten cole to replace two of the four outfielders eric davis van slyke and cole would have made a very respectable outfield even without eric davis thye pirates would have a respectable outfield with cole svan slyke and merced i think he should hit left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting simmons did have options for the outfield ironically the biggest accomplishment of simmons tenure was getting alex cole really cheap too bad 14 compensatory draft picks for bonds forget it the pirates can rant and rave they will not get those picks as of now the issue is still being appealed now if this doesnt convince anyone that simmons and sauer are idiots nothing else will on a final note tim wakefield wont be as awful as he was in his last 2 starts but dont count on him pitching like last year for the rest of the season also if the pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the season they will miss reduss clutch hitting and his speed he has peaked in the second half of the last 2 seasons pravin ratnam cars re what car is this deloreans never had a factory v8 they were considering production with a turbo or twin turbo i forget version of the standard v6 as to who produced it you got me jonathan jdrout scott skidmore edu medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article c5sqv8 edb acsu buffalo edu sfegus ubvm cc buffalo edu wrote in article 79857 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes an odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as gumbo file this is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves this is not only a natural product but a natural product still in its natural form so maybe thats how they evade delany or maybe a special exemption was made to appease powerful louisiana democrats one possible reason is that file is made with sassafras leaves while root beer was made with sassafras bark or root bark the leaves contain either no or less saffrole than the bark there is also some sort of treatment which putatively removes saffrole from sassafras products i have some concentrated sassafras tea extract which is claimed to have the saffrole removed i think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce sell food with carcinogenic substances it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food smoking etc is this true well the last time that i went to the store to buy sassafras bark to make root beer there was a sign saying that it wasnt sold for human consumption also when i asked the person if they had wild cherry bark and wintergreen bark she made a point of telling me that i couldnt buy sassafras for human consumption i find the fact that some people reckless enough to step into an automobile live in fear of dropping dead because of a pork rib quite funny in a sick way eric pepke internet pepke gw scri fsu edu supercomputer computations research institute mfenet pepke fsu florida state university span scri pepke tallahassee fl 32306 4052 bitnet pepke fsu disclaimer my employers seldom even listen to my opinions meta disclaimer any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes thats all very well and good but i was refering to all homocides not just ones involving handguns what is this fixation on death by shooting as if it were somehow worse than death by stabbing what relevance are all homicides in this debate the issue is guns not baseball bats no the issue is reducing crime not guns if gun control doesnt lower crime overall then is doesnt address the issue even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat does that matter if assaults with a baseball bat become much more common muggers using a gun rely primarily on the threat of the gun and rarely shoot their victim a mugger using a knife is much more likely to start by stabbing his victim in an effort incapacitate him so while a knif may not be as deadly as a gun criminals are more likely to actually use the knife as opposed to threatening the victim with it it isnt at all clear that replacing the criminals gun with a knife would reduce murders stabbings might just become more common thats why it is important to look at the overall not the with gun homicide rate it avoids the issue of substitution different criminal techinques of using different weapons etc and measures what we want to prevent murders as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks face possibly however facing knife welding attackers isnt too common stabbing without warning and by supprise is the usual tactic very few criminals shoot from cover it attracts to much attention and they dont have a chance to go through your pockets overall id much rather be threatened with a gun than actually stabbed with a knife fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants actually the exact same statement is true of guns training in unarmed self defence will let you disarm an untrained gunman without much problem you also ignore the criminals reaction the national crime survey clearly shows that criminals unarmed armed with a knife gun or whatever are unwilling to risk their lives in a confrontation if faced with a serious threat almost all prefer to leave and find an easier target therefore using or threatening to use as is much more commonly the case a weapon is the best defence against an attacker regardless of how he is armed knives however are much less effective than guns criminals dont consider knifes as a serious threat nearly as often as they do guns frank crary cu boulder baseball re surgery for hal morris and then cjkuo symantec com jimmy kuo quoth does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on morris lets see i expect to be back june 15th how many games do we play before june 15th take me off the dl 3 games before june 15th it would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some number of games after he came back well either way the reds have to play a man down for 3 days jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 153 medicine re food related seizures sharon paulson paulson tab00 larc nasa gov wrote much deleted the fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by kellogs makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals of the four of us in our immediate family kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever running nose itchy eyes etc but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies nuts mushrooms many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 baseball re hbp bb big cat in article mjones 735411536 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes it would help if his obp were higher than his batting average yes the april 12 usa today lists le grand chapeau as having a 422 batting average and a 413 obp okay ill bite how can obp be lower than batting average sac flies or something ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com 415 390 3536 guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735386976 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns this is more than those beeing killed in car accidents yes there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but theyre still pretty high right i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa and youd be wrong about that too note that texas isnt unique in this more with gun deaths than with car deaths but some of the other states where it happens have extremely strict gun laws oops so much for the meaning it isnt clear that the comparision means anything anyway as car accidents are unintentional while gun deaths arent but if were going to make it lets at least be honest i should not suffer because of others we all agree on this one but we also live in a sociaty and therefor well have to give up some of our freedom note the give it up for what gun control doesnt have any benefits so it fails by this standard do you have an insurance then youll have to pay because of what others do note that insurance gives me something in return gun control doesnt what the hell is he trying to say when you live in a society usa are stilll counted as one you have to saccrifice the question is how much thats half the question the rest is and what do you get for your sacrifice if the answer to the second question is nothing as it is for gun control then we dont have to ask the first question because getting nothing means that no sacrifice is justified andy cars re warning please read in article 1qh336innfl5 cs utk edu larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car just a cliff notes version of my story follows 10pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone stuff deleted i am sorry to report that in southern california it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields many overpass bridges are now fenced and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges as if that would stop such people yet many bridges are not fenced i always look up at a bridge while i still have time to take evasive action even though this sport has not reached us here in fresno greg lewis csufresno edu photojournalism sequence department of journalism csu fresno fresno ca 93740 religion federal hearing fact or rumor madalyn murray ohare an atheist who eliminated the use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now going to appear before the fcc with a petition to stop the reading of the gospel on the airways of america and she is also campaigning to remove christmas programs songs etc from the public schools if it is true then mail to federal communications commission 1919 h street washington dc 20054 expressing your opposition to her request reference petition number 2493 religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor in article yfk8p q00wbm47t0sj andrew cmu edu david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times your last remark is a contradiction but ill let that pass i was addressing the notion of the great commission which you deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies thank you bing crosby now you go right on back to sleep and mommy and daddy will tuck you in later oh and how convenient his bible must have been to michael griffin how convenient his christianity well ill just skip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and concentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing something wrong you should shoot him in the back several times as he tries to hobble away on his crutches ill leave the convert or die program of the missionaries and their military escorts in the americas for nadja to explain as she knows much more about it than i must be awfully convenient by the way to offer platitudes as you have done david rather than addressing the arguments dean kaflowitz windows re windows speaker sound driver in article c5req8 eq2 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com tony s annese writes in article 1993apr19 235430 6097 mnemosyne cs du edu alee mnemosyne cs du edu alec lee writes is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file thats the file to clarify a little more sound exe is a self expanding archive which contains the driver which is actually called speaker drv i think ray medicine re chromium for weight loss in article 93119 141946u18183 uicvm uic edu u18183 uicvm uic edu writes there is no data to show chromium is effective in promoting weight loss the few studies that have been done using chromium have been very flawed and inher ently biased the investigators were making money from marketing it theoretically it really doesnt make sense either the claim is that chromium will increase muscle mass and decrease fat of course chromium is also used t o cure diabetes high blood pressure and increase muscle mass in athletes just as well as anabolic steroids sounds like snake oil for the 1990s where are your references i have been unable to find studies that state that chromium cures diabetese it can reduce the amount of insulin you have to take high blood pressure i have never heard of this claim before anabolic steroids i have also never heard of this claim before sounds like you are making things up and stretching the truth for god knows what reason did somebody piss you off at one time on the other hand it really cant hurt you anywhere but your wallet and place bo effects of anything can be pretty dramatic i agree with you that chromium picolinate by itself isnt likely to make a fat person thin but it can be the decisive component of an overall strategy for long term weight control and make an important contribution to good health it is important to exercise 11 12 and also avoid fat calories 9 10 chromium picolinate has shown to reduce fat and increase lean muscle 1 2 3 i will not bore you with the statistics you wouldnt believe these anyway chromium picolinate is an exceptionally bioactive source of the essential mineral chromium chromium plays a vital role in sensitizing the bodys tissues to the hormone insulin weight gain in the form of fat tends to impair sensitivity to insulin and thus in turn makes it harder to lose weight 4 insulin directly stimulates protein synthesis and retards protein breakdown in muscles 5 6 this protein sparing effect of insulin tends to decline during low calorie diets as insulin levels decline which results in loss of muscle and organ tissue by sensitizing muscle to insulin chromium picolinate helps to preserve muscle in dieters so that they burn more fat and less muscle preservation of lean body mass has an important long term positive effect on metabolic rate helping dieters keep off the fat theyve lost chromium picolinate promotes efficient metabolism by aiding the thermogenic heat producing effects of insulin insulin levels serve as a rough index of the availability of food calories so its not at all surprising that insulin stimulates metabolism 4 7 8 note that i did not say that chromium picolinate increases metabolism in summary you need to change your life style in order to loose weight and stay healthy a reduce dietary fat consumption to no more than 20 of calories eating fat makes you fat b increase dietary fiber low in calories high in nutrients c get regular aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week burn calories d take chromium picolinate daily lose fat keep muscle references 1 kaats gr fisher ja blum k abstract american aging association 21st annual meeting denver october 1991 2 evans gw int j biosoc med res 1989 11 163 180 3 page tg ward tl southern ll j animal sci 69 suppl 1 abstract 403 1991 4 felig p clin physiol 1984 4 267 273 5 kimball sr jefferson ls diabetes metab rev 4 773 1988 6 fukugawa nk minaher kl rowe jw et al j clin invest 76 2306 1985 7 fehlmann m freychet p biol chem 256 7449 1981 8 pittman cs suda ak chambers jb jr ray gy metabolism 28 333 1979 9 danforth e jr am j clin nutr 41 1132 1985 10 mccarty mf med hypoth 20 183 1986 11 bielinski r schutz y jequier e am j clin nutr 42 69 1985 12 young jc treadway jl balon tw garvas hp ruderman nb metabolism 35 1048 1986 best regards michael vincze mav asd470 dseg ti com guns new hampshire and maine non resident carry permit application for those who live near or plan to vacation in new hampshire and maine i am posting the basic info of how to apply for a ltc ccw in those states for non residents post will be in rec guns j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu baseball re rickey henderson in article 1993apr6 155118 5779 ra msstate edu js1 isis msstate edu jiann ming su writes in article ls1d6vinns65 appserv eng sun com str maredsous eng sun com todd rader writes stay in school you have a lot to learn learn what i know that 3 million dollars is a lot of money i know rickey henderson doesnt have a career out of baseball i know if he didnt have baseball he wouldnt be making near the money he is now and michael jackson jack nicholson and bill cosby wouldnt be making near as much money if they werent entertainers so whats your point i just dont understand how some athlete who only plays a sport for a living for millions of dollars say he is not being paid enough if nobody will sign him for his asking price he will be the one hurting the as will still win without him will they you cant usually take away one of the teams best players and still expect them to win or do you think the pirates will continue to win without barry bonds remeber many of these athletes have nothing if not for their athletic ability nothing they are getting paid much more than most hard working citizens and they are complaining of not enough pay so again jack nicholson gets paid much more than most hard working citizens and much more than rickey henderson for that matter i dont have a problem with them making millions my problem is when the say they arent being paid enough when they already get 3 million also their numbers get worse the reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks start making the real big salaries late in their career when they are on the decline there are exceptions of course dave parker fell apart after making his first million because he put most of that million up his nose jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com baseball re jack morris in 1993apr20 142325 1 stsci edu sandoval stsci edu writes ok roger heres a question for you say you are running an expansion team you dont have a team at the moment but the draft is coming up who are you going to pick guys who have won the most ws rings or guys who could contribute the most to your team say the reds were dumb enough to not protect larkin and the jays didnt protect alfredo who would you pick for an expansion team im pretty sure i would go with the rings as long as their salaries and ages werent too high i would want the fans to be able to identify the players i would like a championship attitude in the clubhouse as for larkin and griffin salaries aside i would have to consider which player is likeliest to contribute to a ws victory past performance age and attitude would all be integral to my decision i certainly wouldnt just haul out my copy of gillete and pick larkin as many others would and unlike many others who post to this group i hardly consider myself quali fied to make those kinds of decisions i cant believe im getting involved in this i have never been able to believe it about myself to tell you the truth its like banging your head against a stone wall cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article 1993apr23 120044 15627 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article mssc5xb3i 2cg netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes sigh here we go again actually several scdns stated that there were no definable skills that would make a hitter more likely to perform better in clutch situations vs non clutch situations however one might choose to define clutch right can you define such a skill must i if i were to say that batting average is a predictor that can be used to judge which of two hitters is more likely to get a hit on a particular plate appearance is that only valid if i can define the skill in hitting a baseball thats all ive said except i used the smaller sample of batting average in clutch situations and elsewhere on this thread sherri nichols repeats her position that batting average in clutch situations is a meaningless statistic for predicting the future it has been entirely meaningless at least if it has meaning we dont know how to find it i did not say i could predict the future ive suggested that the statistic is not necessarily meaningless heres the data for this situation non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 if you were to have been the reds manager at that time i assume you would have had some basis for letting sabo hit rather than pinch hitting samuel im sure some of that basis would have utilized prior performance you just wouldnt have used this particular aspect of prior performance is this not correct ill try to avoid being insulting but its difficult when you so cavalierly dismiss hundreds of hours of work with an i dont pretend to understand but nobody is denying that there are people who have hit well in the clutch in the past but i challenge you to find a method to predict who will hit well in the clutch in the future which after all is what you are claiming you can do since one more time i did not claim to be able to predict the future i said that i accept the above data as an indication that samuel would have had a better chance for success in that situation than sabo and i am not dismissing your work im stating my opinion you are saying that your work renders any opinion to the contrary invalid so that the retention of that opinion is some kind of insult to your work fine we have plenty of data obviously our preconceived biases must be coloring our work since you know clutch hitting is a well defined and consistent skill all of our failures not withstanding so i challenge you to prove it i guarantee you that if you can prove the existance of some form of clutch ability you will have plenty of happy sdcns dancing around you i did not say that clutch hitting is well defined i said that the data is significant to me i did not say that it is a consistent skill i have said that it is an indicator of performance under a certain set of circumstances but you arent going to win any support by merely stating a position and claiming they are stupid so i must be right and big sigh i have not not not not not not not ever called you or anyone else on r s b stupid it is nice however to see that you will consider the possibility that you actually could have some preconceived biases yeah hindsight is always 20 20 doesnt that make you bright this is a stupid argument and you know it ah i knew we could get to the name calling and theres that word you like so much a suggestion take data from 1990 1991 and attempt to come up with some method that predicts who hit well in the clutch in 1992 if that works we can then attempt to apply it to 1993 and beyond wait a minute i thought i first had to define clutch hitting do i or dont i you have made strong statements now back them up or be proven a total idiot i made two statements in my post 1 i am not convinced of your conclusions regarding clutch hitting 2 i would have hit for sabo as for 2 many of us make a number of written statements through this media about what we think will happen in baseball im not shy about it ill make the statement again i believe that by seasons end that chris sabos batting average in clutch situations will be significantly lower than his batting average in non clutch situations i cant prove that it will happen so i guess well just have to wait and see heres another one for you in 1989 1991 joe carters batting average in clutch situations was significantly below his batting average in non clutch situations each year i presume you think this is random non clutch 1585 ab 411 h 259 clutch 338 ab 68 h 201 so what could we expect in 1992 from mr carter well his composite ba through 1989 was 268 through 1990 was 262 through 1991 was 263 so i think we have a pretty good idea of what kind of batting average he can produce in 1992 he hit 264 not surprising huh also in 1992 non clutch 536 ab 144 h 269 clutch 86 ab 20 h 233 no this doesnt prove any overall statistical trend that can be used to predict future performance across the breadth of major league ballplayers it just makes me think that in 1993 joe carters batting average in the clutch is not going to be as high as his ba in non clutch situations as for 1 above i have plenty of company john dewan of stats inc is the editor of the scouting report wherein the statistics regarding clutch hitting are compiled reported and referenced in the text bill james makes numerous references to a players ability to hit well in the clutch i am not saying that i can predict the future any more than they are you and others are saying that your work renders their statements and mine meaningless i dont accept that which in your words proves that i am a total idiot stupid total idiot my my such hostility the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com cars re the 1994 mustang you know im a ford fan i must say so im looking forward to the next mustang i have faith that it will be a fine product more desireable than the camaro is now you know thats mho true thats your opinion they beat ford to the market with the camaro firebird but really only in words production of these vehicles will be limited until the end of the year keeping selling prices above msrp for the most part since there are so many twitching camaro fans out there i wouldnt press ford to hurry the mustang since the final wait could be worth it besides no bow tie fanatic is gonna buy the mustang anyway true again i wouldnt take a free mustang honest the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that fyi they already did too bad that the current mustang cant even compete with the new camaro without using an active imagination right now few cars can compare with the 93 camaro think about it 20 000 for a car that will out perform all but a few exotics if you are now swearing at me look at the stats they dont lie there are no comparable cars in its class certinaly not for its price you know intelligent critical spews like the mustang bites man some of you are already beginning i predict that the mustang and camaro will be comparable performers as usual i also agree this subject is one that will never be setteled except maybe at the track unless the ford gets the 32v 300hp romeo you dont seriously believe that it was designed for the mark viii only do you hey can you imagine the potential of a modified lt 1 folks in a few years we will surpass the levels of performance achieved in the late 60s thats scary you ford vs chevy people must live in the planet of detroit or droid like they say in the airforce with enough horsepower anything will fly i can put a 32valve v 8 with twin garret 4s on yugo and get 7 7sec qm thats useless its still a yugo that will loose any race on a track or on the street have you detroit beings compared the ultra long throw stick shifts of the 5 0 with the 93 mr2 turbo or 93 rx7 i ll buy it in 6 mos or the torsen differential of the rx7 compared to the differential of the 5 0 that sounds in every hairpin turn and bythe way 5 0 and camaro both have drums on the rear breaks hello this is the 90 s vlasis theodore software engineer just say no to signatures medicine ringing ears a friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing the ringing is so loud that she has great difficulty sleeping at night she says that she hasnt had a normal nights sleep in about 6 months she looks like it too this is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti depressants the ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago she is quickly losing sleep social life and sanity over this does anyone know of any treatments for this any experience coping mechanisms any opinions on the anti depressant drugs j f guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 151131 8531 news uit no paale stud cs uit no paal ellingsen writes in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jim de arras writes mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth the question is for how long even if the fbi had done nothing i guess the bds would have committed suicide but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them the choice between sucide or surrender the bds was warned in beforehand about the fbi action they had the chance to surrender and get a fair trial no matter who started the fire the bds were responsible for 80 peole dying no one else this is of course your opinion i differ greatly there can be no doubt the fbi at least shares in the blame paal ellingsen borgensvingen 67 102 tlf 083 50933 paale stud cs uit no 9100 kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid til alle jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 medicine re sumatripton spelling reply to roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca u i recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton i have no idea of the actual spelling that supposedly utilizes a chemical that trips neuro transmitters my mother has regular migraines and nothing seems to help does anyone know anything about this new drug is it in a testing phaze or anywhere near approval does it seem to be working i just got back from the american academy of neurology annual meeting where the consensus was that sumatriptan imitrex has no advantages over dhe 45 nasal spray which is much less expensive has fewer side effects is as effective and works more quickly 5 10 minutes vs 30 besides who wants to give themselves a shot sumatriptan when a nasal spray works dhe nasal spray is not widely available yet it has to be mail ordered from one of a few pharmacies in the country but most neurologists now know about it and know how to order it david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell religion hail stan i found this on the net at my college it sounds pretty good to me what do you folks think this are the tenets of stan as handed down and set within the holy book of stan 1 thou shalt not spill thine drinks or waste thine food for all that is is sacred and to waste is the denizen of luc the infidel all who waste today shall have not tomorrow 2 thou shalt pay heed to those who know the higher calling of stan so that they may teach you the way and that thou shalt become one with stan and the universe shall be in your hands 3 thou shalt honor thy loved ones and cherish those near you for they are the true path to happiness and happiness is a devine gift of thy lord stan 4 stan is the one true god and shall be taken before all others so that the false gods will know that he is the one and all who oppose him shall forever be banished to the form of the sheep and be sent to the flocks of luc for all eternity 5 the word is the law and the law is the word the word is within thine own heart follow the path and be true to thine own self and thou shalt be blessed by stan thy lord and saviour 6 thou shalt honor the faiths of others for it is their choice to follow this path and do not think less of others for being of a different faith yet even in the face of these false gods do not waiver in thine faith in stan and hope that the unbeliever will see the light that is stan 7 thou shalt not wrong others for being different for stan cherishes the different and holds freedom in the highest regard for to do less would be to fall in with luc the infidel for stan does not control he merely guides and lets the choice lie within thine own heart 8 thou shalt know that thy lord stan has many names and is called differently by many people but know also that stan is the true name and all those of the faith shall know that stan is god and god is stan 9 thou shalt be to the world what thou art to thineself for to be false to others is to be false to yourself thy lord stan asks not that you be like him he asks only that you be like yourself for that is all you were ever meant to be 10 thou shalt not kill the innocent nor spill blood unnecessarily for those who are deserving of death shall be dealt with by stan and sent for all eternity to the flocks of luc and those who harm the children of stan being born of woman shall be judged as the sheep of luc and spend all of time within his flocks these commandments are the words of stan heed them and he shall be happy and if thy lord stan is happy his happiness shall be passed down to his followers hail stan it seems like a pretty good set of tenets to me v i like kittens e mail robert voss die especially with rgv9488 ultb isc rit edu 25 andrews memorial dr die a side order of rgv9488 ritvax isc rit edu cpu 01479 die french fries rgv9488 ritvax bitnet rochester ny 14623 die die i am darkness eternal call me my phone number is 716 475 4197 die windows speedstar 24x windows enhanced mode hi i have a 486 66mhz sys based pc with 8m ram and a problem what is the best way to configure high memory with qemm 386max i have a speedstar 24x video card and use hyperdisk disk cache software the problem is running windows 3 1 in enhanced mode and having any high memory to load stuff high note i tried as recommended to exclude the region a000 c7ff but windows insists on starting in standard mode any suggestions dan cars re mr2 noisy engine in article 1r3oe8 c93 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes nice theory too bad the mr2s never came with a four cylinder over 2 0 liters more like 1 6 or did they were the nonturbo mr2iis 2 2 or some such foot in mouth again drew the first generation mr 2s were 1 6s which were very smooth id be real surprised if the original poster was talking about a 1st generation car the second generation cars were 2 2 for the non turbo and 2 0 for the turbo i drove the non turbo 2 2 and calling it unpleasant is to be kind to it i also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders must pay saab a royalty for using their patented design like porsches 3 0 i4 wrong and wrong mitsubishi owns the patent which has since expired which is why everybody with a shred of integrity is putting balance shafts into their big 4s the notable exception is nissan and only for the us market suckers i guess we need to write to c d and start telling them to publish graphs for engine vibration over rpm then youll see usenet discussions of the form engine a has peak vibrations 3 db less than engine b therefore engine a is better than engine b 1 2 eliot medicine re post polio syndrome information needed please dn from nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye dn briefly this is a condition in which patients who have significant dn residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the dn weakness as they get older one theory is that the remaining motor dn neurons have to work harder and so die sooner if this theory were true the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units it doesnt instead the biopsy shows scattered angulated atrophic fibers this is more consistent with load shedding by chronically overworked motor neurons the neurons survive at the expense of increasingly denervated muscle slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article 20726 2bcd8b62 ecs umass edu sylveste ecs umass edu writes before the s4 became the s4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v this model did come in a wagon a very quick wagon very rare also mike sylvester umass being a satisfied audi owner 90 100 turbo quattro my 4 th audi i get the free vag magazine the latest issue presented a new s4 avant wagon with a 4 2 litre v8 id like one of these btw this is my second quattro and my third turbo and i must say that even in the summer with dry roads the quattros give so much extra in road holding and balance that i hope i can afford them always thomas real life thomas t rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 s 751 08 uppsala sweden religion re davidians and compassion in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside we have no way to know that the cultists burned the house it could have been the batf and fbi we only have the governments word for it after all and people who started it by a no knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu baseball re and americas team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label my understanding was that ted turner owner of the braves started running his tv station nationwide and started running all of his teams games on his nationwide tv station he dubbed his team americas team that is the only team at least at the time all of whose games could be seen across america now wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus but not all mets games are on wor wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations at least they are on the east coast i dont know how many cubs sox sox games they show hymie hymowitz cs jhu edu ill be mellow when im dead weird al yankovic you get your mellow laid back attitude from sonny the cuckoo bird josh about me medicine density of the skull bone could someone tell me what the density of skull bone is or direct me to a reference that contains this info i would appreciate it very much thanks vinay vinay j rao vrao nyx cs du edu guns no surrender lenda jackson no surrender delivered by lenda jackson at the rkba rally in denver april 18 1993 it is a fact of modern life that urban residents particularly women feel threatened a certain number of them actually are threatened there are immediate threats the things that women will tell you theyre afraid of the noise downstairs at night the lonely walk to the car the stranger at the door the abusive husband finally kicked out of the house as he threatens to hurt her and their children the burglar the mugger the rapist and what are we told is the solution move get a dog keep the door locked call the police as a next to last resort learn martial arts and always theres the implied question whats a pretty little thing like you doing without a husband around to protect you but what if you dont like dogs like living alone dont have 10 years to devote learning judo what if after examining the facts a woman learns that rape victims using armed resistance were less likely to have the rape completed and were less likely to be injured kleck 124 than those using any other form of resistance kleck 126 also true for robbery assault kleck 123 what if to our horror and despair we find that citizens cannot depend on the police for effective protection they usually respond after a crime has been committed in truth the supreme court has held that the police are not responsible for protecting any individual only the whole community as a society are we going to ask women once again to sacrifice themselves are we going to continue to deny women the ability to help themselves heres a thought neil smith in his book the probability broach says no 220 pound thug can threaten the well being or dignity of a 110 pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out but if a woman decides to protect herself with the easiest most efficient means possible people especially other women are horrified eughh how could you id be terrified they ask how could you hurt someone theyll repeat the lie itll just get taken away from you in truth 1 of defensive gun uses result in the offender taking the gun away from the victim 122 kleck well despite the lies and the social pressure some of us have already made that hard choice weve decided that we are not going to be victimized by the muggers burglars or rapists were buying more guns than every before were learning how to use them and teaching others women and men how to use them most importantly we are preparing ourselves mentally to use our firearms for our own defense were taking our own security literally into our own hands were going to stop begging and pleading and marching and what we intend is to really take back the night but theres another threat more insatiable than any mugger more secretive than any burglar more soul destroying than any rapist that menace is government and it threatens us all we know that governments throughout time have suppressed rights and oppressed people its the way they survive in our names and with our money it interferes with innocent people both at home and abroad it lies to us cheats us steals from us and threatens us with violence no one knows exactly what itll do next what freedom we will lose because some government goon decides its for your own safety or we know best any person who acted like government does would be psychoanalyzed within an inch of his life and locked up as a habitual offender but this monster called government persists and grows and we who should be its masters have become its unwilling slaves do you doubt me then why did you file your income tax like any reasonable person i believe that being afraid of something that can hurt you is smart and that paranoia isnt crazy if someones really after you and make no mistake theyre after you and theyre after me their names are familiar brady and reynolds groff metzenbahm moynihan and clinton if were lucky theyll settle for our assault rifles our shotguns our handguns and our ammunition as citizens we have only two choices they are the same two choices given to women to surrender or to fight surrender leads to the gulag to the genocide of pol pot to the disappearances to dachau i do not intend to surrender a battle can be philosophical or political in the main the people keep the government honest by threatening to vote it out of office but if they have to they will keep in mind the words of thomas jefferson the tree of liberty must be well watered with the blood of patriots as a patriot i will point out the error in the governments ways i will do my best to vote the villains out of office i will protest and write and speak and teach our children justice honor and truth and always remember that rebellion can lead to bunker hill and saratoga or it can lead to tiananmen square when the time comes to stand up if i have to give my life to keep them from going too far if there is a tiananmen square in our future i intend to be there and no matter what lies they tell and no matter what laws they pass i intend to meet them with something more substantial in my hand than a brick my opinions are of course my own medicine great post was re candida yeast bloom very long great post martin very informative well balanced and humanitarian without neglecting the need for scientific rigor cross posted to alt psychology personality since some personality typing will be discussed at the beginning note ive set all followups to sci med since most of my comments are more sci med oriented and im sure most of the replies if any will be med related in article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes i can not believe the way this thread on candida yeast has progressed steve dyer and i have been exchanging words over the same topic in sci med nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well they are just responding in their natural way hyper choleric syndrome hcs oops that is not a recognized illness in the psychological community better not say that since it therefore must not and never will exist actually it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians will type out as nt for those not familiar with the myers briggs system just e mail me and ill send a summary file to you in the general population nts comprise only about 12 of the population but among physicians it is much much higher i dont know the exact percentage any help here a p p ers one driving characteristic of an nt especially an ntj is their obvious choleric behavior driver type a etc the extreme emotional need to control to lead and or to be the best or the most competent if they are also extroverted they are best described as field marshalls this trait is very valuable and essential in our society we need people who want to lead to strive to overcome the elements to seek and thirst for knowledge to raise the level of competency etc the great successes in science and technology are in large part due to the vision an n trait and scientifically minded approach t trait of the nt personality of course the other types and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well however when the nt person has self image challenges the dark side of this personality type usually comes out which should be obvious to all a physician who is a strong nt and who has not learned to temper their temperament will be extremely business like lack of empathy or feeling and is very compelled to have total control over their patient the patient must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question ive known many m d s of this temperament and suffice to say i dont oblige them with a followup visit no matter how competent i think they are and they usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an extreme drive of theirs to know the most to know it all maybe we need more nf doctors enough on this subject lets move on to candida bloom let me tell you who the quacks really are these are the physicans who have no idea how the human body interacts with its environment and how that balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics could it just be professional jealousy i couldnt help elaine or jon but somebody else did youve helped me already by your post of course i believe that i have been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from anal retentivitis but being the phlegmatic i am maybe i was just a little too harsh on a few people myself in past posts lets all try to raise the level of this discussion above the level of anal effluent humans have all kinds of different organisms living in the gi system mouth stomach small and large intestine sinuses vagina and on the skin these are nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune system is compromised they are also called nonpathogens because unlike the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease they do not produce toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body but any of these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up residence within the body a poor mucus membrane barrier can let this happen and vitamin a is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier in my well described situation in prior posts i definitely was immune stressed blood tests showed my vitamin a levels were very low my sinuses were a mess no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged i also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years in the end even two weeks of ceftin did not work and i had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial infection of the sinuses via cat scans mucus color wont get into the details and other symptoms three very traditional ents made this diagnosis i did not have any cultures done however because of the difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed a bacterial infection enough of this background provided to help you understand where i was when i make comments about my sporanox anti fungal therapy below the first question i have is this can fungus penetrate a little way into poor mucus membrane tissue maybe via hyphae thus causing symptoms without being considered systemic in the classic sense it is sort of an inbetween infection steve got real upset with elaines doctor because he was using anti fungals and vitamin a for her gi problems if steve really understoood what vitamin a does in the body he would not or at least should not be calling elaines doctor a quack i was concerned too because of the toxicity of vitamin a my doctor after my blood tests put me on 75 000 iu of vitamin a for one week only then dropped it down to 25 000 iu for the next couple of weeks i also received zinc and other supplementation since all of these interrelate in fairly complex ways as my doctor explained hes one of those evil orthomolecular specialists i had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin a was normal he then stopped me on all vitamin a except for some in a multi vitamin supplement and made sure that i maintain a 50 000 iu day of beta carotene call me carrot face hopefully elaines doctor will take a similar careful approach and to all supplements im even reevaluating some supplements im taking for example niacin in fairly large dosages 1 gram day which steve dyer had good information about on sci med nutrition if niacin only has second order improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies then it probably is not worth taking such a large dose long term and risking liver damage survives if it gets access to a lot of glucose it blooms and over rides the other organisms living with it in the sinuses gi tract or vagina in though i do now believe based on my successful therapy with sporanox that i definitely had some excessive growth of fungus unknown species in my sinuses i still want to ask the question have there been any studies that demonstrate candida blooms in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation sinusitis rhinitis my sinus irritation reduced significantly after one week of sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this time i did not have any noticeable gi track problems before starting on sporanox but some for a few days after which then went away considered normal btw my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books sorry cant remember which one and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950s which stated that people can develop contained non lethal or non serious aspergillis infestations aspergiliosis of the sinuses leading to sinus inflammation symptoms ill have to dig out that reference again since it is relevant to this discussion some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus membrane or skin bloom site whether this is an allergic like reaction to the candida or not isnt certain my doctor tested me i believe a rast or rast similar test for allergic response to specificially candida albicans and i showed a strong positive another question would everybody show the same strong positive so this test is essentially useless and assuming it is true that candida can grow part way into the mucus membrane tissue and the concentration exceeds a threshold amount could not a person who tests as having an allergy to candida definitely develop allergic symptoms such as mucus membrane irritation due to the bodys allergic response as i said in an earlier post one does not need to be a rocket scientist or have a m d degree or a ph d in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis btw and ill repost this again dr ivker in his book sinus survival has routinely given before anything else nizoral a pre sporanox systemic anti fungal not as safe and not as good as sporanox to his new chronic sinusitis patients if they have been on antibiotics four or more times in the last two years he claims that out of 2000 or so patients well over 90 notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms but it doesnt cure it by any means implying the so called yeast fungus infection is not the primary cause but a later complication hes also found that nystatin whether taken internally or put into a sinus spray does not help this implies of course assuming that excessive yeast fungus bloom is aggravating the sinus inflammation that the yeast fungus has grown partway into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast fungus other than by direct contact it is not absorbed into the blood stream again i admit lots of ifs and implies which doesnt please the hard core nt who has to have the double blind study or its a non issue but one has to start with some plausible hypothesis explanation a strawman if you will if its internal only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty nondescript this brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny and reject any and all aspects of the yeast hypothesis until the appropriate studies are done and that is if you cant observe or culture the yeast bloom in the gut or sinus then theres no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease and i know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body its a real catch 22 another catch 22 those who totally reject the yeast hypothesis say that no studies have been done actually studies have been done but if its not up to a certain standard then it is from their perspective a non study which should not even be considered i agree that the appropriate studies should be done and that will take big to do it right however in order to convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets you literally have to give them evidence and the only acceptable evidence to compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study needed funding that is you have to do 90 of the study before you even get funding as a scientist at a national lab im very aware of this for the smaller funded projects im afraid that even if dr ivker and 100 other doctors got together pooled their practices case histories and anecdotes into a compelling picture and approach the funding agencies they would get nowhere even if they were able to publish their statistical results it is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have decided excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to noticeable non lethal symptoms does not exist and is not even a tenable hypothesis so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence to the contrary will never change their mind and not only that they would also oppose the needed studies because in their minds its a done issue excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not will not and cannot exist period kind of tough to dialog with those who hold such a viewpoint kind of reminds me of lister candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in the sinuses the gi tract mouth stomach and intestines and in the vaginal tract which compete with it for food the human immune system ususally does not bother itself with these nonpathogenic organisms unless they broach the mucus membrane barrier if they do an inflammatory response will be set up most americans are not getting enough vitamin a from their diets about 30 of all americans die with less vitamin a than they were born with u s autopsy studies while this low level of vitamin a does not cause pathology blindness it does impair the mucus membrane barrier system this would then be a predisposing factor for a strong inflammatory response after a candida bloom arent there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the sinus mucus membranes and cilia while diabetics can suffer from a candida bloom the most common cause of this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main competition for candida as far as food is concerned while drugs are available to handle candida many patients find that their doctor will not use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection the toxicity of the anti fungal drugs does warrant some caution but if the gi or sinus inflammation is suspected to be candida and recent use of a broad spectrum antibiotic is the smoking gun then anti fungal use should be approrpriate just as the anti fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring vaginal yeast infections in spite of what mr steve dyer says again the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast fungus species can grow hyphae roots into deep tissue similar to mold growing in bread you can continue to kill the surface such as nystatin does but you cant kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic anti fungal such as itraconazole sporanox or some of the older ones such as nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective this is why as has been pointed out by recent studies sent to me by a doctor ive been in e mail contact with thanks that nystatin is not effective in the long term treatment of gi tract candidiasis its like trying to weed a garden by cutting off whats above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come out again once you walk away the 60000 question is whether a contained candida bloom can partially grow into tissue through the mucus membranes causing some types of symptoms in susceptible people e g allergy without becoming systemic in the classical sense of the word something in between strictly an excessive bloom not causing any problems and the full blown systemic infection that is potentially lethal in the gi system the ano rectal region seems to be a particularly good reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very favorable environment around the rectum for transfer through moisture and humidity of candida to the vaginal tract one of the most effctive ways to minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear also if one is an anal retentive like ive been diagnosed in a prior post that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth if the bloom occurs in the anal area the burning swelling pain and even blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids if the bloom manages to move further up the gi tract very diffuse symptomatology occurs abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool this positive stool for occult blood is what sent elaine to her family doctor in the first place after extensive testing he told her that there was nothing wrong but her gut still hurt on to another doctor and so on richard kaplan has told me throiugh e mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of false positives candida blooms guys if my gut hurt me on a constant basis i would want it fixed yes its nice to know that i dont have colon cancer but what then is causing my distress when i finally find a doctor who treats me and gets me 90 better steve dyer calls him a quack as ive said in private e mail there are flaws in our current medical system that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt alternative therapies after the approved proven accepted therapies dont work for example i went to three ents who all said that i will just have to live with my acute chronic sinusitis after the abs failed they did mention surgery to open up the ostia but my ostia werent plugged and it would not get to the root cause of my condition after three months of aggressive and fairly non standard therapy sporanox body nutrient level monitoring and equalization vitamin c lentinen echinacea etc my health has vastly improved to where i was two years ago before my health greatly deteriorated of course skeptics would say that maybe if i did nothing i would have improved anyway but that view is stretching things quite far because of the experience of the three ents i saw who said that id just have to live with it im confident i will reach what one could call a total cure the anti fungal program i undertook was one necessary step in that direction because of my overuse of abs for the last four years note for those having sinus problems may i suggest the book by dr ivker i mention above be sure to get the revised edition i have often wondered what an m d with chronic gi distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his patients is a non existent syndrome dr ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems and his visits to several ents totally floored him when they said youll just have to live with it he spent several years trying everything standard and non standard until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis he now shares his approach in his book and i can honestly say that i am on the road to recovery following some parts of it his one recommendation to take a systemic anti fungal at the beginning of treatment if you have a history of anti biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own practice im sure if i commented to him of the hard core beliefs of the anti yeast hypothesis posters that he would have definite things to say such as its worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases to put it mildly i also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating their moral obligations to help the patient maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the hypothetical yeast overgrowth e g they fit some of the profiles the pro yeast people have identified should consider anti fungal therapy if all other avenues have been exhausted remember theory and practice are two different things you cannot have one without the other they are synergistic if a doctor does something non standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a thousand of his patients shouldnt you at least sit up and take notice maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works instead of why it shouldnt work im afraid a lot of doctors have become so enamored with scientific correctness that they are ignoring the patients they have sworn to help you have to do both both have to be balanced which we dont see from some of the posters to this group there comes a point when you just have to use a little common sense and maybe an empirical approach such as trying a good systemic anti fungal such as sporanox after having exhausted all the other avenues i was one of those who the traditional medical establishment was not able to help so i did the natural thing i went to a couple of doctors who are somewhat outside this establishment and as a result i have found significant relief would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up some kind of mechanism where any doctor without fear of being sued or having his license pulled can try experimental and unproven beyond a doubt therapies for his her patients that finally reach the point where all the accepted therapies are ineffective id like to hear a doctor tell me well ive tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this country and since they clearly dont work for you i now have the authority to use experimental unproven techniques that seem to have helped others i cant promise anything and there are some risks you will have to sign something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of these unproven therapies and ill have to register your case at the state board anyway if my ent had suggested this to me i wouldve jumped on this pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who for either altruistic reasons or for greed is practicing these alternative therapies with much risk to him her risk meaning losing their license and possibly to the patient such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free it also would be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the compassion of the medical community to the patient that its doing everything it can within reason to help the patient it is the lack of such a mechanism that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies some of which seem to work like my case and others of which will never work at all true quackery i better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500k in size if taken orally it can also become a major bacteria in the gut through aresol sprays it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes but before this innoculation occurs the mucus membrane barrier system needs to be strengthened this is accomplished by vitamin a vitamin c and some of the b complex vitamins diet surveys repeatedly show that americans are not getting enough b6 and folate these are probably the segement of the population that will have the greatest problem with this non existent disorder candida blooms after antibiotic therapy what dosage of b6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper working of the mucos memebranes some of the above material was obtained from natural healing by mark bricklin published by rodale press as well as notes from my human nutrition course i will be posting a discussion of vitamin a sometime in the future along with reference citings to point out the extremely important role that vitamin a plays in the mucus membrane defense system in the body and why vitamin a should be effective in dealing with candida blooms another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate intake during the treatment phase this is especially important if the gi system is involved if candida can not get glucose its not going to out grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria which can use amino acids and fatty acids for energy a chance to take over and keep the candida in check once carbohydrate is returned to the gut id like to see the role of complex carbohydrates such as starch if steve and some of the other nay sayers want to jump all over this post fine i jumped all over steve in sci med nutrition because he verbably accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctors use of vitamin a and anti fungals for a candida bloom in her gut people seeking advice from newsnet should not be treated this way those of us giving of our time and knowledge can slug it out to our hearts content if you saved your venom for me steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly seeking help alone i wouldnt have a problem with your behavior brave soul you are the venom on usenet can be quite toxic unless one develops an immunity to it one year ago my phlegmatic self would have backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis but my immune system and my computer system have been hardened from gradual desensitization i now kind of like being called anal retentive it has a nice ring to it i also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the post truly classic worthy of a blue or maybe brown ribbon i might even cross post it to alt best of internet hmmm martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine thanks again for a great and informative post i hope others who have researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their thoughts as well no matter their views on this subject jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is windows wanted xterm emulator for windows 3 1 hello i am looking for a xterm emulator which runs under windows 3 1 please reply via e mail thanks chera bekker h g bekker e mail bekker tn utwente nl faculty of applied physics voice 3153893107 university of twente fax 3153354003 the netherlands medicine re science and methodology in article c5i2bo cg9 news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes the difference between a nobel prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology it depends on the quality of their thinking it really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical studies and im especially offended by russell turpins repeated assertion that science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes doesnt get you anywhere i think that lee lady and i are talking at cross purposes above lady seems concerned with the contrast between great science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre science that makes smaller steps in most of this thread i have been concerned with the difference between what is science and what is not lee lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between einstein and the average post doc physicist is the quality of their thought but what is the difference between einstein and a genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts are scientifically screwy some would give velikovsky or korzybski as examples if you dont like these choose your own i say it is the same as the difference between the mediocre physicist and the mediocre proponent of qi both einstein and the mediocre physcists have disciplined their work from the cumulative knowledge of how previous researchers went wrong both velikovsky and the mediocre proponent of qi have failed to do this let me approach this from a second direction when one is asked to review a paper for a journal or conference there are many kinds of criticism that one can make one kind of criticism is that the work is just wrong or misinformed another kind of criticism is that the work while technically correct is either not important or not interesting the first difference is the one that i have been pointing to the second difference is the one that lee lady seems to be discussing if good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit to homeopathic remedies this would certainly be valuable information but it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science this is where you and i disagree with turpin i have often pointed out that for homeopathy to be considered scientific what is needed is a test of its theoretical claims not just of some of its proposed remedies similarly i suspect that traditional chinese medicine has many remedies that work what it lacks as one example is any experiment that tests the presence of qi in order to have science one must have a theoretical structure that makes sense not a mere collection of empirically validated random hypotheses certainly a theoretical structure that makes sense is the goal in areas where we do not yet have this i see nothing wrong with forming and testing smaller hypotheses lets face it we cannot always wait for an einstein to come along and make everything clear for us sometimes those of us who are not einstein have to plug along and make small amounts of progress as best we can russell religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality rich bellacera amail amdahl com writes the results of the passing amendment in colorado has created an organization whos posters are appearing all over colorado called s t r a i g h t i forget the whole definition off hand but the last part was against immoral gross homosexual trash and their motto is working for a fag free america with an implicit advocation for violence i live in colorado and have never heard of such a group obviously claims that their posters are appearing all over colorado are a tad overdone this is sick and it seems to be what you and mr hudson and others are embracing hardly saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from working for a fag free america saying that i wouldnt want a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean i endorse against immoral gross homosexual trash we christians have a loooooooooong tradition of coersion and oppression towards those we feel dont measure up and now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we dont teach our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable alternative lifestyle then they will have it done for us no thanks the gospel i believe is not so negative rather it seeks ways to include people absolutely and the message is always go and sin no more not go and do whatever feels good one question at the start of your post you wrote i know many gays and i will not turn my back on them or their right to be free form discrimination i may have lost face with the greater christian community for the unpopularity of my beliefs but so did the abolitionists against the oppression of african americans many were even killed and treated as runaway slaves for being nigger lovers and such i guess ive decided the challenge is worth it this sounds real nice but struck me as a little odd youre presenting yourself as if you were a straight xian who is sticking his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support of gays in the church but i was under the impression that you yourself are gay thats all well and fine but presenting yourself as sticking out your neck to help repressed others seems a bit untruthful under the circumstances walter cars re dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help in article 1qvrnpinnnid shelley u washington edu yongje hardy u washington edu yong je lim writes here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks this is a tricky situation if the previous owner didnt inform the dealer of the odometer change then the previous owner committed fraud and he may be liable the dealer may also be liable if the previous owner notified the dealer or if the previous owner had the dash replaced at a dealer or if the previous owner had the dash changed legally any records search on the car should turn up the fact that the odometer had been altered if a dealer changes the speedometer he has to report it it goes into the cars service record with the manufacturer and on the title if i remember correctly the dealer told me that the old mileage etc were sent to ford when my t birds speedo was replaced if the odometer can be set to the old mileage it must be if it cant eg electrically driven odometers then the mileage of the old odometer must be written on a permanent sticker which is affixed to the door frame of the vehicle either way if the change had been done legally then a records search which the dealer almost certainly did should have turned it up call your states department of transportation public safety motor vehicles or your tag agent to find out for certain what your rights are your states attorney general will know for certain james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may15 030210 4755 ccsvax sfasu edu z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu writes after hearing endless debate read name calling over which os is better dos and windows or os 2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple of different operating systems i have decided to put the two products to a head to head test as so many fellow newsposters have suggested i have however no desire whatsoever to use a version of os 2 which wont really do what it says i e run windows apps os 2 2 0 2 1 will not run windows apps in 386 enhansed mode something that most larger windows apps require but os 2 2 2 which is supposed to be in beta test is supposed to i have heard that os 2 2 2 beta is available via ftp and i was wondering if anyone knew where to obtain a copy i would appreciate any information as i would like once and for all to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs i dont think the question is will os 2 x x run windows y y apps now a more important question is will subsequent os 2 versions continue to run apps from subsequent windows versions in the future can it keep up will a future os 2 3 0 run windows 4 apps ole2 is very complex and is the sign of things to come after this fall i believe ibm no longer has any rights to view microsoft code after that the only way to maintain some sort of compatibility is to reverse engineer would you want to reverse engineer an ole2 application john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa cars re too fast in 1993apr14 045526 21945 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1qg19v 5ju umcc umcc umich edu mhartman umcc umcc umich edu mark hartman writes i dont know why you are complaining about 130 alot of us have cars that can easily top that most that go 130 are built to do it also and can handle the speed why complain and just join in on the fast fun can i ask have any of you been at the speed of 130 its a rush driving 130 in a straight line is fine you very soon become aclimated to it its only a rush when there are corners that you dont think you can make on a clear autobahn 130 is nothing in the u s 99 of people and all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise sure but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130 dont get me wrong i love to drive quickly and they say my probe will do 130 but thats 30 more than ive ever tried in it cause there isnt a decent enough piece of road hereabouts craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo mi bk405 cleveland freenet edu im naked in the school sleepyhead bob medicine re earwax bobm ingres com bob mcqueer writes one question i do have a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining trapped water said he told swimmers to do this after swimming too it works but it stings like the devil so ive always been content to let any water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get out by itself if shaking my head a few times wont do the trick any comments when i have trouble its usually because of water trapped by some remaining wax i dont see why you cant just let it evaporate it should do this eventually j nets levin bbn com earn more sessions by sleeving pots 617 873 3463 n1mnf roxanne kowalski cars dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks yongje u washington edu religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian im curious to know if christians ever read books based on critique on the religion classical text such as age of reason by paine or the myth maker by jacobi sometimes it is good to know your enemy and if you want to do serious research you have to understand both sides and not solely the one and only right one yes one does i examined a critique of the book of romans by i think benjamin franklin once a deist i found it amazing that benjamin franklin missed the whole boat i also have the writings on thomas jefferson sitting on my shelf and it is amazing how much he missed i have studied platos theory of forms and aristotelian hylomorphesism what a pile of junk jesus makes plato and aristotle look like kindergardeners psychology the id ego superego by freud elements of truth but jesus explained it far better and gave reasons thomas paine benjamin franklin thomas jefferson are mere men they can screw up the bible just as well as any man i do not put these men on a pedestal and if i remember t j s autobiography correctly he thought thomas paine was the most unread man he ever met heres some more circular reasoning to you paul says to the corinthians that that the gospel will be foolishness to the world because it is spiritually discerned and so people without the spirit of god havent a clue to what the bible is saying from your point of view thats incredibly circular and convenient to me it is mysteriously and supernaturally bizarre i can see it but you cant this is not arrogance on my part trust me it is as bizarre to you as it is to me but nonetheless it is a truth explainable or not are any of you color blind to red and green i am remember those dot tests they do at the optomologists they put pictures in front of you and you are supposed to identify the pattern in the dots if your eyes are perfectly normal you can see letters or numerals embedded in the dots they are a slightly different color and stand out from the background but if you are color blind to red and green you will not see anything but gray shaded dots that is how a dot test appears to me i do not see a pattern at all a normal seeing person will see the patterns and to him i seem like a total anomaly to him i appear as if i am missing the universe or something it is hard for him to understand why i cant see anything that to him is as plain as day that it what it is like with the bible the word of god to the believer the believer can see the meaning in the words i can see how the patterns fit together there is such depth such consistency but then on the other hand i notice the non believer he doesnt see it he thinks i am weird because he thinks i am seeing things i look at him and say no you are weird you do not see then it is time for a sanity check i go to another christian and say do you see this and they go yes it is an x and i say thank god i see the x too it is truly the strangest thing it adds a little extra dimension to the phrase he will make the blind see and the deaf hear i am glad that jesus has enabled me to see i wish every non believer could see what they are missing guns re cnn for sale if anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors you can put me down for 1000 00 under the conditions above keith emmen kde boi hp com medicine how often do kids fall sick etc our 20 month son has started falling sick quite often every since he started going to day care he was at home for the first year and he did not fall sick even once now it seems like he has some sort of cold or flu pretty much once a month most of the time the cold leads to an ear infection as well with the result that he ends up being on antibiotics 3 weeks out of 4 i know kids in day care fall sick more often but we are beginning to wonder how often more often really is whether our son is more susceptible or has lower immunity than average what the longer term effects of constantly being sick and taking antibiotics are and what we can do to build up his resistance he really enjoys his day care and we think its great too but we are beginning to wonder whether we should think about getting a nanny are there any studies that can help answer some of these questions how often do kids in their first second and third years fall sick how often do they get colds flus ear infections is there any data on home care vs day care does being sick build immunity leading to less illness later does it make kids weaker leading to more illness later or does it not have any long term effect does taking antibiotics on a regular basis have any negative long term effects how does one tell if a child is more susceptible to illness than normal and what does one do about it is there any way to build immunity and resistance any data information or advice relating to this would be much appreciated thanks a lot ashwin medicine re food related seizures michael covington mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu wrote how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin little alflatoxin on commercial cereal products and certainly wouldnt cause seizures david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 medicine copper bracelet sabona by dr john sorenson i have seen copper bracelet by the name of sabona created by dr john sorenson i am looking for literature on the effectiveness of copper bracelet in dealing with arthritis i know in one case a 70 year old person developed bruise at the base of her left thumb after wearing the copper bracelet on her left wrist for several months she was told the bruise is normal and would disappear is the bruise reason to be concerned should the person discontinued wearing the copper bracelet could anyone kindly point me to literature on copper bracelet what are the other information on copper bracelet your response would be very much appreciated thank you lau hon wah cars re review 1989 ford taurus sho excerpts from rec autos 26 apr 93 re review 1989 ford tauru by mark w rice mozart colu in article 24326 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us dav id bonds writes gk occasionally i have trouble shifting into reverse the shifter gk refuses to enter the gate and i often grind the synchros trying to gk get it into gear ill be watching this carefully in the next couple gk of months enter 1st wait 2 3 seconds and then go into reverse they use the same synchros and youll never at least i havent ground em to fit when using this technique or do like the manual says and put it in 3rd first then you can quickly go into reverse no waiting one more way which works in manual trans cars ive driven and it is my personal favorite the other suggestions above are great but try this one too while pushing the shifter gently towards reverse let the clutch out slowly right to the friction point and the shifter will be pulled into position if you do it right the car wont jump backward nor will the gears grind you will just glide back sam baseball winfield has re 200 sbs 200 hrs in article mjones 735584681 fenway mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com mike jones writes dans fore csd sgi com dan steinman writes last night on the giants mets radio broadcast hank and ted were discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career while hojo was batting anyone have a list not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them i couldnt mays mantle aaron henderson morgan bonds dad frank robinson molitor yount guessing now id be interested to see the whole list first please watch your line lengths not everyone has autowrap second franklin to the rescue heres the list player hr sb aaron 755 240 mays 660 338 frobinson 586 204 rjackson 563 228 winfield 406 216 dawson 377 304 baylor 338 285 bobonds 332 461 wynn 291 225 strawberry 280 201 morgan 268 689 pinson 256 309 yount 235 247 kgibson 208 253 sandberg 205 297 players marked with an are still active numbers through 1991 thats only 15 the 16th is probably rickey henderson who was listed at 184 hr 994 sb or george brett listed as 186 sb 291 hr the surprises probably reggie bayor and wynn for steals maybe morgan to a lot of people for homers i was kind of surprised to realize that sandberg has that many steals though i wasnt surprised that the number was 200 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dreams are real while they last can we say more of life havelock ellis baseball ozzie smith a defensive liability in article 1993apr17 200602 8229 leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph 735027990 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 the wizards 1988 is the second highest year ever still very good but i dont like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability thats rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until he reaches his seventy third birthday or something why is it such a strange concept that a forty one year old ozzie smith might be a defensive liability in 1996 ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers cars re changing oil by self in article 13798 news duke edu infante acpub duke edu andrew infante write s youre actually worried about somebody stealing your oil ahhh yes andrew we meet again no not stealing the oil just draining it as to leave me stranded cmon you think a vandalll do that let me guess youre from hudson ohio thats absolutely ridiculous get out and see the world if i were the vandal and i really hated someone maybe someone who knew something about cars of course i would look for any types of valves i could undo especially special oil drain plugs and radiator petcocks as well as putting bad things in the gas while i would never vandalize someones car if i were to it would probably be the time bomb approach and im sure im not the only one who thinks that way steve guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article c5rrot mmm rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayne jacques fontenot writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr19 184303 6205 stortek com vojak icebucket stortek com bill vojak writes 5 point out that even if the fire was set by someone inside of the building it came as a direct result of the actions of the fbi batf and the people inside including 17 children deserved a trial instead of this well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv to get the trial they deserved instead they chose to set fire to their compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas correction the fbi says that the davidians set fire to their buildings and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch well the attorneys of the davidians reported on larry king that the tanks had actually damaged the structure to the extent that effectuating egress from the building was difficult at best with a rapidly spreading fire and large amounts of smoke and tear gas finding the right exits or acceptible holes in the walls were nearly impossible i find this explanation to be completely plausible doesnt mean that its true but i dont find it intrinsically less believable than the government stories the fbi also said that the davidians had a methanphetamine lab in their basement and that the davidians had 50 cal machine guns do you believe everything the fbi says do you disbelieve everything the fbi says i balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the independent facts as i see them on video i usually adopt the scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios i concur the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous indeed according to the lawyers the davidian survivors say that lanterns were knocked over during the probing and thats how the fire started a tragic accident if true do you trust that snivelling little piece of sh t special agent ricks he seems to think he is a comedian and the media who laugh at his sick jokes are just as guilty as he imho up until now the batf had been making me sick today the people inside the compound who set the fire made me sick keeping the children inside the compund when they should have been released earlier with the other people weeks ago is absolutely inexcuseable not releasing them before deciding to set the place afire is the work of madmen two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members correction the fbi says that two of the nine said the fire was deliberately set by the sect members if the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound i would have expected far more cult members to flee the compound or at least come out shooting see above this one is going to be thoroughly investigated maybe well eventually get some idea of what happened my view is that from beginning to end this operation was a botch and that it is completely possible that nut cases who were otherwise law abiding citizens were victims of a bureaucratic execution paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu i would give the devil benefit of the law for my own safetys sake from a man for all seasons by robert bolt cars gm may build toyota badged car this appeared today in the the japan economic journal reported gm plans to build a toyota badged car in the us for sale in japan bruce macdonald vp of gm corporate communications yesterday confirmed that gm president and ceo jack smith had a meeting recently with tatsuro toyoda president of toyota this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase gm exports to japan including further component sales as well as completed vehicle sales parts sales the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an arrangement whereby gm would build a toyota badged right hand drive vehicle in the us for sale by toyota in japan a working group has been formed to finalize model specifications exact timing and other details cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes my car was recently destroyed in a hail storm i fully expected to get jerked around by the insurance company i wasnt the only one who had hail damage state farm opened its claim centers on evenings and weekends and flew down additional adjusters from dallas i have no experience with state farm but i think its important to differentiate your experience from a typical accident hail damage is clearly not the fault of the owner and also tends to be well publicized in the media so its to the ins co s benefit to respond promptly and helpfully damage like this doesnt imply anything about the likelihood of future claims unless you live in an area that gets frequent damaging hail storms so theres no reason for them to stop covering you thats a lot different from at fault accidents or theft related claims which may be more indicative of claim patterns guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes fret not you made it i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won not while we still have our guns evil grin hey gang its not about duck hunting or about dark alleys its about black clad helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law are you ready to defend your constitution glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu baseball re hits stolen centerfield 1992 in article steph 735350048 pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops lankford r 39 4 12 007 844 martinez d 21 5 16 017 660 butler b 1 29 5 088 716 american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops wilson w 47 26 0 125 787 felix j 22 0 32 063 713 i suspect that splits such as these are the result of positioning an outfielder who is fast and gets a good jump would be expected to catch a lot of balls preventing both singles and doubles and also cut off more uncatchable balls turinging doubles into singles however a fielder who plays shallow will catch more short flies and fewer long flies this means that he will allow fewer singles but more doubles has anyone seen these players positioning do butler and felix play deep and lankford martinez and wilson shallow or is this a park effect i thought butler liked to play shallow david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me baseball re best record ever in baseball in article 1psl0jinnam3 jhunix hcf jhu edu admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu steve c liu writes of all teams i believe the cubs have the best record ever in baseball sometime way far back 110 and something i think it was the 1954 cleveland indians with 111 cars re dumb options list in a previous article parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr says the idea here is to list pointless options you know stuff you can get on a car that has no earthly use 1 a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running and plug ins in the trunk engine compartment and cabin feel free to add on regards charles x within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com cars rec autos welcome to to the new reader archive name rec autos part1 most recent changes 15 march 1993 addition of alt autos karting rpw welcome to rec autos this article is sent out automatically each month and contains a general description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups and some suggested guidelines for discussions the keywords monthly posting will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of newsreaders with kill facilities this article is posted to all autos groups but followups are directed only to rec autos if you dont understand what this means ask your system administrator for help or at least for copies of the newuser documentation failing that please subscribe to the newsgroup news announce newusers and read the documentation provided there introduction to the rec autos newsgroup hierarchy rec autos tech is intended 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is difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them some of these topics include the following 1 the 55mph speed limit in the us pro and con 2 discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of radar detectors 3 discussions over which radar detector is best 4 discussions over what is a sports car this is one reason why rec autos sport is not a sports car group everyone would argue about what constitutes a sports car 5 disputes over whether or not us federal law protects the drivers right to own and operate a radar detector 6 buy american discussions 7 clever bumper stickers and personalized license plates 8 insert nationality here cars are terrible 9 what kind of car did maxwell smart drive when i have a complete accurate answer it will be added to the commonly asked questions article which is also posted monthly until then please dont waste bandwidth on this topic rpw please direct comments and suggestions about this article to welty cabot balltown cma com richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith cars re do trains have radar in article 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i 45 somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to 85 to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized could this have been caused by the trains radio or what travis boy travis were you lucky you went under the new texas rangers stealth patrol car good thing you slowed down newsgroups rec autos distribution world followup to references 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com from dje bmw535 nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger organization subject re do trains have radar keywords guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 94102 hydra gatech edu gt5311b prism gatech edu bhattacharya abhijit writes in article 1r4ef7 408 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes do you think a 200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust i doubt if koresh had let the batf have a look inside his place as they intended to do orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust would never have come to pass the bds killed members of the batf on the first day orchestrated character assassination and noise torture seem like a small retribution does the phrase innocent until proven guilty have any meaning anymore the use of tanks is quesionable however abhijit bhattacharya abhijit georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt5311b internet gt5311b prism gatech edu jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball question about candlestick i have tickets for the tb giants and i was wondering if anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where section 15 in the lower level is located please e mail the response thanks rich youve read the hat now see the movie imus in the morning a blurb youre a blurb seinfeld religion oto the ancient order of oriental templars 93 04 16 e v after the glorious eve of taxation do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law the word of sin is restriction to all whom it may concern it is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women who having themselves found the path to real self knowledge and who having travelled the burning sands are willing to give the benefit of their experience and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided while numberless societies associations orders groups etc have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world all following some line of occult study yet there is but one ancient organization of genuine mystics which shows the seeker after truth a royal road to discover the lost mysteries of antiquity and to the unveiling of the one hermetic truth this organization is known at the present time as the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis otherwise the hermetic brotherhood of light it is a modern school of magic and like the ancient schools of magic it derived its knowledge from the east this knowledge was never its possessors sic it was recorded in symbol parable and allegory requiring a key for its interpretation this key can be placed within the reach of all those who apply for membership to the oriental templars o t o the o t o is a body of initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret knowledge of all oriental orders and of all existing masonic degrees the o t o although an academia masonica is not a masonic body so far as the craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in england and therefore in no way conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the united lodge of england english master masons in good standing by arrangement on affiliation are admitted at reduced charges members of the ix degree become part proprietors of the estates and goods of the order for further information see the publications of the o t o and the synopsis of the degrees of the o t o constitution of the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis by frater superior merlin peregrinus x degree past grand master albert karl theodor reuss taken from equinox iii 10 edited by frater superior rex summus sanctissimus united states caliph of ordo templi orientis invoke me under my stars love is the law love under will i am i frater i nigris dclxvi cccxxxiii baseball 15 day 30 day 60 day disabled list questions ive a curiousity whenever a person is put on the 15 day 30 day or 60 day the person is on the list longer than the specificed time ive seen a person on the 15 day for maybe 4 months last year i dont remember what i just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications scotyy scott allen steinbrink go cleveland cavaliers nba finals 93 netcom derich netcom com go cleveland indians world series 93 digex derich digex com go cleveland browns super bowl 94 baseball re marlins win marlins win look at all that teal bleah indeed if the color teal on a teams uniforms is any indication of the future the marlins are in dire trouble refer to the san jose sharks for proof but i have hope for the marlins i was a sometime member of the rene lachemann fan club at the oakland coliseum and have a deep respect for the guy hes a gem and of course walt weiss gives that franchise class but yeah whoever designed those uniforms was guilty of a paucity of style and imagination ugghhh lloyd r nebres uc berkeley internet lloyd uclink berkeley edu vox 510 848 9760 or 643 9390 never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 carrying a ton of cd roms cars re mr2 noisy engine eliot is right about 2 2 liter engine in the second and last generation mr2s but the original guy did not indicate the year of his mr2 if its a first generation car like my 85 it has 1 6 liter engine or perhaps same engine with a supercharger if its 87 89 the sound he describes is common to any older toyota engine i ever heard i dont know the relevance of his observations about oil changes my simply makes noise not all that annoying mind you but you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear mike s sorry bout that mine is a 91 model non turbo 2 0 with abs and revised suspension whatever revised means im in australia so we always seem to get the versions without extras which the europeans and americans get as standard my query is why does the noise get noticeably louder about 2 3 months after an oil change i just find it a bit wierd that this happens is it the oil im using mobil 1 or is it the engine the 3s ge version model ie gets noiser the older the oil is im only guessing its not annoyingly distressing or anything but just slightly puzzling puzzled baseball re cubs expos roster questions in article 1993apr15 003015 1 vmsb is csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb is csupomona edu writes today 4 14 cubs activated p mike harkey from dl whom did they move to make room for harkey also are delino deshields john wetteland of the expos on the dl thanks for anyone who can give me more info ken cal poly pomona wetteland is on the dl effective march 26 or something like that rick medicine the andromeda strain just had the opportunity to watch this flick on a e some 15 years since i saw it last i was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases and similar toxic substances clearly they faked a lot of the computer robotic technology certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself let alone the idea of a space germ quite coincidentally actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again i watched a segment on the otherwise awful howd they do that dealing with a disease researcher at the cdcs top lab there was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be cracked so to speak by man or nature short of deliberate bombing from the air perhaps and the researchers used spacesuits similar to that in the film im curious what people think about this film short of silly is such a facility technically feasible today as far as the plot and the crystalline structure that is not life as we know it thats a whole nother argument for rec arts sf tech or something next a waco update an ohio prison update a bosnia update a russian update an abortion update and a congressional update here on snn the standoff news network all news all standoff all day daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract guns re ammo in a fire was re waco burning bressler iftccu ca boeing com rick bressler writes small arms rounds set off outside of a firearm pose little risk except possibly eye injuries and minor wounds true large concentrations of ammo or magazines not the type you insert into your semi auto probably pose a larger risk but mostly from heat and flame this is also covered in the above reference no more risk than smaller stashes unless the stash is somehow confined so the heat from early ignitions could somehow bulk heat the remainder two years ago this month my house and office burned in my office was my reloading bench on the top shelf next to the wooden ceiling was about 100 lbs of smokeless powder 5 lbs of black powder several thousand primers and a couple thousand loaded rounds primarily in 45acp 30 20 and 308 the fire was extinguished before the area containing the reloading supplies were fully involved there was about 1 2 of char on the joists subsequently removed by sandblasting lots of heat in other words none of the powder kegs ignited one 1lb can of pistol powder ignited no explosion as the can opened at the seam as it was designed to do the black powder cans were charred and got so hot the plastic lids completely melted and ran down inside the smokless powder was contained mostly in 8 lb cardboard or metal kegs the kegs were charred badly enough that the paper labels burned completely off and in the case of the metal cans the plastic lids melted completely away many of the rounds cooked off they were in close proximity to wood on all sides so the effects were easy to observe in most cases with the rifle ammo the cartridge cases ruptured in the middle many bullets were found still in the neck small shards of brass were lightly stuck into the wood lightly enough that brushing them with a fingertip would usually dislodge them primers generally popped out of the primer pockets the 45acp rounds that cooked off left empty cases and bullets laying around no dents were observed above the storage area indicating the bullets left the cases slowly enough not to be a hazard ordinary small arms ammo is not a hazard when cooking off regardless of what the fbi says john john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag lee harvey oswald where are ya when we need ya guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes frank crary fcrary ucsu colorado edu wrote thats all very well and good but i was refering to all homocides not just ones involving handguns what is this fixation on death by shooting as if it were somehow worse than death by stabbing what relevance are all homicides in this debate what do you think gun control advocates are saying that if we get rid of all handguns we will live in a homicide free world the relevance is that if youve got x homicides and reduce the number of gun homicides in that group but x doesnt decrease by a significant amount have you made an improvement and is that improvement worth what youve paid the issue is guns not baseball bats even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat certainly of outrunning a bat wielding assailant if a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun is that any comfort to that tenth as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks ive faced a knife and i was damn annoyed i didnt have a gun all the statistics in the world didnt change the fact that he was interested in cutting me fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants anyone trained in self defense unarmed self defense isnt for everyone whats more it requires substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm it requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim which is a primary problem with stun guns you have to actually touch your assailant unless youre very good a large stronger assailant can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu baseball re moe berg barring cs washington edu david barrington writes npr this morning had an interview with linda mccarthy name possibly garbled by me an official historian for the cia she has won an emmy for research on moe berg for a tv documentary which i know from nothing but which sounds good she said that among other things berg was the principal spy for the oss cias wwii precursor spying on axis atomic programs because of his physics background and language skills she said that during the war he met with heisenberg in switzerland and had instructions to shoot heisenberg if the germans were close to us in bomb research he concluded they were two years behind and didnt shoot him i have heard elsewhere that heisenberg deliberately misled the nazi bomb program but i dont know how reliable this is unfortunately npr didnt mention any kind of a book shes writing id certainly buy it dave mb there is a great book out called they also served which is about the ballplayers during wwii there is some info on berg in there it also has info on pete gray one armed outfielder and other players of the era because of the draft many players during the war were those who were exempt from the draft for medical reasons there are some very interesting stories in the book it is very well written and i would suggest reading it to anyone with an interest in baseball rob koffler you live day to day and rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream about tomorrow don henley medicine recurrent respiratory papillomatosis we will be holding a bake and craft sale at communiversity in princeton on nassau street saturday april 24th 12 4 p m to benefit the recurrent respiratory papillomatosis foundation a nonprofit foundation established to encourage research toward a cure for recurrent respiratory papillomatosis our three year old daughter suffers from this disease below is a press release that appeared in local newspapers hope you can join us on saturday april 24 as part of communiversity in princeton a local family will be having a bake and craft sale to raise money for and create public awareness about a rare disease called recurrent respiratory papillomatosis bill and marlene sterns daughter lindsay is afflicted with this disease characterized by tumors attacking the inside of the larynx vocal cords and trachea caused by a virus the tumors grow block the air passages and would lead to death from suffocation without continual surgery to remove the growths three year old lindsay has undergone 11 operations thus far since her diagnosis last year and faces the prospect of over a hundred operations throughout her lifetime even though the disease is hardly a household word it has affected the lives of enough people to inspire the formation of the recurrent respiratory papillomatosis foundation a non profit foundation whose goals are to provide support for patients and families by networking patients and publishing a newsletter enhance awareness of rrp at the local and national level and aid in the prevention cure and treatment since medical researchers know that the virus causing the disease is similar to those viruses causing warts they feel a cure would be within reach if money were available for research because rrp is rare it not only gets scant attention but also paltry funds to search for a cure part of the rrp foundations mission is to change that anyone interested in contributing items to the bake and craft sale please call marlene or bill at 609 890 0502 monetary donations can be made at the foundations booth during communiversity april 24th 12 to 4 p m in downtown princeton or sent directly to the recurrent respiratory foundation 50 wesleyan drive hamilton sq nj 08690 thanks mstern lindsay princeton edu guns re fwd free nra membership offer andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes the nra supports anyone whos pro gun and has a chance of winning election regardless of their other positions is it their fault that some drug legalizers are anti gun is it their fault that the drug legalizers who are pro gun cant get elected its not the nras fault but it is something to consider if you are considering contributing to the nra if candidate b is a complete asshole whose only saving grace is that he opposes unnecessary restrictions on firearms i wouldnt want my membership dues funding efforts to get him re elected i have other problems with the nra as an organization the individual members ive met have been loyal trustworthy honest brave etc especially my boss who probably reads this newsgroup b they are definitely pro hunting and i recall seeing a pro desert storm nra bumper sticker sometimes they come on too strong in the political arena which contributes to their reputation as bad guys amoung many people tom swiss tms cs umd edu born to die keep your laws off my brain whats so funny bout peace love and understanding nick lowe this sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals i would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority e b white medicine faq typing injuries 1 4 changes since last month monthly posting archive name typing injury faq changes version revision 1 3 date 1993 04 13 04 12 33 this file details changes to the soda berkeley edu archive and summarizes whats new in the various faq frequently asked questions documents this will be posted monthly along with the full faq to the various net groups the various mailing lists will either receive the full faq every month or every third month but will always get this file once per month phew changes to the typing injuries faq and soda berkeley edu archive this month a few new files on the soda berkeley edu archive the tidbits caring for your wrists document rsi network 11 advice about adverse mechanical tension more details about the new apple keyboard more info about carpal tunnel syndrome carpal explained more general info about rsi rsi details rsi physical marketing info on the vertical macweek article the bat new details on hooking a normal pc keyboard to an rs 6000 updated pricing info on the datahand and comfort half qwerty now available for anonymous ftp on explorer dgp toronto edu new gif picutures the apple adjustable keyboard the key tronic flexpro another picture of the kinesis the vertical the tony if youd like to receive a copy of the faq and you didnt find it in the same place you found this document you can either send e mail to dwallach cs berkeley edu or you can anonymous ftp to soda berkeley edu 128 32 149 19 and look in the pub typing injury directory enjoy dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 guns re carrying arms in article 1993apr5 220457 6800 spdc ti com dwhite epcot spdc ti com dan white writes i have a question about the second amendment that has bothered me for awhile the amendment guarentees our right to keep and bear arms currently the gun prohibitionists are trying to restrict or eliminate our right to keep arms with the brady bill and the assault weapon ban however havent we already lost our right to bear arms it seems that in most states like texas a citizen may own a gun and carry while at his home or business but a citizen is severely restricted from bearing outside these areas here in texas you cannot carry in your car except when traveling which is usually defined as traveling across a county line how did this come about are there any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a weapon outside the home there are but not any that would help texans in many states such laws have been found to violate the state constitution but the federal second amendment does not apply directly to the states it was written to limit the federal government only the fourteenth amendment was written to extend the restrictions of the bill of rights to the state level however the exact wording of the fourteenth amendment is very vague the supreme court has been dancing around the issue without facing it directly for over 100 years in practice the bill of right indirectly applies through the fourteenth applies to the state governments only if the supreme court has ruled that particular provision the court has made no such rulings on the second amendment frank crary cu boulder cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt in article 1993apr20 002651 20797 sco com nathanp sco com nathan writes jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says can anyone offer any opinions of the ford probe ala how they do in the long run repair records reliability mileage etc i am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power i am considering the mx 6 probe accord corolla and the 240sx i bought a 93 probe gt with the pep 263a last july now at 9500 miles after debating over the sentra se r nx2000 mx6 mr 2 stealth prelude and celica the car design is different than earlier years so its too early to see its reliability so far for what its worth my comments my dislikes shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal some other owners on the ford probe world std com mailing list have commented about this problem but i havent seen it happen on my 3 month old 93 probe gt i think this may be something that ford has corrected since the initial batch of cars also someone said that ford has issued a service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem so you may be able to get your dealer to fix it headlights have stuck up a few times weather air conditioning broke 4000 miles pressure cycling switch condensation around rear washer fluid container doesnt drain completely havent seen any of these problems nor have i seen these mentioned on the mailing list so these might just be having bad luck with these crammed engine little hope for do it yourselfers typical definitely parts somewhat more expensive than normal ford parts underside plastic doesnt like sharp driveways and speedbumps typical assembly gripes tape on radiator screw fell out of dash seat seams not stitched properly hopefully just a fluke no problems like these either i havent been able to find any obvious places where they screwed up ford only gives 1 key with the car cmon ford spend an extra few pennies hmmm i got two keys with my car something tells me you got stiffed by your dealer on this actually if you count the credit card key that came in the owners binder i got 3 keys but since the credit card key doesnt have any teeth cut in it yet i guess i wont count it rear hatch has no padding on corners when up im waiting for the day when i bash my head on the corner horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference the latter is probably because of the air bag its pretty much takes up all the space where youd expect to find the horn speaking of the horn i was surprised to find that the probe comes with one of those nice merican sounding horns instead of the japanese sounding kind the previous probes had japanese horns tires fling dirt mud onto side of car yeah not very badly but enough to be annoying sometimes my likes engine design valves sounds smoothness power mileage torque definitely 1 handling very good for fwd understeer only at limits transmission the 5 speed is a must usable instrumentation lovely readable analog everywhere very little torque steer at full power much better than the 90 sho i drive stability at 100 mph high gearing though low cowl good visibility in front heated outside mirrors nice in fog never tested in freezing weather abs air bag see above rear seats fold down i have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important no shake rattle noises when going over bumps potholes still tires 225 55vr16 goodyear eagles 70 left hoping for 30k i agree strongly with all of the above especially about the engine the interior is very very nice too very pleasing to the eye and ergonomically sound i drive it to and from work each day on relatively smooth roads and most noticable thing is that the probes suspension doesnt like potholes when you test drive one find a potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable yes this cars stiff suspension isnt for everyone i personally like it but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car id strongly suggest looking into the mx 6 if you have 3 passengers by all means bring them along too theyll find that they have no room in the back and youll find that the car rides differently if thats better is up to you the problem with the back seat is that theres no leg room plenty of head room though shorter people fit back there without any complaints so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to give them a place to put their feet also theres a lot of glass around you which i wasnt expecting the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer my back seat passengers now very few complain about the lack of ventilation you may want to consider that when combined with the heat the power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car i really enjoy the moonroof by the way but then ive always been a sucker for open air driving no leakage problems or anything like that yet ive heard that the exhaust system has trouble but mine works fine i havent heard about this one i know that some of the very early probes 89 and maybe 90 had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers which ford will replace at no charge but i havent heard about anything like this concerning the 93 probes i havent had any real trouble with this car outside of a cv joint boot that was leaking but the dealer took care of that promptly and even gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that i was without my car i was quite happy with the way they handled especially considering that i was expecting the worst from them from what ive heard it sounds like ford mazda had some qc problems with the probe and probably mx 6 when they first went into production but i think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point thats almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this though hope this helps chuck chuck kesler internet chuck eos ncsu edu unix systems programmer us mail box 7901 ncsu campus engineering computer operations raleigh nc 27695 usa north carolina state university phone 1 919 515 2458 medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5l9ws jn2 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy the fantasy was that he had found something of fundamental importance to one of the hot questions of the day 77 he really had very little reason to believe it other than raw hope by fantasy i certainly dont mean velikovskian manias some other theory or domain i would offer some rather well known examples such as toricellis puy de dome experiment done for the sake of his sea of air hypothesis im not familiar with the history of this experiment although arguably i should be surprising well given the prior explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly be counted as so was the theory constructed and the experiment designed out of perfectly rational grounds well there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids the analogy to fluids by toricelli is explicit the novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid but this was quite a novelty at the time was the theory interesting yes was it new well one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain but i think this begs certain questions we can debate that if you like i think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising thats not what id quibble about what id like to know are toricellis reasons for doing his experiment not the post hoc constructed reasons but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem it may be impossible to know much about toricellis thoughts thats too bad if it is so one of root bernsteins services to science is that he has gone rooting about in pasteurs and flemings and other peoples notes and has discovered some surprising clues about their motivations pasteur never publicly admitted his plan to create mirror image life but the dreams are right there in his notebooks finally public after many years ready for anyone to read and i and my friends often have the most ridiculous reasons for pursuing results one of my best came because i was mad at a colleague for a poorly written claim i disproved the claim of course toricellis case may be an example of a rarety where the fantasy not only motivates the experiment but turns out to be right in the end mark mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam i had the same problem at first i thought it was the video driver and made sure i had the most current drivers because the problem was most evident at svga resolution modes it didnt help and after a bit of experimentation determined that the problem existed in standard vga resolution mode it was just much less noticeable my mouse was an older ms serial version i bought second hand in 1990 it worked just fine in dos and dos based graphic applications on the guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse i borrowed a new mouse a ms bus model and tried it that solved the problem so if your mouse is old you may want to try replacing it for a newer one sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu signoff russ lister rlister cti com or well connected systen uunet cti1 rlister comprehensive technologies intl inc arlington va windows 768x1024 trident driver wanted is there a 768x1024 trident driver for windows anywere this mode is supported by the drivers fo os 2 but i have not been able to find it for windows 768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768 any help is appreciated peter vestman dep of computing science university of umea sweden cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 185328 24947 news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article 1993apr6 180456 17573 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1993apr06 133319 7008 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it but thats the point we do read it or at least we did then we found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed then we write lists the cr flame war is so easy to start because they are so wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough andy ok if you are so right name a few good examples that were brought up john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder baseball re espn tbs games in article 05apr93 13661642 0023 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes does anyone know where i can get a list of nationally televised games such as espn and tbs i live on the east coast and id like to catch as many giants games as i possibly can this list is published every week in baseball weekly brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com that was not swimming that was bathing a german reporter after watching 1972 olympic superstar swimmer mark spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race guns re batf fbi revenge am i having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this thing or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug and business as usual will continue to be the order of the day in the new order who will be given the official title of thought police i wonder and if clinton and friends have their way highly likely at this point the new order government will also have all the guns so what if 1984 is going to be ten years late i think we are going to discover that we will be paying dearly for putting this fellow in office for decades to come even some die hard supporters are having serious doubts about their savior ahem see the war on drugs as sponsored by the bush and reagan administrations the precedent had well been set for federal agencies to step on more than a few of what people consider rights i wont make excuses for anyone but most of the damage had been done before clinton even entered the race in 92 baseball re phills vs pirates mlb m pit phi monday 5 10 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm tuesday 5 11 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm wednesday 5 12 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm friday 6 25 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm saturday 6 26 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 05 pm sunday 6 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 11 35 am friday 7 30 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm saturday 7 31 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 05 pm sunday 8 1 pittsburg at philadelphia 11 35 am monday 9 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm tuesday 9 28 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm wednesday 9 29 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm thursday 9 30 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm are these times correct they seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems for these two teams the origin of that first message was boise which is on central time p tierney whoops i meant mountain time p tierney cars re help with 89 mitsubishi galant gs transmission in article 1r6j9linnac6 phakt usc edu rmakarem usc edu total stranger writes hi i need your help with a problem i have with a 1989 mitsubishi galant gs transmission the car has a 5 speed manual tranmission since the car was bought new while shifting from 2nd to 3rd unless i do it slowly and carefully it makes a popping or hitting sound the dealer and mitsubishi customer service reached by an 800 say this is normal for the car is it and about a year ago at 35kmiles the stick shift handle got stuck while attempting to put it in reverse 1 the shifter would not budge the clutch had no effect 2 the front tires would not budge even when the clutch is fully depressed 3 if the clutch is released the engine would die 4 assuming that some gear was engaged while the shifter was stuck i could not make the car move it acted as if it were in neutral except for dying when clutch is released 5 i finally was able to release the shifter by having someone rock the car back and forth less than an inch while i depressed the clutch and jiggled the shifter 6 the shifter acted normally after that when this happened i took it to the dealer they checked the clutch it was o k they checked the transmission it was o k i had the exact problem a couple of months ago and again last week the dealer says there is nothing they can do because mitsubishi the 800 says they have never heard of the problem and the dealer could not reproduce the problem while they had the car in all three occurances the car was parked head first in a garage and since the front wheels were stuck the car could not be towed to the dealer before releasing the shifter hence temporarily solving the problem and the dealer and mitsubishi refused to send someone to check the car while it was stuck i know there is smething wrong with the transmission shifting from 2nd to 3rd and getting stuck at random but i cant get the dealer to fix it i need your help with the mechanical problems and with how to handle mitsubishi all hints and suggestions are greatly appreciated and sorry to bore you with the long post thanks rabih try another dealer sometimes the sophistication of equipment etc is better at one dealer than another you may also find another dealer willing to help you with the problem joe baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes farrs era is in the 20s or 30s and howes is infinite i didnt think such a thing was possible but it is actually according to usa today howe has 1 inning atttributed to him but maybe that is incorrect by the excellent report cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 173851 25846 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias wrote society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap i think this is getting a little overheated highway robbers have been a part of life since the middle ages at least its human nature to look at history through rose colored glasses but random acts of violence have been a ceaseless part of our heritage overall life is better now than it ever was then its just that random individual acts of violence have never been historically significant and record keeping in the past was never good enough to retain them all steve wall medicine re nose picking stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes 1 does it cause the body any harm if one picks ones nose for example might it lead to a loss of ability to smell 2 is it harmful for one to eat ones nose pickings ive seen children do this and wondered about something if the mucus in ones nose collects filters particles going into the airway if a child then picks and ingests this material might it have a vaccinatory effect since if the body ingests airborne diseases or other stuff on the mucus the body might generate antibodies for this small invasion maybe this is why some children dont get sick very often tom internet mvac23 thomas udel edu or thomas mvac23 udel edu home lapp cdhub1 dnet dupont com work osi c us a mci s lapp d id 4398613 uucp ucbvax mcvax uunet udel mvac23 thomas location newark de usa medicine re pregnency without sex mmatusev radford vak12ed edu melissa n matusevich writes speaking of educational systems i recently had a colleague tell me that the reason one of our fifth grade students is so physically developed is because she was sexually abused as a younger child this she went on to say kicks the pituitary gland into action and causes puberty nonsense ive taught fifth sixth seventh there are a few early puberty types in fifth and it has nothing to do with early sexual experience jackie medicine help looking for a medical journal article whiplash cervical pain hi i am not sure where to post this message please contact me if im way off the mark on 19 3 93 my wife went to her general practitioner doctor he mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us he had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again the article was about whiplash injury cervical pain it mentions the use of a mri magnetic resonance imagery machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain this article is most likely in an australian medical journal i very much want to obtain the name of the article journal and author because the case matches my wife we would very much appreciate anyones help in this matter via email preferably gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone 61 3 607 6299 colonial mutual life aust acn 004021809 fax 61 3 283 1095 some people never consciously discover their antipodes gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone 61 3 607 6299 colonial mutual life aust acn 004021809 fax 61 3 283 1095 cars viper last night i had a dream that my dad bought a viper i took it out for a test drive without his knowledge and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket wierd dream i wonder what it means roy medicine faq typing injuries 3 4 keyboard alternatives monthly posting archive name typing injury faq keyboards version revision 5 11 date 1993 04 13 01 20 43 answers to frequently asked questions about keyboard alternatives the alternative keyboard faq copyright 1992 1993 by dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor current distribution sci med occupational sci med comp human factors news sci comp answers and e mail to c health iubvm ucs indiana edu sorehand vm ucsf edu and cstg l vtvm1 cc vt edu changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change bars to the right of the text as is this paragraph information in this faq has been pieced together from phone conversations e mail and product literature while i hope its useful the information in here is neither comprehensive nor error free if you find something wrong or missing please mail me and ill update my list thanks all phone numbers unless otherwise mentioned are u s a phone numbers all monetary figures unless otherwise mentioned are u s a dollars products covered in this faq using a pcs keyboard on your workstation compatibility issues apple computer inc key tronic flexpro dragon systems the bat datahand comfort keyboard system kinesis ergonomic keyboard maltron the tony ergonomic keysystem the vertical the mikey the wave the minimal motion computer access system twiddler half qwerty microwriter braille n speak octima accukey gif pictures of many of these products are available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu pub typing injury 128 32 149 19 i highly recommend getting the pictures they tell much more than i can fit into this file if you cant ftp send me mail and ill uuencode and mail them to you theyre pretty big using a pcs keyboard on your workstation compatibility issues mini outline 1 spoofing a keyboard over the serial port 2 x terminals 3 next 4 silicon graphics 5 ibm rs 6000 6 other stuff 1 spoofing a keyboard over the serial port if youve got a proprietary computer which uses its own keyboard sun hp dec etc then youre going to have a hard time finding a vendor to sell you a compatible keyboard if your workstation runs the x window system youre in luck you can buy a cheap used pc hook your expensive keyboard up to it and run a serial cable to your workstation then run a program on the workstation to read the serial port and generate fake x keyboard events the two main programs ive found to do this are kt and a2x a2x is a sophisticated program capable of controlling the mouse and even moving among widgets on the screen it requires a server extension xtest dec xtrap or xtestextension1 to find out if your server can do this run xdpyinfo and see if any of these strings appear in the extensions list if your server doesnt have this you may want to investigate compiling x11r5 patchlevel 18 or later or bugging your vendor kt is a simpler program which should work with unextended x servers another program called xsendevent also exists but i havent seen it both a2x and kt are available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu 2 x terminals also a number of x terminals ncd tektronics to name a few use pc compatible keyboards if you have an x terminal you may be all set try it out with a normal pc keyboard before you go through the trouble of buying an alternative keyboard also some x terminals add extra buttons you may need to keep your original keyboard around for the once in a blue moon that you have to hit the setup key 3 next next had announced that new next machines will use the apple desktop bus meaning any mac keyboard will work then they announced they were cancelling their hardware production if you want any kind of upgrade for an older next do it now 4 silicon graphics silicon graphics has announced that their newer machines indigo 2 and beyond will use standard pc compatible keyboards and mice i dont believe this also applies to the power series machines its not possible to upgrade an older sgi to use pc keyboards except by upgrading the entire machine contact your sgi sales rep for more details 5 ibm rs 6000 ibm rs 6000 keyboards are actually similar to normal pc keyboards unfortunately you cant just plug one in you need two things a cable converter to go from the large pc keyboard connector to the smaller ps 2 style din 6 and a new device driver for aix believe it or not ibm wrote this device driver recently i used it and it works however they dont want me to redistribute it ive been told judy hume 512 823 6337 is a potential contact if you learn anything new please send me e mail 6 other stuff some vendors here notably health care keyboard co and accucorp support some odd keyboard types and may be responsive to your queries regarding supporting your own weird computer if you can get sufficient documention about how your keyboard works either from the vendor or with a storage oscilloscope you may be in luck contact the companies for more details apple adjustable keyboard apple computer inc sales offices all over the place availability february 1993 price 219 supports mac only apple has recently announced their new split design keyboard the keyboard has one section for each hand and the sections rotate backward on a hinge the sections do not tilt upward the keys are arranged in a normal qwerty fashion the main foldable keyboard resembles a normal apple keyboard a separate keypad contains all the extended key functions the keyboard also comes with matching wrist rests which are not directly attachable to the keyboard as soon as soda comes back up ill have a detailed blurb from tidbits available there flexpro keyboard key tronic phone 800 262 6006 possible contact denise razzeto 509 927 5299 sold by many clone vendors and pc shops availability spring 1993 price 489 supports pc only highly likely keytronic apparently showed a prototype keyboard at comdex its another split design one thumb wheel controls the tilt of both the left and right hand sides of the main alphanumeric section the arrow keys and keypad resemble a normal 101 key pc keyboard keytronic makes standard pc keyboards also so this product will probably be sold through their standard distribution channels dragondictate 30k and numerous other dragon products dragon systems inc 320 nevada street newton ma 02160 phone 800 talk typ or 617 965 5200 fax 617 527 0372 shipping now price dragondictate 30k 4995 end user system dragonwriter 1000 1595 2495 end user developer system various other prices for service contracts site licenses etc compatibility 386 or higher pc only 3rd party support for mac free software support for x windows is also available your pc with dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a serial cable or network the program is called a2x and is available via anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu pub typing injury a2x tar z export lcs mit edu contrib a2x tar z most current if you want to use your dragon product with x windows you may want to ask for peter cohen an salesman at dragon who knows more about this sort of thing dragon systems sells a number of voice recognition products most if not all of them seem to run on pcs and compatibles including ps 2s and other microchannel boxes they sell you a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number of popular word processors and spreadsheets each user trains the system to their voice and there are provisions to correct the system when it makes mistakes on the fly multiple people can use it but you have to load a different personality file for each person you still get the use of your normal keyboard too on the dragondictate 30k you need to pause 1 10th sec between words dragon claims typical input speeds of 30 40 words per minute i dont have specs on the dragonwriter 1000 the dragondictate 30k can recognize 30 000 words at a time the dragonwriter 1000 can recognize you guessed it 1000 words at a time dragons technology is also part of the following products about which i have no other info microsoft windows sound system voice pilot ibm voicetype voice navigator ii by articulate systems for macintosh emstation by lanier voice products emergency medical workstation the bat old phone number 504 336 0033 current phone number 504 766 8082 infogrip inc 812 north blvd baton rouge louisiana 70802 u s a ward bond main contact david vicknair did the unix software 504 766 1029 shipping now supports mac ibm pc serial port native keyboard port version coming very soon no other workstations supported but serial support for unix with x windows has been written pc and mac are getting all the real attention from the company a chording system one hand is sufficient to type everything the second hand is for redundancy and increased speed price 495 dual set each one is a complete keyboard by itself 295 single cheaper prices were offered at macworld expo as a show special datahand 602 860 8584 industrial innovations inc 10789 north 90th street scottsdale arizona 85260 6727 u s a mark roggenbuck contact supports pc and mac shipping in beta big backlog could take 3 months price 2000 unit 1 unit 2 pods new price each hand has its own pod each of the four main fingers has five switches each forward back left right and down the thumbs have a number of switches despite appearances the key layout resembles qwerty and is reported to be no big deal to adapt to the idea is that your hands never have to move to use the keyboard the whole pod tilts in its base to act as a mouse see also the detailed review written by cliff lasser cal think com available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu comfort keyboard system 414 253 4131 fax 414 253 4177 health care keyboard company n82 w15340 appleton ave menomonee falls wisconsin 53051 u s a jeffrey szmanda vice president contact shipping now supports pc and mac planned future support ibm 122 key layout 3270 style i believe sun sparc decision data unisys uts 40 silicon graphics others to be supported later the hardware design is relatively easy for the company to re configure price 690 including one system personality module the idea is that one keyboard works with everything you purchase compatibility modules a new cord and possibly new keycaps and then you can move your one keyboard around among different machines its a three piece folding keyboard the layout resembles the standard 101 key keyboard except sliced into three sections each section is on a custom telescoping universal mount each section independently adjusts to an infinite number of positions allowing each individual to type in a natural posture you can rearrange the three sections too have the keypad in the middle if you want each section is otherwise normal shaped i e you put all three sections flat and you have what looks like a normal 101 key keyboard kinesis ergonomic keyboard 206 455 9220 206 455 9233 fax kinesis corporation 15245 pacific highway south seattle washington 98188 u s a shirley lunde vp marketing contact shipping now supports pc mac and sun sparc in the works price 690 volume discounts available the 690 includes one foot pedal one set of adhesive wrist pads and a typingtutor program an additional foot pedal and other accessories are extra the layout has a large blank space in the middle even though the keyboard is about the size of a normal pc keyboard slightly smaller each hand has its own set of keys laid out to minimize finger travel thumb buttons handle many major functions enter backspace etc you can remap the keyboard in firmware very nice when software wont allow the reconfig foot pedals are also available and can be mapped to any key on the keyboard shift control whatever maltron 44 081 398 3265 united kingdom p c d maltron limited 15 orchard lane east molesey surrey kt8 obn england pamela and stephen hobday contacts u s distributor jim barrett applied learning corp 1376 glen hardie road wayne pa 19087 phone 215 688 6866 supports pcs amstrad 1512 1640 bbc b bbc master mac apparently now also available price 375 pounds 735 shipped in the u s a basically converted price shipping the cost is less for bbc computers and they have a number of accessories including carrying cases switch boxes to use both your normal keyboard and the maltron an articulated arm that clamps on to your table and training courses to help you learn to type on your maltron you can also rent a keyboard for 10 pounds week taxes u s price 120 month and then 60 off purchase if you want it shipping now in your choice of colors black or grey maltron has four main products a two handed keyboard two one handed keyboards and a keyboard designed for handicapped people to control with a mouth stick the layout allocates more buttons to the thumbs and is curved to bring keys closer to the fingers a separate keypad is in the middle accukey accucorp inc p o box 66 christiansburg va 24073 u s a 703 961 3576 pete rosenquist sales 703 961 2001 larry langley president shipping now supports pc mac ibm 3270 sun sparc and televideo 935 and 955 cost 495 shipping doesnt use conventional push keys soft rubber keys which rock forward and backward each key has three states make chords for typing keys learning time is estimated to be 2 3 hours for getting started and maybe two weeks to get used to it currently the thumbs dont do anything although a thumb trackball is in the works the company claims it takes about a week of work to support a new computer they will be happy to adapt their keyboard to your computer if possible twiddler 516 474 4405 or 800 638 2352 handykey 141 mt sinai ave mt sinai ny 11766 chris george president shipping now price 199 supports pc only mac and x windows in the works the twiddler is both a keyboard and a mouse and it fits in one hand you type via finger chords shift control etc are thumb buttons when in mouse mode tilting the twiddler moves the mouse and mouse buttons are on your fingers the cabling leaves your normal keyboard available also most applications work and windows works fine desqview has trouble geoworks also has trouble mouse works keyboard doesnt braille n speak 301 879 4944 blazie engineering 3660 mill green rd street md 21154 u s a information provided by doug martin martin nosc mil the braille n speak uses any of several braille codes for entering information grade i grade ii or computer braille basically letters a j are combinations of dots 1 2 4 and 5 letters k t are the same combinations as a j with dot 3 added letters u v x y and z are like a e with dots 3 and 6 added w is unique because louis braille didnt have a w in the french alphabet the tony ergonomic keysystem 415 969 8669 tony hodges the tony corporation 2332 thompson court mountain view ca 94043 u s a supports mac pc ibm 3270 sun and dec shipping price 625 you commit now and then youre in line to buy the keyboard when it ships if its cheaper you pay the cheaper price if its more expensive you still pay 625 the tony should allow separate positioning of every key to allow the keyboard to be personally customized a thumb operated mouse will also be available the vertical contact jeffrey spencer or stephen albert 619 454 0000 p o box 2636 la jolla ca 92038 u s a supports no info available probably pcs available summer 1993 price 249 the vertical keyboard is split in two halves each pointing straight up the user can adjust the width of the device but not the tilt of each section side view mirrors are installed to allow users to see their fingers on the keys the mikey 301 933 1111 dr alan grant 3208 woodhollow drive chevy chase maryland 20815 u s a shipping as of july 1992 should be available in one year supports pc mac maybe price 200 estimated the keyboard is at a fixed angle and incorporates a built in mouse operated by the thumbs function keys are arranged in a circle at the keyboards left the wave was 213 310 644 6100 fax 310 644 6068 iocomm international technology 12700 yukon avenue hawthorne california 90250 u s a robin hunter contact in sales cost 99 95 15 for a set of cables supports pc only shipping now iocomm also manufactures ordinary 101 key keyboard pc at and 84 key keyboard pc xt so make sure you get the right one the one piece keyboard has a built in wrist rest it looks exactly like a normal 101 key pc keyboard with two inches of built in wrist rest the key switch feel is reported to be greatly improved the minimal motion computer access system 508 263 6437 508 263 6537 fax equal access computer technology dr michael weinreigh 39 oneida rd acton ma 01720 u s a price infogrip compatible a few hundred dollars a one handed bat for their own system 300 dos software a few hundred dollars shipping these are custom made so an occupational therapist would make moulds do whatever to make it for you you can buy one now supports pc only although the infogrip compatible version might work with a mac in a one handed version there is exactly one button per finger in a two handed version you get four buttons per finger and the thumbs dont do anything you can also get one handed versions with three thumb buttons compatible with the infogrip bat basically get it any way you want they also have a software tutorial to help you learn the chording works on a pc under dos not windows planning on macintosh and pc windows support no work has been done on a unix version yet half qwerty canada 416 749 3124 the matias corporation 178 thistledown boulevard rexdale ontario canada m9v 1k1 e mail ematias dgp toronto edu supports mac and pc but not windows demo for anonymous ftp explorer dgp toronto edu pub half qwerty price 129 95 higher in canada quantity discounts available shipping now this thing is purely software no hardware at all the software will mirror the keyboard when you hold down the space bar allowing you type one handed octima israel 972 4 5322844 fax 972 3 5322970 ergoplic keyboards ltd p o box 31 kiryat ono 55100 israel info from mandy jaffe katz rxhfun haifauvm bitnet a one handed keyboard microwriter agenda u k 44 276 692 084 fax 44 276 691 826 microwriter systems plc m s a house 2 albany court albany park frimley surrey gu15 2xa united kingdom info from carroll morgan carroll morgan prg oxford ac uk the agenda is a personal desktop assistant pda style machine you can carry it along with you it has chording input you can also hook it up to your pc or even program it it costs just under 200 pounds with 128k memory thanks go to chris bekins as ccb forsythe stanford edu for providing the basis for this information thanks to the numerous contributors doug martin martin nosc mil carroll morgan carroll morgan prg oxford ac uk mandy jaffe katz rxhfun haifauvm bitnet wes hunter wesley hunter atlantaga ncr com paul schwartz pschwrtz cs washington edu h j woltring woltring nici kun nl dan sorenson viking iastate edu chris vanharen vanharen mit edu ravi pandya ravi xanadu com leonard h tower jr tower ai mit edu dan jacobson dan jacobson att com jim cheetham jim oasis icl co uk cliff lasser cal think com richard donkin richardd hoskyns co uk paul rubin phr napa telebit com david erb erb fullfeed com bob scheifler rws expo lcs mit edu chris grant chris grant um cc umich edu scott mandell sem1 postoffice mail cornell edu and everybody else who ive probably managed to forget the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 religion re 666 mark of the beast need info on a slightly different note there are two buildings in ny state with big 666 numbers on the roof one in manhattan and one near garden city the garden city one is a nice black unmarked building join the pythagorean reform church repent of your evil irrational numbers and bean eating ways accept 10 into your heart call the pythagorean reform church bbs at 508 793 9568 medicine re ra treatment question eulenbrg carson u washington edu julia eulenberg writes im assuming that you mean rheumatoid arthritis ra ive never heard of the cold treatment you mentioned i cant imagine how it would work since most of us who have rh arthr ra seem to have more problems in cold weather than in warm weather would be interested to hear more z z no obviously talking about research assistants i favor a high protein low fat diet barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule four hours of sleep a night continuous infusion of latte unpredictable praise mixed randomly with anxiety provoking everpresent glances with lowered eyebrows unrealistic promises of rapid publication and every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale and free pretzels actually mine hails from san diego and indeed has more problems in seattle in cold weather than in warm doug fitts dfitts u washington edu medicine re centi and milli pedes in article 35004 castle ed ac uk gtclark festival ed ac uk g t clark writes msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case rebecca millipedes i understand are vegetarian and therefore almost certainly will not bite and are not poisonous centipedes are carnivorous and although i dont have any absolute knowledge on this i would tend to think that youre in no danger from anything but a concerted assault by several million of them g not sure of this but i think some millipedes cause a toxic reaction sting so i would not assume that they are not dangerous merely on the basis of vegetarianism after all wasps are vegetarian too dnc medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they arent of any use unless they make you do some experiments ive known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work usually they wont admit out loud what the fantasy was prior to the consumption of a few beers simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited hoping that hed seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy while i am unfamiliar with the scientific context here it appears obvious that his speculation for lack of a better or more neutral word was at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance of current theory coupled with his observations it would appear that something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation into that theory or to tailor the theory to cover the observation this does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of fancy or a fantasy it is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs irrational perhaps you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out for perfectly rational reasons or interesting new theories that were first advanced from logical grounds the main examples i can think of are from modern high energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole well i think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word also extra scientific etc nor am i prepared to give a general account of rationality in terms of examples there is some danger of beginning to quibble over what a surprising experiment is what counts as surprising etc the same may be said about logical grounds my point is that quite frequently perhaps even most frequently the roots of a new theory can be traced to previously existing theories or even to previously rejected hypotheses of some other theory or domain i would offer some rather well known examples such as toricellis puy de dome experiment done for the sake of his sea of air hypothesis was this theory and the resulting experimental test surprising well given the prior explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must be counted as so was the theory constructed and the experiment designed out of perfectly rational grounds well there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids the analogy to fluids by toricelli is explicit the novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid but this was quite a novelty at the time was the theory interesting yes was it new well one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain but i think this begs certain questions we can debate that if you like gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm guns re insane gun toting wackos unite in article 1576 heimdall sdrc com crrob sony1 sdrc com rob davis writes do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self inflicted gun shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters no but i have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings ive never seen one that specifically provides the info that davis insists that he has so id love to have a cite if you fall for example and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow the gun will discharge wrong theres one gun design where that can happen and it is supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under the hammer in other words it can be usefully carried in a safe manner other handgun designs dont have that property if their trigger isnt pulled the hammer cant hit the firing pin the number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of deaths caused by animal attacks or wacko attacks combined the breakdowns that i do have include the above category from them i can safely say that if davis is right in all of his claims a large negative number of people are killed by animals because we know that the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the number of accidents due to gun failures which is a superset of the described circumstance is near zero i can find the figures if you dont believe me please do include a cite for those of us who like looking at context make sure that your source excludes other types of accidents and suicides that are misreported gun cleaning accident is police speak for the family needs the insurance money andy baseball re royals final run total k mitchell bose kbos carina unm edu wrote the toronto blue jays scored 329 oh fine well ignore that one coming from 1981 and all thatll teach me not to qualify my statements in 1978 the oakland as scored a thundering 532 runs bleah ok something to shoot for the royals will score 531 runs or less this season although they just decided to get mcrae out of the leadoff spot of course valentine will throw this one back in my face when the royals even manage to outscore another al team sean sean sweda sweda css itd umich edu css itd consultant p gammons idiotic quote of the week gm manager motor city marauders theres no better home run park in internet baseball league baseball than tiger stadium 4 17 windows off line mail for netnews are there any off line mail readers for the net news in qwk format it would be really helpfull to be able to download the net news from a vax or mainframe and read it off line adam hodge arhodge miavx1 acs muohio edu guns re 2nd amendment dead good date 18 apr 93 00 13 19 0500 from jrm gnv ifas ufl edu yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable in my case i am alive thanks to a gun that is provable even in your twisted logic i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so no wrong again brain trust the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents huh what planet are you from the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way wrong not as long as freedom remains ps get a dictionary faustus gun of the month club hmmm glock 10mm this month sig 226 next cars re auto air conditioning without freon it is actually simple in principle porous adsorbents like zeolite and activated carbon can adsorb gases evaporated from the adsorbate water or methanol etc giving the cooling effect upon being heated the gas saturated adsorbent bed will give off the gases which are then to be condensed this forms the adsorption refrigeration cycle the only problem is that the cop is very low 0 2 0 6 max max g q lu phd internet mgqlu ntu ac sg division of thermal enginerring bitnet mgqlu ntuvax bitnet school of mpe nanyang technological university phone 65 7994818 nanyang avenue singapore 2263 fax 65 7911859 medicine re drop your drawers and the doctor will see you this is not an unusual practice if the doctor is also a member of a nudist colony sir i admit your genral rule that every poet is a fool but you yourself may serve to show it that every fool is not a poet a pope medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in rec food cooking packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary i know that there is msg sensitivity when i eat foods with msg i get very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash i first experienced this problem when i worked close to chinatown and ate chinese food almost everyday for lunch now i cant tolerate msg at all i can notice immediately when i have eaten any i try to avoid msg completely interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing the exact same rash on their hands i couldnt understand why because i dont msg in cooking and we ask for no msg when we do eat chinese i still love it after some investigation i knew that oodles of noodles where one of their favorite foods one of the main ingredients in the flavor packets is msg now i look at all labels you would be surprised at places you find msg betty harvey harvey oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin adp networking and communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code 1221 center bethesda md 20084 5000 dtmb cd nswc 301 227 3379 fax 301 227 3343 guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5vgme goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia are you a moron or just illiterate the facts that the fbi neither proclaimed on monday suddenly werent facts anymore by the tuesday press conference you dont have to pay attention to any one source neither do you have to abandon your critical thinking but to disregard all sources of information as lies and distortions and substitute your own pet theories is more likely to get you wild untruths than by basing your theories on the facts as they are reported by the media and the government there has beed no evidence of anyone setting the fire deliberately you simpleton so actually there was evidence of the fire being set deliberately both testamony by the survivors and ir tape showing the fire being set in 3 places and the petrochemical soot that the fire was giving off indications of kerosine or gasoline feeding the fire you might not believe 1 or 2 if you are totally paranoid or very skeptical but my 3rd point is visible to anyone who watches the tapes of the fire and has started a bbq grill what are you basing your statements on oh i forgot youre the guy that doesnt know microwave oven need electricity never mind ho ho ho i listen to npr watch cnn nbc i also read the papers where do you get yours personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article 1993apr21 021301 25113 r node hub org ndallen r node hub org nigel allen writes here is a press release from the white house number one that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there lucky they brought the situation to a prompt resolution before they had to turn things over to the amateurs they might be needed in other parts of the country god help us all cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re militia incredibly long in article c5n0vy ej6 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes in article 1qna9m nq8 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5l0n2 5ll ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes but do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year just to try to get the same people every year provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force and find a suitable location it requires a continually standing committee of organizers again my response is so what is mr rutledge arguing that since the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support such activity and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from doing so that they have eliminated the basis for the rkba on the contrary to anyone who understands the game they have strengthened it no i originally argued that the second amendment was a little bit and an anachronism these prohibiting laws are examples why the are an anachronism after all laws in made by representatives of the people these representatives of the people have already decided that the second amendment does not apply or is too broad in some cases since these representatives feel an unconditional interpretation is not wanted then it is probable that they majority of the people feel the same way if this is so it is an example of the people using their power of government if this is not how the people feel the people should stand up and state their wishes wrong neglecting that the government and media have bullshitted the people almost nonstop on this issue constitutional limitations are there to prevent a tyrrany of the majority for example a majority could vote that given ethnics have no rights are not people etc and it would fly using the logic above when government feels the constitution is not right for the times there is a procedure called an amendment to the constitution this is deliberately difficult and cumbersome to prevent abuse of those who decide to ignore the people or impose unjust policies of a majority on a minority a lynch mob is a majority remember outvoting the hangee what the government is doing are violations end runs around the limitations on the government probably because they know that the people would be very hard to convince that a good intention is behind tampering with the bill of rights government propeganda on guns has been very strong and persistant but not that strong and it just shows how gullible the people have become to i am from the government and am here to help you sort of line we have been lied to fed half truths rigged stats while the government knows their control laws have no effect on crime they want a government monopoly on force pure and simple do you really want the government to be able to override constitutional limitations by a simple vote of a bunch of elitists congresscritters i sure dont the founding fathers sure as hell didnt either mox nix mr rutledge you are the only one here claiming that the rkba is dependent on the existence of a top flight well regulated militia why this is a false assumption has already been posted a number of times no i simple stated that the people have a right to join a well organized militia and i have also stated that a militia that meets once or twice a year is clearly well organized and this state of readiness that i have claimed the people have a right to is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated by hamilton you better read the senate subcommitte on the constitution regarding the second amendment and a linguists analisys of the second itself in the meanwhile show us some stuff to back up your assertions and yes i have the above mentioned documents and more online pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien religion re christian meta ethics in lsjc8cinnmc1 saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes in article c554f5 3gf panix com mls panix com michael siemon writes the issue then is this christian a says behavior such and such is sinful what is christian b supposed to do with such a statement one possibility always exists a may be able to persuade b that the behavior in question does exhibit a failure in loving god or neighbor michael modern liberal that he is reads a fairly benign meaning into this word he then constructs his religious beliefs around this understanding reading other scripture in the context of these commandments with love benignly understood i regard love as no more or less benign than any other christian does you are merely expressing approval of the consequences i find therein which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my or any religion love is a highly ambiguous word of which christians can write both the gentle words paul uses of it in 1 corinthians in a passage that even the conservatives will quote at you and the words of t s eliot in his pentacost hymn love is the unfamiliar name that wove the intolerable shirt of flame this is in any case rather to the side of what i was attempting to raise in my note as will become more evident below as a non believer i find michaels christianity kinder and gentler blechhh i think you are misreading me rather seriously though given my principle that one cannot force ones own notion of sin on another and my unshakeable disestablishmentarianism russel turpin and others believers and unbelievers alike are under no threat of my legislating my own understanding of christian love if i take him at his word he cannot condemn the inquisitors because they were also following these commandments as they understood them if you misread i can do and have repeatedly done a complete bill of accusation against the inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human beings in the first place and to respect for let alone love of god in near succession please go back to my quoted words above the possibility that always exists is that i or to revert to proper time sequence my predecessors over the last several centuries could persuade christian b of my case that the inquisition does indeed constitute an egregious violation of the law of love i must also note that the majority of christians have been so persuaded by christian argumentation as well as by secular both christian and non christian prohibitions what mr turpin alludes to is a trickier point a i demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved in the inquisition b the inquisitor responds that mother church must however painful this seems discipline her children for their own good in this case the salvation of their souls or if the tortured heretic will not recant than by bad example deterring others from the same loss of soul a i point out that this justification of a failure in love depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable b burns me at the stake my rhetoric has failed but the point i am making is sustained what is going on here has a lot to do with cultural baggage in this case the baggage includes a nearly universal and absolutely secular belief that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most believable if taken under torture the elimination of inqisitorial practice in those places where it has been eliminated or at least greatly reduced has very little if anything to do with the discussion of sin in the exchange between a and b mr turpin is pointing out that if i am a versus the grand inquisitors b then my persuasion is not very likely to work i know this and in what ever personal agony i consign the issue to god and my ghostly defense attorney so one possibility fails in this case as it will fail in may others at the other extreme the persuasion will succeed when it properly should not if it entails mistaken assumptions i share with the inquisitor and that is potentially an even more troubling case in that many of the victims of inquisition will have accepted that they were in fact sinful in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty of charges brought against them the point is that the persuasion breaks down when the parties do not share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage and given the main thrust of the inquisition against heresy it is bound to break down in precisely the worst cases the conservative i dont think that is the right word btw will take refuge in what i attribute to b above that he is justified in causing harm because he thinks that works to a greater good but this is a violent and extravagant refusal to follow the gospel as if ones theories about sin entitled one to cast aside jesus words on dealing with sinners cf matthew 5 39ff i am a radical christian only in that i take the gospel seriously or for that matter what does it mean to love ones fellow man and what is the right thing and how does one go about loving god well the whole point of making these the base commandments is that they arent reducible to rules a set of rules is a moral code or a law code or an algorithm for acting such things can be very helpful to individuals or societies but not if they are used instead of a personal involvement in and responsibility for ones actions the great commandment is more than anything else a call to act as if you were god and accepting ultimate responsibility in your every action a demand that i like most would rather not hear but it keeps popping up nonetheless along with the reassurance that it is more important that i be open to trying this than succeeding at it conservatives may twist this act as if you were god to mean lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them as possible if they dont keep your rules they are so insistent and obvious about this that they have convinced a lot of people who rightly reject the whole concept that such idiocy is how god acts that after all is the standard accusation against god by the atheists here and elsewhere that the conservatives have confused their manipulative hoop jumping notions of coercing other people with the nature of god is almost the entire content of standard american atheism and i quite agree with it on this point ethical systems are not differentiated by the nice sounding goo up front much of which sounds pretty much the same but by the specific acts procedures and arguments that they recommend and different bodies of christians have from the beginning urged different ethical systems or in some cases none as a result it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems however popular or infamous with christianity christianity does not have a torah it does not have a quran specifically christian scripture has very little if anything in the way of commandments so little that the christians who desperately want commandments go mining for them with almost no support and thus almost no obvious limitation for their efforts the one single thing in the gospels which jesus specifically gives as a commandment to us is love one another i will be expanding on this point in a reply to paul hudson that i hope to get to in a day or so it is quite true that some christians infer lots of commandments from the nt ill point out what has to be going on in these inferences and why there is a huge amount of cultural baggage involved you are quite right that this is goo if one is looking for an ethical system but why should anyone be looking for an ethical system since our society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do it may be that we need a principle for the critique of ethical systems in which case i will profer the agapate allelou once again i am glad that a few christians such as michael find a benign meaning for the goo and then interpret the usually ugly specifics in a more constructive fashion on the other hand i do think that this tells us more about michael and christians like him that it tells us about christianity i think you are begging the question why dont i and the myriads of other christians like me tell you something about christianity nor is this very new in christianity you might want to look up the origins and fundamental doctrines of the quakers from the 17th century onwards and they are not at all the first to understand the gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico radar radio association defending airwave rights says that geico insurance not only buys radar for police but also actively lobbies states to promote making radar detectors illegal i think the buying part is a misuse of money but the radar detector part shows how little they know about the issue no study i am aware of has ever concluded that detectors have a negative impact on safety or that users have a higher average speed incompetence by geico i think so troy wecker troy sequent com sequent computer systems beaverton or in article 1993apr21 171811 25933 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where guns re the usual kendall lds loral com colin kendall 6842 writes i just heard some anti gun control people giving the usual arguments its everyones right to bear arms and the way to solve the problem of people getting killed by guns is better law enforcement it strikes me that this argument could be logically extended as follows a nuclear weapon is an arm hence anyone has a right to have nuclear weapons and if someone uses his nuclear weapons to blow up new york l a and chicago thats okay as long as we have a good police force capable of finding him and putting him in jail which will serve as a deterrent to others do any anti gun control people disagree with this and if so why yes i am pro gun and yes i do disagree with this statement nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous radioactive decay of plutonium and uranium as well as the tritium in the weapon tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things can you say neutron flux plus these things have no self defense purposes its kinda hard to justify their use as a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use low yield weapons or at worst for industrial target obliteration translation cities and population centers not to mention that for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live requires some sort of launch vehicle aaron arc cco caltech edu religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many dean kaflowitz yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times dave some christians take a 10 discount off the ten commandments sunday cannot be substituted for the sabbath baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes in article 1993apr18 032345 5178 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr18 030412 1210 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about 5 years ago and has had only one above average year in the last 5 again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers oooooo cheap shot damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future who cares he had two of them before he came to toronto and if the jays had signed viola instead of morris it would have been frank who won 20 and got the ring and he would be on his way to 20 this year too therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing your logic is curious and spurious there is no reason to believe that viola wouldnt have won as many games had he signed with toronto when you compare their stupid w l records be sure to compare their teams offensive averages too now looking at anything like the morris viola sweepstakes a year later is basically hindsight but there were plenty of reasons why it should have been apparent that viola was the better pitcher based on previous recent years and also based on age frank is almost 5 years younger how many knew that people got caught up in the 91 world series and then on morris 21 wins last year wins are the stupidest most misleading statistic in baseball far worse than rbi or r that he won 21 just means that the jays got him a lot of runs the only really valid retort to valentine is werent the red sox trying to get morris too oh sure they said viola was their first choice afterwards but what should we have expected they would say and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th if this is true it wont be for lack of contribution by viola so who cares charles medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article 79738 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes this reminds me of the last graham kerr cooking show i saw today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot he used a strange technique id never seen before he took a big pot with lid and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil the tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee table ash tray made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges in the tray he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar a similar quantity of brown rice he said any rice will do the contents of two teabags of earl grey tea and a few cloves on top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket type steamer with two chicken breasts in it the lid was put on and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes later he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts what surprises and concerns me are 1 no wood chips where does the smoke flavor come from 2 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember hearing that carmel color obtained by caramelizing sugar a common coloring and flavoring agent had been found to be carcinogenic i believe they injected it under the skin of rats or something if the results were conclusive caramel color would not be legal in the u s yet it is still being used was the initial research result found to be incorrect or what 3 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember earl grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic because it contains oil of bergamot an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit does anyone know whatever happened with that story if it were carcinogenic earl grey tea could not have it as an additive yet it apparently continues to do so wrt natural wood smoke ive smoking a duck right now as it happens ive noticed that a heavily smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing i find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips my theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low molecular weight stuff like terpenes and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar the long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low molecular weight stuff just leaving the flavor behind does anyone know if my theory is correct i also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic for that reason and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess i only grill non drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals i do stuff like this duck by indirect heat i have a long rectangular weber and i put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end the fat drops directly on the floor below the meat and next time i use the barbeque i make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals and yet another reason ive heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat like pork sausage and bacon contains nitrosamines which are carcinogenic im pretty sure this claim actually has some standing dont know about the others an amusing incident i recall was the duncan hines scandal when it was discovered that the people who make duncan hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide edb into the cake mix to suppress weevils this is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic the guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating duncan hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal broiled steaks what a great analogy when i first heard that my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit one charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0 5 duncans i dont understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that it would not be legal in the u s i think that naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances are pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food food additives or other consumption its only when the chemists concoct sp an ingredient that it falls under fda regulations otherwise if they really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything how in the world do you suppose its legal to consume tobacco products which probably should be banned dave allen space science engr ctr uw madison baseball re phills vs pirates i hate to be the burden of bad news but i think i will this time the phillies usually play at either 7 05 p m or 7 35 p m eastern time for weekdays on sundays the time is usually 1 35 p m eastern time boise is in idaho idaho is in part of the mountain time zone and in part of the pacific time zone the times that were given were for mountain time zone starts please check a map in case i am wrong but i am certain that boise is in the mountain time zone thanks for listening the shep cars re im getting a car i need opinions in article 1qqp2o 5ba usenet ins cwru edu cf947 cleveland freenet edu chun h ung wan writes in a previous article ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha says i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy im looking for specific models thanks danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip02 lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work 215 758 4141 for an all out sports car id go for the rx 7 without the sports suspension which is too stiff for a little more practicality and more comfort the nissan 300zx turbo is a good buy and for a good dose of luxury the lexus sc300 is perfect with a manual transmission of course however the toyota supra is coming out soon and if you like its looks the performance is supposed to be great almost race car like i dont particulary like the mitsubishi 3000gts or the dodge stealths as they are too heavy and arent very nimble handlers for a sports car a motion picture major at the brooks institute of photography ca santa barbara and a foreign student from kuala lumpur malaysia the mind is the forerunner of all states the only thing about the 300zx turbo and new supra is theyre about 10k or more over his budget be good and you will be lonely mark twain guns randy weaver trail day 3 this was posted to the firearms politics mailing list hi folks thursday april 15 marked day 3 of the trial this day marked the first testimony of the trial deputy u s marshal larry cooper took the stand for the prosecution the short version is that his testimony was consistent with the opening statements for the prosecution cooper testified that he had arrived in spokane washington on august 17 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation with five other deputies near the weaver cabin the team was using night vision equipment for surveillance and split up into two teams of three people the six later met at an observation point above the cabin after this deputies cooper william degan and arthur roderick began a descent to scout further possible surveillance sites cooper told the court that roderick threw two large rocks into a gully to see whether the weaver family dogs would respond striker the weavers yellow lab started toward them barking loudly roderick led the three in a run from the area they ran through some dense woods into an open area called the fern field with the dog in pursuit by this time kevin harris and samuel weaver had joined the chase the surveillance team had reached a y in the road cooper decided that they should take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy target and might be shot in the back as degan reached the y he spotted randy weaver coming down the road from the cabin ahead weaver was startled but did not fire at this moment striker reached degan and cooper had to fend him off with his gun it is unclear whether this means he clubbed the dog or shot the dog both cooper and degan then took cover in the woods according to cooper kevin harris and samuel weaver continued walking down the road apparently not noticing the two after they had passed by on the road degan got up on one knee raised his gun and shouted stop u s marshal harris then brought the weapon around at hip level and fired he didnt bring the weapon up to eye level i saw bills arm going back and i knew he had been hit cooper fired at harris and harris went down cooper then brought his weapon to bear on samuel but did not fire at this point cooper then heard two shots to his right samuel weaver looked in the direction of the shots yelled you son of a bitch and ran toward them cooper then realized that shots were coming at him from directly ahead so he fired a three round burst at the cabin at this point he then saw samuel weaver running toward the cabin when cooper reached degan he placed his first two fingers on degan carotid artery counted two or three beats and then his heart stopped shortly thereafter roderick and the other three marshals joined him they then all heard a large burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin on cross examination david nevin questioned the point of throwing rocks into the gulley asking you wanted to lure that dog out so you could shoot that dog didnt you nevin also pointed out that in last septembers testimony cooper had claimed that he spotted weaver after the dog had left him cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and decided that thursdays account was correct nevin continued the cross examination by asking what cooper would have done had an armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at him no answer was available friday april 16 marks continued cross examination of cooper notes there was no coverage of protestors drew ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 windows re challenge to microsoft supporters rsrodger wam umd edu yamanari writes id say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare windows itself almost never crashes but it can be crashed by an errant application my personal favorite any one of the corel 3 0 programs on the other hand i have had os 2 crash randomly a number of times mostly just running its own applications i do know that ibm systems the ps 2 56slc2 in particular have absolutely no problem with os 2 never had a random crash while running any of my programs under os 2 in fact i dont remember ever crashing of course i really dont run any os 2 programs just the same bunch of dos and windows stuff that ive always been running and when i had the 56slc this is the 386slc system running dos windows i had only one crash and it was consistent ftp had a tendency to crash whenever i would get large files 1mb from particularly fast clients dtrs 150k 200k sec i figured out the problem was with smartdrvs write buffering if i turned off the write buffer everything would work fine ftp under os 2 has never locked though i can even format floppies to use the most often cited example of the superiority of os 2 for instance im still wondering why print preview in a windowed wp 5 1 dos locks up my system yeah i guess im willing to admit that os 2 is somewhat sensitive to specific hardware wp51 for dos works perfectly fine on my slc2 please explain the only time i wait on anything under windows is when im copying or formatting a floppy or when printing and even then not long i get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per minute and can still go do things slowly while its doing this ive downloaded with pp 9600 while printing well i save all my personal files to floppy and when i did that under windows a floppy save of a large file hung up the system i also found it quite bothersome to have to continually tweak the tasking options on fractint for dos whenever i wanted to do a fractal computation in the background and not being able to address your memory better than dos not sure what you mean here the idea is that os 2s dos sessions can see more memory than windows dos sessions i let xpl a shareware calculus program see around 720kb of free conventional memory which lets me do bigger symbolic manipulations than is possible under straight dos where it would see around 610kb of conventional ram i also found it really handy for my own dos based programs which without any re writing could now handle larger data sets simulate for more iterations etc of course the point is now moot since the os 2 programs i now write simply never run into memory limitations i never programmed for windows so i dont have much of a comparison here though medicine thrush was good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article aldridgec5th63 7ya netcom com aldridge netcom com jacquelin aldri writes dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes etc dyer youre rude medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour its often practiced in a disorganized manner most early treatment of non life threatening illness is done on a guess hazarded after anecdotal evidence given by the patient its an educated guess by a trained person but its still no more than a guess its cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those people who dont respond dyer is beyond rude there have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own knowledge and unopen to anything that isnt already established given what the medical community doesnt know im surprised that he has this outlook for the record i have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several past few years with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional deficiencies i had not taken any antobiotics my dentist who sees a fair amount of thrush recommended acidophilous after i began taking acidophilous on a daily basis the outbreaks ceased when i quit taking the acidophilous the outbreaks periodically resumed i resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then mike mccurdy university computing services disclaimer san diego state university mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu everything i say may be wrong baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1qkkodinn5f5 jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur i thought that was sandy koufax sam pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu baseball re mcrae is re torre the worst manager scott mccall com scott d davis writes kc news was doing a report on that they said that mcrae is really a batting coach and not a manager but for some reason he took the job whatever the reason the royals need a new manager now while it is too late and have jesse jackson picket the stadium tim evans e i du pont de nemours co tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com experimental station 302 695 9353 7395 p o box 80357 evanstk at a1 at esvax wilmington delaware 19880 0357 windows ctrl alt del locks the computer fafter windows whenever i exit windows i cant use control alt del to reboot my computer because the system hangs when i do this i can still reboot using the reset key but i would like to know why this happens eric ebosco us oracle com baseball re new uniforms in 1993apr5 224631 636 virginia edu tek2q virginia edu todd karlin writes usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season but the past few seasons have been incredible any thoughts on the new old reds uniforms i remember seeing a pete rose rookie card and unless i miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds the mets how about docs performance today have reinserted the mets patch on the shoulder and changed the mets insgnia on the front of the jersey to my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962 and it reminds me a little of the dodger logo as far as i know toronto pittsburgh and new york nl change their uniforms every year every other year e g new york it will say mets in cursive new york in cursive or new york in all caps minor changes but they do change them often last year i think they had new york in all caps did toronto have blue jays or toronto last year what about pittsburgh many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform or at least uniforms that look more traditional phillies reds expos white sox padres etc and the once bright colors have been altered to gray the trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years as opposed to the cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties i hate the gray they should opt for more color like the white sox i hate white team versus gray team spring training uniforms look much better with salaries now reaching unbelievable highs no one in the comissioners office and inter league play on the horizon its nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be medicine bates method for myopia does the bates method work i first heard about it in this newsgroup several years ago and i have just got hold of a book how to improve your sight simple daily drills in relaxation by margaret d corbett authorized instructor of the bates method published in 1953 it talks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise has there been any study on whether this method actually works if it works is it by actually shortening the previously elongated eyeball or by increasing the lenss ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the too long eyeball since myopia is the result of eyeball elongation seems to me the most logical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process i e shorten it somehow preferably non surgically has there been any recent studies on this where can i find them i know rk works by changing the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of eyeball but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the eyeball back to its correct length that would be even better batess idea right thanks for any information medicine panic disorder more success stories i posted this to sci psychology on april 3 and after seeing your post here on panice disorder thought it would be relevant my research indicates that two schools of thought exist the literature promoting medication says its the superior treatment not surprisingly literature promoting cognitive therapy also claims to be superior what are the facts early in my research i didnt have a bias towards either medication or cognitive therapy i was interested in a treatment that worked after reading journals published after 1986 the cognitive therapy camp claims a higher success rate approx 80 a lower drop out rate and no side effects associated with medication lars goran ost published an excellent article titled applied relaxation description of a coping technique and a review of controlled studies this is from behav res ther vol 25 no 5 pp 397 409 1987 the article provides instructions on how to perform applied relaxation ar briefly you start with two 15 minute sessions daily and progress in 8 12 weeks to performing 10 15 thirty second sessions daily ill snail mail this article to anyone interested usa only please international please pay for postage mark vonwaadn kuhub cc ukans edu guns waco cross posted to talk politics guns from can politics mark g salyzyn mark ve6mgs ampr org wrote cmk world std com charles m kozierok writes been to waco texas lately yes the government takes care of us all doesnt it as long as you belong to a government sanctioned religion excuse me but didnt these gun ladden cult members threaten shoot and kill some people they threatened no one their neighbours thought they were a little strange but all in all the kind of people you would want to live next door to one version has the batf serving a search warrant by jumping out of a horse trailer with guns and tossing concussion grenades if this is the true order of events then the cult could not know that a search warrant was being served and since there was no proof that these guys were police the cult had every right to defend themselves torching themselves shows briliant tactics and convinces me they realy belong in society if you watch actual footage of the fire from start to finish it is not at all clear that fire wasnt started by the tanks the people who survived are claiming that the fire was started by the tanks knocking over some kerosene lanterns the fbi is claiming that the cult started the fire they realy belong in society is a catchy phrase but im personally waiting to see what the texas rangers have to say about it all before i pass judgment why dont you do the same some more interesting facts about the waco incident 1 the original assault was conducted by batf officers wearing an assorted types of camouflage i saw on cnn at least three different types i would be hard pressed to identify a bunch of guys in bring your own battle fatigues as uniformed officers of the law even if they were claiming to be police 2 the batf has been lying from the beginning we only had handguns the original footage showed 4 batf officers on a roof top getting shot at one had an mp 5 assault sub machine gun we were out gunned sub machine guns and shotguns are the best in quarters weapon you cant be out gunned when you have the best guns available for the job we didnt know they had guns that would shoot through doors this one is the best there are very few guns that wont shoot through a household door or through a house wall for that matter since officers from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms should know that they are either lying or incredibly incompetent not to mention criminally negligent if they are shooting bullets that they think will stop when the encounter plywood we had a search warrant actually we had an arrest warrant no wait we had both yeah thats the ticket oh and theyre child molesters too and they make drugs did we mention we think they have rocket launchers the story from batf and fbi spokespeople has changed daily and their claims were getting increasingly outrageous 3 throughout the siege the fbi and batf have be claiming that one of their biggest concerns was that koresh and his followers would mass suicide now they are claiming that thats what he did and that they are surprised that he did huh all in all i think that anything the fbi and batf say should be taken with a grain or two of salt rob robert a osborne uunet ca isgtec robert or robert isgtec com guns re another nytimes yellow sheet editorial 4 4 93 feustel netcom com david feustel writes other uninformed purposefully ignorant gun control ranting deleted thanks to the n r a the a t f is prohibited from researching the effectiveness of using taggants in explosives taggants are a cheap and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help investigators at crime scenes like the world trade center bombing trace the explosives involved i want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the explosives used in the wtc bombing considering that the consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer based one ammonium nitrate to be exact of which about 90 000 tons disappears per year if i recall the stat correctly i dont have it here just one more disregarding of reality to push a point more bunk deleted aaron arc cco caltech edu baseball re lets talk phillies in article 93108 164642rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article 1993apr17 020347 9554 mgweed mgwhiz att com prg mgweed mgwhiz att com phil gunsul says ps hey kids take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents wallets and mail them to bob vesterman and send him a shift key too dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca 92093 0114 619 534 0688 or 8187 fax 619 534 7029 windows re is there a version of unixs vi editor for windoews 3 1 pete holsberg pjh mccc edu wrote subject line says it all i looked and looked but came up empty handed are you a pervert you are pervert ok vi is not cua but it has a powerful set of commands one for all it has 26 separate clipboard and not only one ofor all kind of data like windows does the only problem is to know the commands the keyboard shortcut i am quite fast with the pc keyboard and i usually use all fingers to digit so when i use a editor i do not want to leave the keyboard and use the mouse every time i need a special function on the menu or to use the arrow keys that are away from the usual position of my hands on the keyboard in my situation vi is very powerful and im searching to a vi editor for windows bye p s sorry for the bad english guns re the usual hollombe polymath tti com the polymath writes the possession of nuclear arms actually weapons grade fissionables is currently regulated only by market forces i e to own them you have to either make them buy them or steal them the only thing that stops you is the staggering cost more than most nations can afford the fact that no one who has them wants to sell to you and the tight security maintained on existing stocks just ask saddam hussein i was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials i e plutonium or reactor weapons grade uranium one was required to obtain a federal permit to own such materials given a source of fissionables you can build a bomb in your garage with parts from hardware stores and electronic junk supplies you might have to engage in some shady dealings to get the explosive charge but thats trivial compared to getting the plutonium the basic information on the design was declassified years ago and can be dug out of any technical library by a physics grad student actually why bother looking it up from the material we covered last term in 10 weeks of ge ch 127 nuclear chemistry i could derive what it would take to build a bomb and as far as the explosive charge i as a chemist could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly available chemicals in the garage if i felt like the electronics behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier however but not impossible using a few tricks of the trade and if i really wanted to be nasty i could include a core of hydrogen and deuterium of course the hardest part is getting the fissionable material to start with and living long enough to put a bomb together plutonium has some nasty properties the polymath aka jerry hollombe m a cdp aka hollombe polymath tti com head robot wrangler at citicorp laws define crime 3100 ocean park blvd 310 450 9111 x2483 police enforce laws santa monica ca 90405 citizens prevent crime aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re borlands paradox offer in article 5031 cvbnetprime com tbelmont feds55 prime com tom belmonte x4858 writes i am considering buying borlands paradox for windows since i would like to use a database with windows i dont have use one yet for both work home use i would like to advantage of borlands 129 95 until april 30 offer if this package is everything that borland claims it to be so i was wondering has anybody used this and or have any opinions yes and its pretty much what they claim i havent had time to try all of it considering the price even if you decide you dont like it it should be saleable over the next 2 3 months for what you have in it once the price goes up all in all its very serviceable and in my humble opinion more powerful than access guns re the truth starts to come out in article c5ua7r dad da vinci it uswc uswest com pprun august it uswc uswest com writes i have just one thing to say about this write your congressperson the fbi and batf storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with this demand a full investigation of the waco survivors story of the lantern being knocked over by the tank we cant bring anybody back from the dead but we may be able to send a few of them to political hell i heard over npr yesterday morning that arlan specter senator from pennsylvania has already called for a congressional investigation the problem is that specter was one of the key government attorneys several years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations of jfk and others that is to say the chief fox wants to check out the hen house writing your representatives is a great idea when you do ask that they keep specter and his cronies far away from any investigation would someone please post the generic addresses for congress and senate so that we can all write letters joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened red neck and proud of it truth is what the government chooses to tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la medicine re analgesics with diuretics in article ofk lve00wb2avukto andrew cmu edu lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu writes i sometimes see otc preparations for muscle aches back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic you certainly do not see otc preparations advertised as such the only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual syndrome ostensibly to treat headache and bloating simultaneously theyre worthless the idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid does this actually work thats not the idea and no they dont work steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer medicine re smokers lungs in article 1993apr5 123315 48837 kuhub cc ukans edu bennett kuhub cc ukans edu writes how long does it take a smokers lungs to clear of the tar after quitting does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen the answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without doing a lot of autopsies the second question is something thats been known for some time it appears that within about 15 years of quitting smoking a persons risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the person who never smoked assuming you do not get lung cancer in the interim the risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non smoker still rather low overall but significant personally id be more concerned about heart disease secondary to smoking its much more common and even a small increase in risk is significant there kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr21 145336 5912 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote and does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of his coming not even the angels in heaven but only the father himself dk was trying to play god by breaking the seals himself dk killed himself and as many of his followers as he could btw god did save the children they are in heaven a far better place how do i know by faith it seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes due to the tragedy as such it maybe fills a need however im getting tired to see children dying in pain in sudan due to lack of food and assuming that god takes these sufferers to heaven after a painful death cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr26 172836 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem the diarrhea problem what diarrhea problem first candidal overgrowth is not a frequent problem during antibiotic therapy and not all cases of antibiotic related diarrhea have anything to do with candida but a case of vaginal candidiasis or oral thrush after antibiotic therapy isnt going to surprise anyone either thats not what people are disagreeing with anti fungals a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin a supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the ph to basically starve the candida out oh really whered you come up with this you know its really appalling to see you try to comment authoritatively on clinical matters in a bizarre synthesis from reading reports in the literature bobbing for citations in the research literature isnt medicine i hope youre not giving the wrong idea to your medical students steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 734911642 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes overall crime rate it fell just like that two questions when was this and do you have the relevant numbers please note this is not in any way an indication i dont believe you or that youre not correct but when the drop occured is relevant acquiring weapons in norway you can buy almost all kinds of weapons in norway but you must have a permit and a good reason to get the permit if i would like to have a handgun i would have to get an gun licence from the police and to be a member of a gun club the primary objection beyond ones based on the ideal of rkba that it is simply not something the government should do is that it makes guns a play thing and tool of the rich and connected it discriminates against the poor is self defense considered appropriate and if so under what conditions are you allowed for instance to get a gun for protection if youre going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened the police would check my criminal records for any serious crimes and or records of serious mental diseases this has been suggested in the u s and generally supported among gun owners what many object to is that many if not most proposals contain a sort of gotcha clause which allows an arbitrary denial even if you qualify in every way now if a got my licence i would have to be an active member of the gun club for 6 months before i could collect my gun its a little like getting a drivers licence isnt it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to at this point it should be pointed out that in general a drivers licence in the u s is for the most part nothing like its european counterpart i understand getting one is far more difficult there than here in the u s its a joke but my usual objection is that youre discussing two different things for instance in the u s a drivers license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road it is not necessary to own one or to operate it on private property that is the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the governments legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands a permit to own an automobile for instance which is far closer an analogy would be a much harder thing to get past legally since it wouldnt be based on making regulations on public property but in restricting activity on private property use of guns in crimes in norway some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners arms for a long time but these are rather the exeption most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think its ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth this varies widely one thing i think europeans have a difficult time with is that the u s has fifty unique jurisdictions where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in europe to another some places allow open carry of both guns and knives some allow concealed some prohibit both or allow one or the other and it can be either a state or local restriciton individual vs masses yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others the question must be asked is the right of this individual affecting the rights of this other individual what we usually get is that the rights of this group meaning some individuals within this group here defined as people who own guns are adversely affecting the rights of some other group if for instance bob were using his gun to attack steve youd have a point but essentially what were discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group people who own guns then some third person perhaps in another time zone is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody elses rights its like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one the issue i believe the issue is guns and gun legislation the issue is crime violence and murder the question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those we shouldnt mix weapons and items that can serve as one if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that of course not it would be nice if we didnt have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us but currently we dont have that option nor do i expect we will do you think its wise to sell guns like candy some states do no state does in any case theres a limit to which the state may enforce its wisdom on me freedom in general is an unwise concept if you pre emptively restrict everything which might be unwise then freedom becomes a meaningless concept if you believe its smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns ill raise my hand against drivers licenses as currently implemented theyre a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the state and ignored by a startling number of drivers it does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car but as i mentioned theyre two different things david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re food related seizures in article c5uq9b lrj toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 116305 bu edu dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff writes many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested years ago when i was an intern an obese young woman was brought into the er comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a corn festival we pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn much of it intact kernals after a few hours she woke up and was fine i was tempted to sign her out as acute corn intoxication gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi baseball yankee thoughts yes everyone seems to be in agreement that the yankees are finally moving in the right direction they should finish over 500 this year and maybe even be in the pennent race in august however i would take back a few moves 1 the jim abbott trade i think abbott is not only an inspirational person but a great pitcher also he could win the cy young this year but he wont because the right side of the yanks infield isnt good enough so why was this not a good trade jt snow how many rookies have been able to step in and immediately have the impact that he has had so far on the angels i know its early but if youve seen this kid hit field or talk you can just tell that he is going to be a tremendous player the yanks should have kept him what about mattingly you ask well its great that the yanks have taken care of him and remained loyal but hes 10 years older than snow and just doesnt have the same bat speed as before his back injury its a shame but as a yankee fan who wants to see the best yankee team id take snow over mattingly at first the yanks also gave up two promising propects with snow for abbott besides with domingo jean brien taylor wickman militello and sterling hitchcock they are just loaded with propects i know abbotts only 26 but this was too much to give up i believe george forced this trade because he believes and hes right that abbott will be a big hit in ny however id like to see the yankees build a baseball team not an amusement show 2 wade boggs i live in boston and like wade a lot but his career is winding down and i would rather see the yanks start to develop a long term solution i e hensley muelins russ davis velarde besides wade just doesnt have any range what a shame about charlie hayes huh 3 spike owen see wade boggs id much rather see them develop dave silvestri or whoever wade and spike next to each other in the infield is going to raise the yankee staff era 1 2 point and these guys are on the down sides of their careers 4 danny tartabull yes hes put up some tremendous numbers and its nice to think about what he could do if he were ever healthy all year but he never is we should expect 120 games max out of him meanwhile gerald williams is playing at columbus and paul oneil is playing left field i believe oneil led nl outfielders in assists last year and tartabull is a poor defensive outfielder what im basically getting at is the yanks are moving in the right direction but are not ready to win a pennent this year they should at the gm level be planning for a 1994 or 1995 world series this means getting the younger players experience in the majors now so they will be ready in a year or two im afraid that all this stuff wreaks of george steinbrenner certainly the boggs deal was all george it looks like george is planning the right mix of veterans and young players to win a world series now the veterans are always available and can be added at any time like boston did this year develop the young players first then add the one or two veterans or in the yankees case just keep them lets all us yankee fans hope that george doesnt dismantle the terrific job stick and company have done building the yankee organization back into one of respect im really afraid that he will trade whoever it takes to patch holes today relief pitching for example george must realize that the yankees rebuilding process is still one or two years away have patience george and we will all enjoy the future fire bucky and trade the kids and its baseball hell for all loyal yankee fans for a long time sam im not militello or millitello mandelbaum windows re wp pcf linux risc in article c5w9j7 jll nyongwa cam org angcl nyongwa cam org claude angers writes in article c5rx8b kzp ecf toronto edu leebr ecf toronto edu lee brian writes in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc theoretically supposed to be reduced not any longer thats why everyone is arguing about risc v s cisc personally i think cisc will win out just take a look at the pentium not that i like intel architectures either but thats another story bye do you mean that the pentium is better than a risc or that it will outsell them all if the first you have to remember that intel cisc like the pentium are a always a generation away from the best riscs also riscs cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities not even on the same order but i remember reading about 3 years maybe 2 about a t800 from hypercube that did a 100 mips was superscallar and reordered its instruction itself so im not 100 sure but i think the t800 was a 25mhz transputer so ya tie a gazillion of them together to get 100mips the newest is the t9000 which kicks anyones butt havent seen them used much though anyway to respond i think the pentium cisc is better than the more advanced risc e g like the alpha etc the 66mhz pentium has approximately the same performance as the superduper 133mhz alpha here performance is the weird specint92 that everyone refers to this is what i heard the alpha still kicks in the p5s butt in fp again this is what i heard and in the computing world if you sell lots of chips like intel and make it faster like intel you are the winner like intel even though you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago like intel 0 if you can make a cisc chip superscalar superduperpipelined superfast with the ideas behind the risc ideology you got a cisc chip and then i admit i cant see the advantages of risc over cisc if the latest technology is a generation behind then it sucks relatively speaking now i may sound like i like intel but ill have to say that the p5 is some real kick butt pile of si and sio2 but i hope that motorola really catches up with the 68k line or im gonna start crying brian brian hojo lee hey excuse me miss could i have a gif of you leebr ecf toronto edu leebr eecg toronto edu try linux the best and free un x clone baseball re nl vs al in article c5dxqp hoo news rich bnr ca bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes how about game length i dont know if this is a valid statement or not but al games sure seem to last a lot longer make sure to take the sutcliff fisk ect factor into account russ anderson disclaimer any statements are my own and do not reflect upon my employer or anyone else c 1993 ex twins jack morris 10 innings pitched 0 runs world series mvp guns re riddle me this dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shapleigh writes on the subject of cs cn tear gas when i received my initial introduction to tear gas the first thing that came to mind was the location of the exit if there had been anything in the way corners to negotiate doors to open or any other obstacles to movement i would have had a difficult time exiting you couldnt find a window after six hours id bet cash 90 of the people couldnt find the window after six minutes ask anybody whos taken basic training in the military it is not at all uncommon for a few soldiers who have not properly attached and cleared their masks to require assistance exiting the chamber since that chamber has a door not just a window its likely a hell of a lot easier to exit than a multi room damaged house dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them cars re how is cizeta v16t doing in article crh 734864478 regent e technik tu muenchen de crh regent e technik tu muenchen dbp de christian huebner writes i can remember reading a track competition in some car magazine which featured the testarossa the diablo and the v16t the result was about the same i would have expected the cizeta was not only the slowest of the three but also dropped out halfway during its test laps because of smoking brakes for a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance hm i find this hard to believe v16t weights about the same as the red head but it has hell lot more horse power perhaps its due to pre production glitches well to me it still got the most imposing styling among all the sports cars i have seen bye chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de ferrari f40 best sportscar ever built personally i dont like cars that rely on turbo power i guess everyone has their favorite car windows re postscript view for dos or windows where can i find the ms windows version of ghostscript thanks in article hjstein 93apr15145240 sunrise huji ac il hjstein sunrise huji ac i l harvey j stein writes ive been using version 2 5 2 of ghostscript and im quite satisfied with it there are actually 3 versions a plain dos version a 386 version and a windows version harvey stein hjstein math huji ac il m 0 medicine re quality control in medicine in article 9307 blue cis pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst1 pitt edu writes situation qa activities are a routine part of every hospitals administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies there are even entire publications devoted to qa issues indeed i spend about 60 of my time dealing with quality stuff it is a hot number two journals worth looking at are quality review bulletin pub joint commission on accreditation of healthcare organizations one renaissance boulevard oakbrook terrace il 60181 quality in health care bmj publishing group box no 560b kennebunkport me 04046 don mackie his opinions um anesthesiology will disavow medicine hicn611 medical news part 1 4 cut here volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 health info com network medical newsletter editor david dodell d m d 10250 north 92nd street suite 210 scottsdale arizona 85258 4599 usa telephone 1 602 860 1121 fax 1 602 451 1165 compilation copyright 1993 by david dodell d m d all rights reserved license is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions the health info com network newsletter is distributed biweekly articles on a medical nature are welcomed if you have an article please contact the editor for information on how to submit 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from national cancer institute 23 publications for patients available from national cancer institute 30 6 aids news summaries aids daily summary for april 19 to april 23 1993 38 7 aids statistics worldwide aids statistics 48 hicnet medical newsletter page i volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 centers for disease control and prevention mmwr rates of cesarean delivery united states 1991 source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993 cesarean deliveries have accounted for nearly 1 million of the approximately 4 million annual deliveries in the united states since 1986 table 1 the cesarean rate in the united states is the third highest among 21 reporting countries exceeded only by brazil and puerto rico 1 this report presents data on cesarean deliveries from cdcs national hospital discharge survey nhds for 1991 and compares these data with previous years data on discharges from short stay nonfederal hospitals have been collected annually since 1965 in the nhds conducted by cdcs national center for health statistics for 1991 medical and demographic information were abstracted from a sample of 274 000 inpatients discharged from 484 participating hospitals the 1991 cesareans and vaginal births after a prior cesarean vbac presented in this report are based on weighted national estimates from the nhds sample of approximately 31 000 11 women discharged after delivery the estimated numbers of live births by type of delivery were calculated by applying cesarean rates from the nhds to live births from national vital registration data therefore estimates of the number of cesareans in this report will not agree with previously published data based solely on the nhds 2 stated differences in this analysis are significant at the 95 confidence level based on the two tailed t test with a critical value of 1 96 in 1991 there were 23 5 cesareans per 100 deliveries the same rate as in 1990 and similar to rates during 1986 1989 table 1 the primary cesarean rate i e number of first cesareans per 100 deliveries to women who had no previous cesareans for 1986 1991 also was stable ranging from 16 8 to 17 5 in 1991 the cesarean rate in the south was 27 6 significantly p 0 05 higher than the rates for the west 19 8 midwest 21 8 and northeast 22 6 rates were higher for mothers aged greater than or equal to 30 years than for younger women in proprietary hospitals than in nonprofit or government hospitals in hospitals with fewer than 300 beds than in larger hospitals and for deliveries for which blue cross blue shield and other private insurance is the expected source of payment than for other sources of payment table 2 the same pattern characterized primary cesarean deliveries since the early 1970s the number and percentage of births to older women increased however if the age distribution of mothers in 1991 had remained the same as in 1986 the overall cesarean rate in 1991 would have been 23 3 essentially the same as the 23 5 observed based on the nhds of the approximately 4 111 000 live births in 1991 an hicnet medical newsletter page 1 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 estimated 966 000 23 5 were by cesarean delivery of these an estimated 338 000 35 0 births were repeat cesareans and 628 000 65 0 were primary cesareans since 1986 approximately 600 000 primary cesareans have been performed annually in 1986 8 5 of women who had a previous cesarean delivered vaginally compared with 24 2 in 1991 of all cesareans in 1991 35 0 were associated with a previous cesarean 30 4 with dystocia i e failure of labor to progress 11 7 with breech presentation 9 2 with fetal distress and 13 7 with all other specified complications the average hospital stay for all deliveries in 1991 was 2 8 days in comparison the hospital stay for a primary cesarean delivery was 4 5 days and for a repeat cesarean 4 2 days nearly twice the duration for vbac deliveries 2 2 days or for vaginal deliveries that were not vbacs 2 3 days in 1986 the average hospital stay for all deliveries was 3 2 days for primary cesareans 5 2 days for repeat cesareans 4 7 days and for vbac and non vbac vaginal deliveries 2 7 and 2 6 days respectively reported by office of vital and health statistics systems national center for health statistics cdc editorial note the cesarean rate in the united states steadily increased from 1965 through 1986 however the findings in this report indicate that rates have been stable since 1986 3 because there is little evidence that maternal and child health status has improved during this time and because cesareans are associated with an increased risk for complications of childbirth a national health objective for the year 2000 4 is to reduce the overall cesarean rate to 15 or fewer per 100 deliveries and the primary cesarean rate to 12 or fewer per 100 deliveries objective 14 8 postpartum complications including urinary tract and wound infections may account in part for the longer hospital stays for cesarean deliveries than for vaginal births 5 moreover the prolonged hospital stays for cesarean deliveries substantially increase health care costs for example in 1991 the average costs for cesarean and vaginal deliveries were 7826 and 4720 respectively the additional cost for each cesarean delivery includes 611 for physician fees and 2495 for hospital charges 6 if the cesarean rate in 1991 had been 15 the year 2000 objective instead of 23 5 the number of cesarean births would have decreased by 349 000 617 000 versus 966 000 resulting in a savings of more than 1 billion in physician fees and hospital charges despite the steady increase in vbac rates since 1986 several factors may impede progress toward the year 2000 national health objectives for cesarean delivery for example vbac rates substantially reflect the number of women offered trial of labor which has been increasingly encouraged since 1982 7 of women who are offered a trial of labor 50 70 could deliver vaginally 7 a level already achieved by many hospitals 8 trial of labor was routinely offered in 46 of hospitals surveyed in 1984 the most recent year for which hicnet medical newsletter page 2 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 national data are available 9 when the vbac rate according to nhds data was 5 7 the year 2000 objective specifies a vbac rate of 35 based on all women who had a prior cesarean regardless of whether a trial of labor was attempted to reach the overall cesarean rate goal however increases in the vbac rate will need to be combined with a substantial reduction in the primary rate one hospital succeeded in reducing the rate of cesarean delivery by applying objective criteria for the four most common indications for cesarean delivery by requiring a second opinion and by instituting a peer review process 10 other recommendations for decreasing cesarean delivery rates include eliminating incentives for physicians and hospitals by equalizing reimbursement for vaginal and cesarean deliveries public dissemination of physician and hospital specific cesarean delivery rates to increase public awareness of differences in practices and addressing malpractice concerns which may be an important factor in maintaining the high rates of cesarean delivery 4 references 1 notzon fc international differences in the use of obstetric interventions jama 1990 263 3286 91 2 graves ej nchs 1991 summary national hospital discharge survey hyattsville maryland us department of health and human services public health service cdc 1993 advance data no 227 3 taffel sm placek pj kosary cl u s cesarean section rates 1990 an update birth 1992 19 21 2 4 public health service healthy people 2000 national health promotion and disease prevention objectives full report with commentary washington dc us department of health and human services public health service 1991 dhhs publication no phs 91 50212 5 danforth dn cesarean section jama 1985 253 811 8 6 hospital insurance association of america table 4 15 cost of maternity care physicians fees and hospital charges by census region based on consumer price index 1991 in 1992 source book of health insurance data washington dc hospital insurance association of america 1992 7 committee on obstetrics acog committee opinion no 64 guidelines for vaginal delivery after a previous cesarean birth washington dc american college of obstetricians and gynecologists 1988 hicnet medical newsletter page 3 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 8 rosen mg dickinson jc vaginal birth after cesarean a meta analysis of indicators for success obstet gynecol 1990 76 865 9 9 shiono ph fielden jg mcnellis d rhoads gg pearse wh recent trends in cesarean birth and trial of labor rates in the united states jama 1987 257 494 7 10 myers sa gleicher n a successful program to lower cesarean section rates n engl j med 1988 319 1511 6 use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the public health service or the u s department of health and human services hicnet medical newsletter page 4 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 malaria among u s embassy personnel kampala uganda 1992 source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993 the treatment and prevention of malaria in africa has become a challenging and complex problem because of increasing drug resistance although the risk of acquiring malaria for u s citizens and their dependents stationed overseas generally has been low this risk varies substantially and unpredictably during may 1992 the office of medical services department of state oms dos and cdc were notified of an increased number of malaria cases among official u s personnel stationed in kampala uganda a review of the health records from the embassy health unit ehu in kampala indicated that 27 cases of malaria were diagnosed in official personnel from march through june 1992 compared with two cases during the same period in 1991 ehu oms dos and cdc conducted an investigation to confirm all reported malaria cases and identify potential risk factors for malaria among u s embassy personnel this report summarizes the results of the investigation malaria blood smears from 25 of the 27 reported case patients were available for review by oms dos and cdc a case of malaria was confirmed if the slide was positive for plasmodium sp of the 25 persons 17 were slide confirmed as having malaria a questionnaire was distributed to all persons served by the ehu to obtain information about residence activities use of malaria chemoprophylaxis and use of personal protection measures i e using bednets and insect repellents having window and door screens and wearing long sleeves and pants in the evening of the 157 persons eligible for the survey 128 82 responded risk for malaria was not associated with sex or location of residence in kampala although the risk for malaria was higher among children aged less than or equal to 15 years 6 32 19 than among persons greater than 15 years 11 94 12 this difference was not significant relative risk rr 1 6 95 confidence interval ci 0 6 4 0 eighty two percent of the cases occurred among persons who had been living in kampala for 1 5 years compared with those living there less than 1 year travel outside of the kampala area to more rural settings was not associated with increased risk for malaria four malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens were used by persons who participated in the survey mefloquine chloroquine and proguanil chloroquine alone and proguanil alone in addition 23 18 persons who responded were not using any malaria chemoprophylaxis the risk for malaria was significantly lower among persons using either mefloquine or chloroquine and proguanil 8 88 9 than among persons using the other regimens or no prophylaxis 9 37 24 rr 0 4 95 ci 0 2 0 9 twelve persons not using prophylaxis reported side effects or fear of possible side effects as a reason the risk for malaria was lower among persons who reported using bednets hicnet medical newsletter page 5 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 all or most of the time 2 27 7 than among persons who sometimes or rarely used bednets 15 99 15 rr 0 5 95 ci 0 1 2 0 the risk for malaria was also lower among persons who consistently used insect repellent in the evening 0 16 compared with those who rarely used repellent 17 110 15 rr 0 upper 95 confidence limit 1 2 risk for malaria was not associated with failure to have window or door screens or wear long sleeves or pants in the evening as a result of this investigation ehu staff reviewed with all personnel the need to use and comply with the recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens ehu staff also emphasized the need to use personal protection measures and made plans to obtain insecticide impregnated bednets and to provide window and door screens for all personnel reported by u s embassy health unit kampala uganda office of medical svcs dept of state washington d c malaria br div of parasitic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc editorial note in uganda the increase in malaria among u s personnel was attributed to poor adherence to both recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens and use of personal protection measures during a period of increased malaria transmission and intensified chloroquine resistance in sub saharan africa the findings in this report underscore the need to provide initial and continued counseling regarding malaria prevention for persons living abroad in malaria endemic areas preventive measures that are also important for short term travelers to such areas mefloquine is an effective prophylaxis regimen in africa and in most other areas with chloroquine resistant p falciparum however in some areas e g thailand resistance to mefloquine may limit its effectiveness in africa the efficacy of mefloquine compared with chloroquine alone in preventing infection with p falciparum is 92 1 mefloquine is safe and well tolerated when given at 250 mg per week over a 2 year period the risk for serious adverse reactions possibly associated with mefloquine prophylaxis e g psychosis and convulsions is low i e 1 3 1 9 episodes per 100 000 users 2 while the risk for less severe adverse reactions e g dizziness gastrointestinal complaints and sleep disturbances is similar to that for other antimalarial chemoprophylactics 1 doxycycline has similar prophylactic efficacy to mefloquine but the need for daily dosing may reduce compliance with and effectiveness of this regimen 3 4 chloroquine alone is not effective as prophylaxis in areas of intense chloroquine resistance e g southeast asia and africa in africa for persons who cannot take mefloquine or doxycycline chloroquine and proguanil is an alternative although less effective regimen chloroquine should be used for malaria prevention in areas only where chloroquine resistant p falciparum has not been reported country specific recommendations for preventing malaria and information hicnet medical newsletter page 6 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 on the dosage and precautions for malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens are available from health information for international travel 1992 i e yellow book 5 or 24 hours a day by telephone or fax 404 332 4555 references 1 lobel ho miani m eng t et al long term malaria prophylaxis with weekly mefloquine in peace corps volunteers an effective and well tolerated regimen lancet 1993 341 848 51 2 world health organization review of central nervous system adverse events related to the antimalarial drug mefloquine 1985 1990 geneva world health organization 1991 publication no who mal 91 1063 3 pang l limsomwong n singharaj p prophylactic treatment of vivax and falciparum malaria with low dose doxycycline j infect dis 1988 158 1124 7 4 pang l limsomwong n boudreau ef singharaj p doxycycline prophylaxis for falciparum malaria lancet 1987 1 1161 4 5 cdc health information for international travel 1992 atlanta us department of health and human services public health service 1992 98 dhhs publication no cdc 92 8280 hicnet medical newsletter page 7 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 fda approval of use of a new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine and a combined diphtheria tetanus pertussis and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine for infants and children source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993 haemophilus influenzae type b hib conjugate vaccines have been recommended for use in infants since 1990 and their routine use in infant vaccination has contributed to the substantial decline in the incidence of hib disease in the united states 1 3 vaccines against diphtheria tetanus and pertussis during infancy and childhood have been administered routinely in the united states since the late 1940s and has been associated with a greater than 90 reduction in morbidity and mortality associated with infection by these organisms because of the increasing number of vaccines now routinely recommended for infants a high priority is the development of combined vaccines that allow simultaneous administration with fewer separate injections the food and drug administration fda recently licensed two new products for vaccinating children against these diseases 1 the haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetanus toxoid conjugate acthib trademark for vaccination against hib disease only and 2 a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole cell pertussis vaccine dtp and hib conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark a combination of vaccines formulated for use in vaccinating children against diphtheria tetanus pertussis and hib disease acthib trademark on march 30 1993 the fda approved a new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine polyribosylribitol phosphate tetanus toxoid conjugate prp t manufactured by pasteur merieux serum et vaccins and distributed as acthib trademark by connaught laboratories inc swiftwater pennsylvania this vaccine has been licensed for use in infants in a three dose primary vaccination series administered at ages 2 4 and 6 months previously unvaccinated infants 7 11 months of age should receive two doses 2 months apart previously unvaccinated children 12 14 months of age should receive one dose a booster dose administered at 15 months of age is recommended for all children previously unvaccinated children 15 59 months of age should receive a single dose and do not require a booster more than 90 of infants receiving a primary vaccination series of acthib trademark consecutive doses at 2 4 and 6 months of age develop a geometric mean titer of anti haemophilus b polysaccharide antibody greater than 1 ug ml 4 this response is similar to that of infants who receive recommended series of previously licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for which efficacy has been demonstrated in prospective trials two u s efficacy trials of prp t were terminated early because of the concomitant licensure of other haemophilus b conjugate vaccines hicnet medical newsletter page 8 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 for use in infants 4 in these studies no cases of invasive hib disease were detected in approximately 6000 infants vaccinated with prp t these and other studies suggest that the efficacy of prp t vaccine will be similar to that of the other licensed hib vaccines tetramune trademark on march 30 1993 the fda approved a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole cell pertussis vaccine dtp and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark available from lederle praxis biologicals pearl river new york combines two previously licensed products dtp triimmunol registered manufactured by lederle laboratories pearl river new york and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine hibtiter registered manufactured by praxis biologics inc rochester new york this vaccine has been licensed for use in children aged 2 months 5 years for protection against diphtheria tetanus pertussis and hib disease when indications for vaccination with dtp vaccine and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine coincide based on demonstration of co mparable or higher antibody responses to each of the components of the two vaccines tetramune trademark is expected to provide protection against hib as well as diphtheria tetanus and pertussis equivalent to that of already licensed formulations of other dtp and haemophilus b vaccines the advisory committee for immunization practices acip recommends that all infants receive a primary series of one of the licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines beginning at 2 months of age and a booster dose at age 12 15 months 5 the acip also recommends that all infants receive a four dose primary series of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine at 2 4 6 and 15 18 months of age and a booster dose at 4 6 years 6 8 a complete statement regarding recommendations for use of acthib trademark and tetramune trademark is being developed reported by office of vaccines research and review center for biologics evaluation and research food and drug administration div of immunization national center for prevention svcs meningitis and special pathogens br div of bacterial and mycotic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc references 1 adams wg deaver ka cochi sl et al decline of childhood haemophilus influenzae type b hib disease in the hib vaccine era jama 1993 269 221 6 2 broadhurst le erickson rl kelley pw decrease in invasive haemophilus influenzae disease in u s army children 1984 through 1991 jama 1993 269 227 31 3 murphy tv white ke pastor p et al declining incidence of haemophilus influenzae type b disease since introduction of vaccination jama hicnet medical newsletter page 9 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 1993 269 246 8 4 fritzell b plotkin s efficacy and safety of a haemophilus influenzae type b capsular polysaccharide tetanus protein conjugate vaccine j pediatr 1992 121 355 62 5 acip haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for prevention of haemophilus influenzae type b disease among infants and children two months of age and older recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1991 40 no rr 1 6 acip diphtheria tetanus and pertussis recommendations for vaccine use and other preventive measures recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1991 40 no rr 10 7 acip pertussis vaccination acellular pertussis vaccine for reinforcing and booster use supplementary acip statement recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1992 41 no rr 1 8 acip pertussis vaccination acellular pertussis vaccine for the fourth and fifth doses of the dtp series update to supplementary acip statement recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1992 41 no rr 15 use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the public health service or the u s department of health and human services hicnet medical newsletter page 10 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 dental news international workshop explores oral manifestations of hiv infection nidr research digest written by jody dove march 1993 national institute of dental research at the second international workshop on the oral manifestations of hiv infection held january 31 february 3 in san francisco participants explored issues related to the epidemiology basic molecular virology mucosal immunology and oral clinical presentations of hiv infection the workshop was organized by dr john greenspan and dr deborah greenspan of the department of stomatology school of dentistry university of california san francisco an international steering committee and scientific program committee provided guidance the conference drew more than 260 scientists from 39 countries including asia africa europe central america south america as well as the united states and canada support tor the workshop was provided by the national institute of dental research the national cancer institute the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases the nih office of aids research and the procter and gamble company among the topics discussed were the epidemiology of hiv lesions ethics professional responsibility and public policy occupational issues provision of oral care to the hiv positive population salivary hiv transmission and mucosal immunity opportunistic infections pediatric hiv infection and womens issues recommendations recommendations emerged from the workshop to define the association between the appearance of oral lesions and rate of progression of hiv to establish a universal terminology for hiv associated oral lesions to look for more effective treatments for oral manifestations to expand molecular biology studies to understand the relationship between hiv infection and common oral lesions and to study the effects of hiv therapy on oral lesions epidemiology since the first international workshop on oral manifestations of hiv infection was convened five years ago the epidemiology of hiv infection has hicnet medical newsletter page 11 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 radically changed in 1988 hiv infection was detected and reported largely in homosexual and bisexual males intravenous drug users and hemophiliacs today more hiv infection is seen in heterosexual males and females and in children and adolescents while the predominant impact of hiv infection has been felt in africa a major increase in infection rate is being seen in southeast asia as well five hundred thousand cases have been reported to date in this region and more are appearing all the time researchers are continuing to document the epidemiology of oral lesions such as hairy leukoplakia and candidiasis they also are beginning to explore the relationships between specific oral lesions and hiv disease progression and prognosis social political issues discussion on the social and political implications of hiv infection focused on changing the publics attitude that aids is retribution for indiscriminate sexual behavior and drug use speakers also addressed health care delivery for hiv infected patients and the need to educate the public about what aids is and how it is acquired saliva and salivary glands conference speakers described transmission issues and the hiv inhibitory activity of saliva the strength of which varies among the different salivary secretions whole saliva has a greater inhibitory effect than submandibular secretions which in turn have a greater inhibitory effect than parotid secretions research has shown that at least two mechanisms are responsible for salivary inhibitory activity they attributed the hiv inhibitory effect of saliva to the 1 aggregation agglutination of hiv by saliva which may both promote clearance of virus and prevent it reaching a target cell and 2 direct effects on the virus or target cells other topics discussed were the manifestation of salivary gland disease in hiv infected persons and current research on oral mucosal immunity pediatric issues pediatric aids recently has emerged as an area of intense interest with early and accurate diagnosis and proper treatment the life expectancy of hiv infected children has tripled the prevention of transmission of hiv from mother to child may be possible in many cases particularly if the mothers sero status is known prior to giving birth periodontal and gingival tissue disease hicnet medical newsletter page 12 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 oral health researchers continue to explore periodontal diseases and gingivitis found in individuals with hiv infection recommendations made at the workshop include the standardization of terminology refinement of diagnostic markers standardization of study design and proper consideration of confounding variables resulting from periodontal therapy occupational and treatment issues occupational issues surrounding the treatment of hiv infected individuals and treatment rendered by hiv infected health care professionals still command considerable attention factors under consideration include the cost benefit of hiv testing patient to health care provider transmission of hiv infection and the reverse and the use of mainstream versus dedicated facilities for the treatment of hiv infected patients conference participants anticipate that a third international workshop on the oral manifestations of hiv infection will be held in five years or less proceedings from the second workshop will be published by the quintessence company in late 1993 end of part 1 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735315429 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away well may i point out that paranoia is an irrational fear without basis in reality as weve seen here in the us there is nothing irrational about it perhaps you folks in finland have been down on your knees being good little boys and girls so that the former soviet union didnt come across the border and stomp the snot out of you for so long that you just figure everybody should be so accomodating to tyranny 2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where 3 stop posting on this newsgroup if you dont like us talking about political issues involving attacks on people for owning guns dont read talk politics guns we are all so glad youre trying to save us from the evil goverment but would you mail this in regular mail to lets say 1000 people nobodys trying to save you from anything so butt out i couldnt care less about what somebody on the other side of the world thinks about this of course you do have a right to an opinion but ive always figured that opinons are like hemmorhoids every assholes got them i just dont care about yours i remember what i was doing bad boy whatcha gonna do when i heard that jfk had been shot whatcha gonna do will you remember the battle of waco when they come for you ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com baseball re when is melido due back in article nittmo 734981173 camelot nittmo camelot bradley edu christopher taylor writes when are the yankees planning on activating melido perez his 15 days on the dl are up today but are they bringing him back this weekend thanks for any info the chicago tribune pitching form has perez pitching today 4 16 but given the way that buck changes his rotation so often that could just be the work of a confused stat page editor adam as16 midway uchicago edu aka mercutio obligatory go yankees for baseball season 5338 s woodlawn ave apt 2 chicago il 60615 312 667 3586 medicine what is intersection syndrome near the forearm wrist hi i went to the orthopedist on tuesday he diagnosed me as having intersection syndrome he prescribed feldene for me i want to know more about the disease and the drug thanks somesh medicine klonopin and pregnancy a from adwright iastate edu a a woman i know is tapering off klonopin i believe that is one of the a benzodiazopines she is taking a very minimal dose right now half a tablet a a day she is also pregnant my question is are there any known cases where a klonopin or similar drug has caused harmful effects to the fetus a how about cases where the mother took klonopin or similar substance and had a normal baby any information is appreciated she wants to get a feel for a what sort of risk she is taking she is in her first month of pregnancy klonopin according to the pdr physicians desk reference is not a proven teratogen there are isolated case reports of malformations but it is impossible to establish cause effect relationships the overwhelming majority of women that take klonopin while pregnant have normal babies slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein windows biobliography program info needed please i think somebody posted some info about a biobliography program one or two months ago i dont rember the detail what id like to have is one software to organize the literature im refereing for scientific publications the functions id like would be a able to do data base managment b able to print with special formats for different journals any info would be appreciated yi ming wang radiation laboratory university of notre dame wang 29 nd edu windows re need windows logo in a previous article dmmatt cajun wrote in article 1qjqed 1ft access digex net holland access digex com brian holland writes markus maier s maier m rzmain rz uni ulm de wrote hi well im searching for the ms windows logo u know the picture when u start windows in some suitable grafics format like gif or jpg c windows system vgalogo rle if my memory serves me correctly rle is a compressed bmp format an is readable by wingif paintshop pro paint and god knows how many other programs that isnt enough to change your windows startup logo vgalogo rle is not needed after you have installed windows it is incorporated as a part of win com to make a new win com you have to concatinate three files together using the b option for a binary concatonation i beleive it is copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle mywin com make sure you backup your win com file in anotehr directory before you do this i absent mindedly typed win com instead of mywin com and had to resinstall windows anyway substitute whatever rle file you want the win cnf has the info needed to start windows think of it as a bootstrap and vgalogo vga has video information just make sure that the rle file doesnt tip the whole com file size over the 64k limit of a com file so anyway i use mywin com to startup ms windows now instead of that annoying micro oft advertisment i have the joker yes from batman taking yoru picture from the screen saying smile also a little bit of text micro oft windows the worlds first commercially sucessful virus i added that because of the frequency of crashes grin rob a post by rob mohns rmohns i had no water so vax clarku edu i drowned in sand windows windows and ati ultra mach8 chip sizing question i have just upgraded from a trident tvga9000 to an ati graphics ultra the old mach8 chip i am quite pleased with the performance so far but have one problem when using windows in 800x600 i have noticed that the tile bars and scroll bars are significantly larger than they were when i was using the trident card is there a setting in my ini files that i can change to make these smaller i could not find the faq for this list mike mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca windows re windows for workgroups and lan workplace hey sounds great does that mean that w4wg works with odi i thought it uses ndis wfwg does use ndis but it cooperates well with the ndis shim for odi ive heard that it is as fast as ndis direct my problem is that lan workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my umbs so id hate to have to load many more drivers to make w4wg work along the additional tsr load is minimal i think i eat another 20k total this is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my windows nt box novell hasnt released a decent nt novell client yet so i share through my wfwg box this solution is very usable baseball re jewish baseball players once on jeopardy the category was jewish sports heros believe it or not the answer was this pitcher had four no hitters with the dodgers in the 60s the contestant said who is hank aaron alex trebek said something like i dont think hank aaron was a pitcher david fry fry math harvard edu division of applied sciences fry huma1 bitnet harvard university harvard huma1 fry cambridge ma 02138 guns randy weaver trial update day 5 note these trial updates are summarized from reports in the idaho statesman and the local nbc affiliate television station ktvb channel 7 randy weaver kevin harris trial update day 5 monday april 19 1993 was the fifth day of the trial synopsis government informant kenneth fadeley testified that randy weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the national firearms act of 1934 u s district court judge edward lodge asks jurors not to hear accounts of the waco fire because of possible influences on the weaver harris case the testimony of fbi special agent greg rampton apparently ended without further incident as it was mentioned neither by ktvb nor the idaho statesman the day was highlighted by the testimony of kenneth fadeley who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person named gus magiosono fadeley testified that he was acting as an informant for the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms in his dealings with randy weaver fadeley began by stating that he had met weaver in 1987 at an aryan nations summer conference in hayden lake idaho the two then met again october 11 1989 note the huge separation in time at a restaurant in sandpoint idaho to begin a weapons transaction he stated that weaver had said he felt like he weaver was being prepared to do something dangerous for the white cause the two later met october 24 1989 behind the restaurant and later went to a city park to make the sale during this second meeting fadeley was wearing a small recording device to tape the conversation weaver allegedly showed him an h r 12 gauge shotgun with a 13 inch barrel and an overall length of 19 25 inches he additionally showed a remington 12 gauge shotgun with a 12 75 inch barrel and an overall length of 24 5 inches nfa requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel length and an overall length of 26 inches on tape weaver is reported to have said that he could perform better work once his machine shop is set up the two then discuss the possibility of future sales fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars for the two guns and promises the balance of one hundred fifty dollars when they next meet note that the atf could have simply arrested him here why did they wait until january 1991 over a year later to arrest him this is not explained the next meeting took place on nov 30 1989 fadeley stated that his source had only come up with one hundred dollars instead of the one hundred fifty hed promised at this point weaver suspected he was dealing with an informant i had a guy in spokane tell me you were bad fadeley managed to convince weaver otherwise the idaho statesman states explicitly that three tapes were made of conversations with randy weaver thus each of these meetings must have been recorded however the statesman also reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving vicki weaver randy weavers wife was played to the court there must have also been phone taps these tapes were played to the court via both headphones and loudspeakers under the objections of gerry spence weavers attorney spence said to a ktvb reporter that he wanted to make sure that the government proved its case if it has a case at all according to the rules randy weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his wifes voice on the tape u s district court judge edward lodge asked jurors not to hear accounts of the waco fire because of possible influences on the weaver harris case exactly how such information could affect this trial is not explained other notes sunday evening there was a report on ktvb concerning kevin harris unnamed agents within the fbi admit that they are surprised that kevin harris is still alive first they were surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound s sustained in the initial firefight at the y junction later when randy weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that harris had been struck not weaver finally there was a report that the fbi agent who killed vicki weaver believed he was aiming at kevin harris instead this is what was reported critics are charging that the fbi was blatantly trying to eliminate the only non government witness to the deaths of samuel weaver and deputy marshal william degan some local people believe that harriss survival is simply due to divine intervention tuesday april 20 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial kenneth fadeleys testimony is scheduled to continue guns sign of the times article in this mornings houston post negotiators send food to rebellious inmates as humanitarian gesture speaking about the ohio prison riot where they have killed at least one of the hostage guards i know its not the same group but the mindset appears to be common to those what rule here lately they wont give diddley to the bds in waco but they treat criminals as deserving of humanitarian gestures this is but another indicator that the criminal caste seems to enjoy more priviliges in todays society than their victims or other law abiding citizens what is it that makes the criminal so precious to the leaders of the system could it be that the criminal is one of the tools the authorities are using to excuse some of the rights negation they are trying to foist upon the law abiding citizen in the name of crime control dont solve the crime problem because then the citizen couldnt be held hostage to our help if the crime problem were solved in favor of the citizen victim at the expense of the criminal none of the crap such as rico and gun banning could be used as excuses to work the agenda of those who would control our every move and thought olx 2 2 if i have to explain you wouldnt understand ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport the idea of the card is bull in and of its self but im curious to know do they plan on making it a requirement to always have it on you or is it only going to be required to be presented when trying to ge medical aid btw anybody planning on shaving hillarys head to look for 666 8 later dave days goverment logic or just the clintons david h slack boise surface mount center email slack hpdmd48 boi hp com telnet 323 4019 phone 208 323 4019 hewlett packard 11213 chinden blvd boise idaho 83714 1023 m s 625 guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you you dont make me angry you just make me chuckle i remeber being in bellingham washington and seeing a you consider laughing at others civilized behavior what was i supposed to learn from your article treat people like dogs i am not impressed by your attitude baseball re best homeruns how about brooks robinsons last homerun ever 268 came on 4 19 77 at memorial stadium with one out and two on in the bottom of the 10th inning larry harlow was due up but brooks pinch hit a 3 2 pitch from dave laroche into the left field bleachers for a 6 5 win brian klaff windows winword grammer checker saved my liff 1 fire up microsoft word for windows version 2 0c 2 type the following paragraph if you want to rite really very dead good you just cant live without one of the wonderfully write aids what youre can get what helps me impress me boss 3 under tools options grammar select use grammar and style rules strictly all rules and click ok 4 run the grammar checker this also does a spelling check no complaints readability passive sentences 0 flesch reading ease 84 5 flesch grade level 6 6 flesch kincaid 5 2 gunning fog index 8 7 tl someone buy malcolm bacchus some beer please baseball re ray lankford question in article 1993apr20 165918 16574 mnemosyne cs du edu msilverm nyx cs du edu mike silverman writes does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths his performance at the plate may well be from the shoulder injury received when he ran into the wall making a catch in the cincy series it may also be him pressing a little as for the baserunning it does not appear to be just lankford dent made the bad call sending lankford in the sunday night game against cincy but everyone had a bad time against the dodgers catcher whereis the ray lankford we saw last year good question at least it doesnt appear that we are seeing the same zeile h bob netherton missouri pacific sun microsystems o mp dallas tx 5001 o o o o o o guns re we knew it would happen god forgive me for being an american who pays taxes to a government that commits atrocities like the waco massacre of 1993 dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds religion odds and ends just a few cheap shots a christianity riddle what is the shortest street in jerusalem answer the street of the righteous poles limrick there was an archeologist thostle who found an amazing fossil by the way it was bent and the knot it the end twas the penis of paul the apostle jingle christianity hits the spot twelve apostles thats a lot jesus christ and a virgin too christianitys the faith for you with apologies to pepsi cola and its famous jingle riddle how many christians does it take to save a light bulb answer none only jesus can save aphorism jesus saves moses invests proof that jesus was jewish 1 he lived at home till he was 33 2 he went into his fathers business 3 he thought he mother was a virgin 4 his mother thought he was god qed so long you all bob kolker i would rather spend eternity in hell with interesting people than eternity in heaven with christians if you cant love the constitution then at least hate the government medicine re vitamin a and hearing loss in article 1993apr30 194806 10652 banana fedex com claude banana fedex com claude bowie writes i heard a news report indicating research showing improved hearing in people taking vitamin a the research showed that new growth replaced damaged hairlike nerves has anyone heard about this claude ive not heard or read anything that would suggest that vitamin a retinol could reverse hearing loss due to nerve damage usually caused by high sound levels but also occassionally due to severe infection the types of cells that vitamin a regulates are the general epithelial cells and these cell types are not the ones that function in the ear hearing process the hair cell nerve like epithelial cells in the ear may respond to vitamin a during cellular differentiation embryogenesis but i dont know if they are still capable of responding in adults if they are capable of responding with new hair growth this would be a very major breakthrough in hearing loss with all of the medical interest in vitamin a it would not be too surprising if a clinical study was done using vitamin a to reverse hearing loss but with only a news announcement to go on and this type of communication is notoriously bad i cant comment on your question anymore than i already have if one study has been done more will need to follow to firm up a link between vitamin a and hearing loss if there really is one marty b baseball bonilla bobby bonilla supposedly use the word faggot when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse should he be banned from baseball for a year like schott medicine request faq hi i have a friend who is interested in subscribing to this newsgroup unfortunatly she does not have usenet access if someone could send her a faq and info on how to subscribe wed be very appreciative if you want to send it to me you can and i will get it to her i do not read this newsgroup regularly though so e mail please thank you jody jody rebecca colby college majors history sociology class o 94 e mail jrgould colby edu samuel paul rutgers edu fantasy music colors and animals will lead this society out of oppression baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr15 214421 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes i remember reading somewhere that 7 of the league was jewish during the 50s now there is practically nobody guns re 2nd amendment dead good jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so you think wrong ask the fbi theyve got the proof look it up the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes you lie like a snake the vast majority of the 200 million firearms in this country are never used in anger your feelings notwithstanding too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery in the near future federal martials will come for your arms no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault we will overcome the kind of blind pig headed utterly stupid idiocy that you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas we will make the truth be known despite your best efforts to the contrary the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way the second amendment wont be dead unless it is repealed that wont happen ever accept this find another way to try and control others lives because we see you for what you are and we are not fooled mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin religion 6 apr 93 gods promise in john 16 24 hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name ask and ye shall receive that your joy may be full john 16 24 cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what one thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the sc1 vs the japanese cars is the saturns no dicker sticker this makes the saturns price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the japanese competition on paper but in reality one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the japanese cars admittedly though here in canada at least the sc2 is in the same price class as the civic si not the sc1 steve hui guns don kates talk on the branch davidians this was posted by lyn bates to the firearms politics mailing list i recently learned that don kates was going to be in boston to give a talk at the harbard law school about the waco situation of course this was all set up after the incident started but long before its unhappy conclusion so yesterday i went to hear him what follows is a rough summary of what i think i heard him say which should not be taken as exactly what he actually said kates started by saying that since he didnt know any more about the fire than the audience did it had just happened the day before he would not discuss that but would concentrate on the original raid koresh definitely was not playing with a full deck but so what this isnt the first time that the leader of a new small religious group has been ridiculed by the public extreme religious views nearly always fuel hatred and mistrust the first amendment applies maybe especially to people like koresh lengthy digression into the history of police organizations in the us there were none until about 1830 when they began in metropolitan areas police originally were not armed if they found a crime in progress they called local armed citizens to help many began to carry arms for protection despite regulations against them eventually the laws were changed to allow them to carry guns the original intent was to have many small police departments jealous of one another and competitive but not large enough to be a threat to liberty hence the plethora of organizations ranging from postal inspectors to the coast guard when the fbi was started agents did not have the authority oto carry guns they were to be after all a bureau of investigation not a police force all police agencies will be misused by anyone in power to maintain that power the batf started as a tax collection agency whose primary job was to raid illegal stills when the price of sugar went up so high that moonshiners no longer found their trade no longer profitable many illegal stills disappeared and the batf needed something else to do to justify its existence so it turned to activities like phony raids on gun stores around the time when the batfs annual budget is under review the media is alerted by the batf to come to such and such a place where at a pre arranged time a bunch of cars full of batf agents roar up to the door and the media get great pictures of the agents entering the premises of a gun dealer suspected of not keeping books properly the media isnt invited in for the boring hours of agents leafing through paperwork but if any irregularities are found the media gets to cover the agents removing armfuls of guns from the premises and the luckless ffl in chains the waco incident happened a few weeks before batfs budget was up for review kates opinion is that it was a staged publicity stunt that went bad and that the batf never thought for a moment that they would actually be shot at or they would have planned the raid differently not sending 100 agents over open ground with no cover for example and would have had some medical personnel on hand he confirmed that some years ago there was a warrant for koreshs arrest in connection with a murder charge and the local sheriff called him on the phone and explained about it koresh sais ok come pick me up and the sheriff did temporarily confiscating all the guns so that they could be tested koresh was later cleared release and presumably got his guns back at least at that time he was rational enough to be approached rationally and behaved in a reasonable manner the batf didnt take into account that unlike most of the ffls they audit koresh was actually paranoid and fostered paranoia in his followers thus the pubicity stunt looked like a real attack to them and they reacted accordingly with respect to the original warrant it had not been unsealed when kates was giving his talk so he could not comment on it except to mention that the batf has been known to not double check the veractiy of their informants if they can manage to get a judge to issue a warrant he had more to say about the way the warrant was served which may have been completely illegal apparently the proper way to serve a warrant is to knock on the door and announce that youre an officer with a warrant for thus and so if they dont open the door and the evidence is flushable then it is ok to break in the door but since it is hard to flush guns down the toilet there may have been no justification for the batf breaking in the way they did if the constitutional rights of the davidians were violated by an invalid warrant or by an improperly served warrant then the davidians may have been justified in their actons a close look at one of the original films shows that one batf agent may have shot himself by accident when entering the building if so this was the first shot fired the role of the media could have been a whole lot worse after an initial position on the side of the batf the media began to come around to the view that this might be a situation in which legally armed citizens held off a bad possibly illegal attack a real cynic might say that the fbi went in when they did because it was clear that public opinion was beginning to change sides and the fbi wanted to act before they lost the publics sympathy should the batf be abolished no police agencies should be numerous diverse inefficient decentralized etc better a few inept accidents like this than a move toward a single large well organized well trained powerful domestic police force which would eventually have even more tragic results lyn bates bates bbn com ps don kates will be giving a shorter version of this talk at boston college law school next tuesday april 27 i dont know the exact time or place but presumably a phone call to the bc law school could elicit that information larry cipriani l v cipriani att com windows re hot key for screen saver louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes well renaming screensavers scr to exe and running them as has been pposted i havent tried changing win ini but should have same effect shows me the setup dialog box butdoesnt enable the saver mickey try exe s s for save screen c for config defaults to c the question is not if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees or hears did it fall but rather how many koalas can that one tree take out tim cpsg com au tim fox cp software pty ltd acn 006 640 133 ph 61 3 823 0222 19 cato street east hawthorn fax 61 3 822 0089 victoria australia 3123 acsnet tim cpsg com au the question is not if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees or windows re visual c it is correct that vc is not considered an upgrade for c7 c7 is basically a dos product vc is a windows product as windows is not an upgrade for dos it is a separate operating system product line its utilities cannot be upgrades for dos utilities however i have also been told that it is not an upgrade for qcwin which it should be in article 735708181 aa00457 therose pdx com don hancock f303 n105 z1 fidonet org don hancock writes my understanding is that visual c is msc8 0 is it not what i mean is it is intended as a logical upgrade to msc7 which i own i am very interested in vc but i cant find anything about it tell me more hows the editor is it a true windows app msc7 which i love is not how are compile times exe sizes how smart is the linker how well does it do dos apps i would like to be one of the few programmers still pumping out stuff for the dos users out there even though i run win3 1 i like the multitasking and i couldnt afford desqview will it link 3rd party libs easily i use lots of 3rd party libs in my dos programs too lazy to do my own interfaces how is the debugger i make lots of mistakes thanx if it wasnt for c we would be using basi pasal and obol blue wave qwk v2 10 david a fuess dir center for eecs phone 510 423 2436 fax 510 422 9343 lawrence livermore national laboratory guns re whos next mormons and jews from article 1r0mhtinna59 cronkite central sun com by dbernard clesun central sun com dave bernard does that include the right to murder little children how about killing atf officers i do not know much about the gun laws in texas but koreshs folks claimed to have grenades grenade launchers and rocket launchers i am not sure that the nra feels that this falls under right to bear arms if the waco wackos truly had grenade launchers and rocket launchers why werent they used against the armored vehicles that attacked their house all the media stated was that small arms ie ineffective fire was used against them i noticed that too special agent asshole actually ricks stated that david koresh had explosives that could blow up an armored vehicle 40 feet into the air it looked like to me that the bds had plenty of opportunity to use these explosives provided that they had them in the first place for example when one of the tanks was injecting cs gas into the ranch house yes ranch house the bds werent living in a fortress they could have easily destroyed or disabled that tank because it was idling there for a considerable length of time so why didnt they do this could it be that they didnt have any explosives or similar munitions i just dont buy what the atf and fbi have been saying hopefully the truth will come out heres something noteworthy after the fire had been burning for some time an explosion occurred just one explosion the media said that this was some of the explosives that the bds posessed going off i dont think this was the case my brother and i noticed that this so called explosion resembled a plume of propane gas being ignited we figure that this is what it was because of how the explosion looked and sounded obviously it wasnt due to something like tnt dynamite or c4 i have seen a propane explosion before the explosion in the ranch house greatly resembled this also i noticed something that looked like a propane tank in the charred ruble the next day isnt it curious that the atf wasnt very forthcoming about how the four officers got killed many weeks had gone by before they stated that some of the officers had been killed and or wounded by grenades thrown by the bds earlier when someone asked one of the spokespersons about whether or not an autopsy had been performed on the slain agents they said that an autopsy had been done but they werent ready to release the findings now why is this does the atf have something to hide perhaps those four agents were killed by friendly fire what is the cause of death exactly no one has ever said what it is what is certain is this atf agents did throw grenades into the compound as a matter of fact mr koresh handed his lawyer a grenade body during one of the lawyers visits to the compound later on the lawyer gave the grenade body i dont know if it was a dud or a spent one btw to the atf how much do you want to bet that this grenade will mysteriously disappear at this point in time the only people we know who had grenades was the atf agents wouldnt it be a shocker if the no one ever found any evidence of grenades rockets or explosives in the rubble the atf would sure have egg on their face then note that the atf is doing the initial sweep of the rubble the fbi and the texas rangers wont investigate until the atf is done this looks like a perfect opportunity for the atf to make sure that others find what they want for them to find if you know what i mean im probably being a little paranoid here but if i am i have could reason to be recall that several weeks had gone by before anyone said that the bds had used grenades also recall that early on the atf had denied that their agents used grenades on the bds someone is lying here scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me windows re windows hangs on 486dx33 wlieftin cs vu nl liefting w writes hello all you windows freaks out there i bought windows 3 1 dutch version some time ago and run it on a 286 i recently upgraded my computer to a 486dx33 256k cache 4m memory 212m maxtor hd works real fine but not with windows when playing patience sol or minesweeper suddenly the system hangs i just cant move my mouse anymore or screen goes blank nothing further or screen goes blank computer seems to reboot but stops before reaching the end of the memory test once or maybe even twice i got a message about some illegal kernel call or something accompanied by a hex adress and a close button when pressing it the application wouldnt close though i havent experienced this problem with other programs than these but thats mainly because i havent really used other programs i suspect them to hang too anything known about this problem or better any patches available oh forgot to tell if in cmos ram i make the computer faster higher bus speed less wait states enable both caches etc the crash comes faster after 10 min or so if i deliberately slow the system down slow bus speed wait states disable internal external cache no shadowing the crash comes later but comes hope anyone can help wouter hi i got a problem too with a 486dx2 66 vlb 4 mb ram 170mb disk sometimes when i switch on the computer it starts windows 3 1 dutch windows switches to 1024x768 switches back to text mode and exits to dos after one or two resets the system works fine thanks patrick vu amsterdam baseball re jewish baseball players in article mssc5k47z fur netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes polish and jewish are not mutually exclusive i didnt mean to offend or anything im just quoting stanky himself on the subject i remember one time last year he was being interviewed by espn and the interviewer cant remember who asked stanky if he was jewish because he the interviewer was jewish and wanted to see more jewish ballplayers to which stanky replied im polish not jewish so maybe that wasnt the most pc thing for stanky to say and maybe i was a little naive when i posted it i think we should just devote this subject to finding actual jewish ballplayers i myself am jewish and the only ones i ever knew until now were koufax greenberg and blomberg alan windows re why im not using dos 6 anymore regarding the horror stories about dos6 doubledisk and stacker 2 killing hard drives i was wondering if the dos 6 mirror command works on the doubled drive info as well as the normal fat table and partition table if it records the vital doubledisk info then using it daily should go a long way toward protecting yourself against the type of catastrophic failure discussed if it doesnt then shame on microsoft medicine need to find information about current trends in diabetes i looked for diab in my newsrc and came up with nuthin anyone have any good sources for where i can read in particular im interested in finding out more about intravenous insulin injection for hepatic vein liver activation whew wotta mouthful anything that smells like a pointer would be helpful newsgroup mailinglist etc many thanks time flies like the wind fruit flies like bananas steven w orr steveo world std com uunet world steveo everybody repeat after me we are all individuals cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr14 130427 21349 porthos cc bellcore com dje bmw535 nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger writes in article 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind of lubricants wd 40 etc but i still failed do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak thank you very much in advance winson i would suggest you take the car to the nearest chevron dealer with your own oil and filter ask for an oil change it will cost less than 10 watch him her do it just from watching someone do a job you will be able to learn and remember the sequence and do it right when you do it yourself the next time besides when he she loosens the drain nut the next time around it will be easier for you if it is stuck use an impact wrench not too much force though use a new washer each time you put the nut back s ssave ole cdac com windows re win nt what is it in article 2bcf2664 3c6a deneva sdd trw com reimert etdesg trw com scott p reimert writes somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though since running any gui over a network is going to slow it down by a fair amount i expect windows nt will be multiuser only in the sense of sharing filesystems someone will likely write a telnetd for it so one could run character based apps but graphics based apps will have to be shared by running the executables on the local cpu this is how things are shaping up everywhere client server architectures are taking over from the old cpu terminal setups note that the next does this you can always telnet into a next and run character based apps but you cant run the gui yeah i know about x windows just havent been too impressed by it iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs baseball re why spanky in article 1ql93binn1s5 postoffice1 psc edu boone psc edu jon boone writes spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didnt want to lose prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely tom prince is a 28 year old no hit catcher think of him as a young dann bilardello i cant begin to fathom why the pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy whos been in aaa most of the last 5 seasons the pirates released kirk gibson last year because prince was out of options then eventually sent prince down anyway and he cleared waivers without a peep hes another year older and still cant hit why do they think he wouldnt clear waivers now why would they care sherri nichols snichols adobe com windows re program manager two questions in 1993apr22 204406 20330 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us gerry swetsky writes 2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1 you might try the recorder and make a micro i done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didnt have the ability to use a micro it should be in the accessories window the only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work but good luck warren e fridy iii 250 61st street north st petersburg fl 33710 internet wefiii axion palan palantir com 813 384 0584 uucp palan deep6 axion wefiii windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes brian grier bjgrier bnr ca wrote so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos o wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de 49 2241 14 2394 gmd gesellschaft fuer mathematik und datenverarbeitung mbh schloss birlinghoven p o box 1316 include w 5205 sankt augustin germany std disclaimer hpp medicine re patient physician diplomacy in article c4hyou 1iz mentor cc purdue edu hrubin pop stat purdue edu herman rubin writes in article 188 ky3b uucp km ky3b pgh pa us ken mitchum writes ditto disease is a great leveling experience however some people are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world does not buy one health everyone looks the same when they die if money does not buy one health why are we talking about paying for medical expenses for those not currently adequately covered herman i would think you of all people would could distinguish between health and treatment of disease all the prevention medicine people preach this all the time you cannot buy health you can buy treatment of disease assuming you are lucky enough to have a disease which can be treated a rich person with a terminal disease is a bit out of luck there is no such thing as adequately covered and there never will be and for what its worth ill be the first to admit that all my patients die km guns re cnn report fbi atf killing all americans in article 1993apr22 000020 23999 csli stanford edu cower csli stanford edu richard cower writes cnn just reported the atf and the fbi have begun killing everyone in the united states a press release stated this action was required because bugs had revealed that many people were doing something illegal in their homes and statistical data indicated that those who werent might someday do something illegal an atf spokesperson just before he shot himself stated that this would clean up things once and for all for those of you still unsure whether this is satire the jury is still out also yesterday even though the compound no longer exists the us attorneys office here released formerly sealed documents including a search warrant and related affidavits that authorities planned to use when the siege was over these documents did not include the original warrants the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms had in late february which to this day have never been released one of the documents indicated the agency planned to seek samples of koreshs handwriting not only to verify that he had signed for some gun purchases but also that he espoused certain doctrines hostile to law enforcement and particularly the atf so one of the charges against koresh seems to be contempt of cop he expressed hostility to the batf that chilly feeling in your gonads is perfectly normal folks it should go away in about 51 days the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz that should save them the trouble of subpoena ing samples heavens knows i want to cooperate fully meinherren cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars buick heater controls i have a 71 buick skylark with 148k on it i bought it in california and if itll let me id like to keep it for another year the only problem is these indiana winters my heater controls dont work the car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents right now it is stuck in the vent mode it will blow warm air but i cant switch the air flow to either the floor i can live without this or the defrost i cant live without this i probably could just jam the air deflector to the defrost position but this blows a lot of air in my face and is well kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse i have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and i think the problem or part of it is with the two diaphragms which control up down and outside inside air flow the diaphragm which controls outside vent in side no vent air is cracked most of the way around and the other one is probably damaged too considering the advanced age of the car two questions 1 is there anything i should be aware of about this other than the fact that i should move from indiana 2 in the event that replacement diaphragms arent available is there a way to fix this thanks for any advice info selah dan lovall physics purdue edu cars re sho and sc in article 1qehi6 ork armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes ok ill give you a few reasons 1 neither car was designed to turn at those speeds 2 neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds 3 safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds 4 an uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances where you might need to turn or stop with no notice do you by any chance own an sho or have access to one such that you would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles just wondering tom pickett tpickett auspex com or 74616 2237 compuserve com sho goze guns re guns gone good riddance jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing loosing well ill avoid the spelling flames and see if this person can make up for it there is no question about it oh theres lots of question about it people are becoming more aware each day that their rights are being threatened so much so that nra membership is growing at the rate of nearly 2 000 per day we are slowly gaining our rightful voice despite the biases prejudices and veiled motives of the liberal media and anti gun politicians we will win of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba what do you base this on some highly skewed poll conducted by nbc news the same group who faked gm pickup explosions just to make news right this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty it is true that we face even greater obstacles to our rights betrayed by those lying politicians who swear an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic but the people will take only so many lies and deceits you had better discover ways to make do without firearms the number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause there is nothing you can do about it those who live by the sword shall die by it then the criminals who live by murder shall die by it honest law abiding citizens need have no fear on that count you however will evidently die by or at least in ignorance and the number of firearms self defenses shall spell out our ultimate victory the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it the flow of history was against the founding fathers but they managed to successfully form the first real free republic on the face of this planet a republic that has become the model for all others to follow the press is against us for its own selfish motivations and the people will soon realize the depths of deceit being spread by that media and nullify its ill directed power the people are with us surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal i shall never submit to an illegal unconstitutional police state i will take my own vow to uphold the constitution and i shall defend it and my country against a tyrannical government gone mad should it become necessary too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is i will not be your sacrificial sheep and i shall not bow down to you or anyone else who seeks to control my life being an unarmed target is the surest way of encouraging criminals and believe me i shall avoid it as much as possible then i shall be as safe as possible i will answer with violence only when no other option exists but i shall surely answer mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin guns national crime survey well i dropped by the library yesterday and picked up back copies of the national crime survey 1986 1990 in an effort to examine what it said about self defense with a firearm i havent ground through much in the way of numbers yet but a couple of things jumped out at me first only 1986 and 1987 specify the type of weapon used in self defense 1988 1989 and 1990 refer only to weapon the second is that while assaults rose about 3 from 1986 to 1987 w gun defenses reported fell by almost 25 unless theres an explanation for this im tempted to mark it as a reporting problem and as such going ahead with any examination of the numbers would be a waste of time anybody have an idea what might have cause a real difference and not just a reporting difference the survey doesnt appear to have changed significantly between 1986 and 1987 david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu windows please help an amiga user find comfort in windows by night im an amiga user by day i work with windows id be much more comfortable in windows if i had two things 1 a good personal information manager you know a calendar address book reminder list etc rolled into one clean interface 2 a good file manager microsofts is very poor by my standards how about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations between them being able to launch programs from the same interface would be nice as well as text reading and graphics viewing those who are familiar with directory opus on the amiga know what im looking for if anyone can steer me towards an ftp sight with these programs it would make my transition to windows a lot easier please reply via email as i rarely get to read this group thanks so much why would he be such a jerk i know that he doesnt smoke steve lombardi drugs and he doesnt do cocaine and he doesnt shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and he doesnt even drink beer why would he be such a fu ker to me ween why would he be such a jerk i know that he doesnt smoke steve lombardi drugs and he doesnt do cocaine and he doesnt shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and he doesnt even drink beer why would he be baseball re bonilla in article mjones 735273896 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes all of these divisions based on race religion etc make me sick as they should isnt it nice that mlb is finally waking up to their existence isnt it a shame that hiring practices on and off the field have been discriminatory for so long quick name a light hitting black outfielder or 1b who lasted 10 years in the bigs i bet you can name two dozen white ones otis nixon darnell coles henry cotto manny mota a dominican b not all that light hitting 304 lifetime 315 or so in 1966 73 when he did most of his playing c professional pinch hitter after that yes that also gives you jerry hairston billy hatcher beginning 10th year now herm winningham good one lonnie smith not light hitting but a horror in the field not the same thing lots of people are bad ofs gary redus not all that light either 750 ops dion james not 10 year daryl boston 10 year this year vince coleman yeah hes finally started to have a decent obp not 10 year cecil espy not 10 year willie wilson yup gary pettis ok milt thompson 10 year this year gary varsho six year this year ok i admit to taking a quick browse through the major league handbook but only after the first 7 or 8 oh and theres the all time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look it up and curt flood cesar geronimo brock coleman and wilson were hot dog basestealers also lonnie smith that seems to be a special class cfs like pettis and wilson also get more of a break especially if they actually do field well and brock wasnt all that bad a hitter either not until the end there when he spoiled his ifetime 300 ba and again i suspect thatthe problem is lessening over time but if you look at the history of the last three decades there seems to be a clear race based pattern by which utility players and platoon players and lesser talents stayed in the ml far longer if they were white cesar cedeno light hitting 199 hr 793 lifetime ops mainly with houston also latin btw note these guys may not have reached 10 years yet but theyve got to be close likewise for my list oh and a prediction milt cuyler come back in 1999 and well party h h h h h talk roger medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr16 190447 8242 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1993apr16 155123 447 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses you mean the responses some of which pointed to double blind tests which show no such chinese restaurant effect unique to msg its elicited by the placebo as well many people responded with more anecdotal stories i think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories presumably he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about msg making people ill similarly debunking such claims without doing research whether literature and lab is equally beside the point the original poster no doubt already knows that some people think chinese restaurant syndrome is bogus placebos are all very interesting but irrelevant to the question of what effects msg has you could have real effects and placebo effects people may have allergies in addition yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition have you read olneys work i fail to see how citing results from peer reviewed studies qualifies as bizarrely cracked for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive no its undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid which is an excitatory neurotransmitter there is also evidence that excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain conditions like stroke drowning and lou gehrigs disease just to name a few this is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid in foods people are not receiving intra ventricular injections of glutamate tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off sez you such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go but theyre not relevant to the matter at hand which is not to say that i favor its use in things like baby food a patently ridiculous use of the additive but we have no reason to believe that msg in the diet effects humans adversely pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search but youre right mice arent the best to study this on theyre four times less sensitive than humans to msg glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food wrong do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink milligrams worth compare that to a glass of milk do you know how much glutamate is present in most protein containing foods compared to that added by the use of msg the point is exceeding the window of course theyre amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine olneys research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mothers milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mothers milk was well below the effective dose read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute impeccable there most certainly is a dispute between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article strobl 737652964 gmd de strobl gmd de wolfgang strobl writes in 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos please apples to apples nt is a beta and as such cannot be accepted as a competitor to win3 1 its not on the market same for os 2 2 1 for a couple or weeks o wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de 49 2241 14 2394 btw cute sig brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in c5hi0b 26c constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr13 220105 26409 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 93apr08 202003 27851 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes as a long time motorcyclist i have never understood what posessed auto builders to put delicate controls which must be used with skill and finesse like clutches and brakes on the floor why not hand control its much much easier in the early days neither of these functions had power assist so only legs had enough strength to activate them since then its been traditional and people would have a hard time getting used to anything else well where exactly would you put a hand clutch and brake on a motorcycle its easy the handlebars have a very limited range of turning steering wheels on the other hand turn around and around and around which is fine for electrical relays like your cruise control and airbag but how many of you want to lose your clutch and or brake due to a short circuit shades of the edsel they had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub that controlled the auto tranny it was very disconcerting to shift into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted there are workarounds but theres really no reason to use hand power on a cars clutch or brakes and lightening them to the point that they are finesse controls suitable for hand use would increse the mechanical complexity substantially look at power brakes and non power brakes for an example i saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering wheel thats about useless imho another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks doors and ignitions why on earth would you want this i know i dont i want a separate trunk key for security reasons it gives me a totally separate lockable container for door and ignition ehhh the same keys ok i guess james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball the 1964 phillies deja vu after reading my local paper today i found out that the phillies started the 1964 season at 10 2 i am not as old as 1964 but ive heard many talk about the serious choke job the phillies did that season they were ahead of the cardinals by 15 games that season in mid august they managed to lose a bunch from then on and the cardinals took the division 15 games ahead and lost it i hope this season is much different medicine re cure for dry skin in article 1993apr30 035235 26613 pbs org jlecher pbs org writes as a matter of fact i just saw a dermatologist the other day and while i seeing a dermatologist sounds like a very good idea if you are worried about your dry skin don mackie his opinions guns re guns in backcountry no thanks hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners the two are not the same as i pointed out above there are significant difference between making rules for use on public property and making rules for ownership the other half of the objection is trust similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country and have been abused in far too many cases safety classes which are never sheduled never funded or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants registration lists in new york chicago and california have been used for confiscation many gun owners would in theory support these planes although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem that intentional misuse is theyve simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a reasonable suggestion theyve already seen abused gun safety classes sound good in theory but they kind of remind me of the literacy tests used in the bad old days to keep blacks from voting they came with the grandfather clause if your grandfather could vote you could vote sort of like the gun safety laws that only let the political ass kissers have guns doug holland medicine re alt psychoactives fyi i just posted this on alt psychoactives as a response to what the group is for a note to the users of alt psychoactives this group was originally a takeoff from sci med the reason for the formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive drugs such as antidepressents tri cyclics prozac lithium etc antipsychotics melleral sp etc ocd drugs anafranil etc and so on and so forth it didnt take long for this group to degenerate into a psudo alt drugs atmosphere thats to bad for most of the serious folks that wanted to start this group in the first place have left and gone back to sci med where you have to cypher through hundreds of unrelated articles to find psychoactive data it was also to discuss real life experiences and side effects of the above mentioned oh well i had unsubscribed to this group for some time and i decided to check it today to see if anything had changed nope same old nine or ten crap articles that this group was never intended for i think it is very hard to have a meaningfull group without it being moderated too bad oh well obviously no one really cares bill claussen would anyone be interested in starting a similar moderated group bill claussen windows roman bmp 11 14 part 11 of 14 mr1865 22dm75u 75u4 0iv g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v mg9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v mg9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v mg9v 0m75u 625 b8e 3 g9s2 wm4qd f0 7exjwz5f 8 ax 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not to start with no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible so theres a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this on the other hand with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false there is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying you people call this science my opinion for what its worth is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation i dont believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science my second point though is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards i think this is true of many scientists and i think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific within mathematics i think there are several examples especially before the twentieth century one conspicuous case is that of riemann who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove later mathematicians did prove them of course i think that for a good scientist empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and whats not as it is a matter of convincing other people people have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here but i think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of ones results is an essential element not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process but i think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science when a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it i think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation in article c53by5 hd news hawaii edu i wrote namely is there really justification for the belief that science is a superior path to truth than non scientific approaches admittedly my question was not at all well posed a considerable amount of effort in a serious scholarly investigation such as i suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer the science i was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century i certainly wasnt thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of reason and observation one thing i had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies since russell turpin seems to be much more familiar than i am with the study of scientific methodology perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet windows re re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article twalls 02vo ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls writes from twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls subject re re re challenge to microsoft supporters date mon 10 may 1993 19 23 26 0000 in article 9may93 20570058 vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes but i dont want to have to run blasted windows every time i want to delete a tree it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete some files it would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car you dont and never had to thats what enhanced shells are for remember 4dos and ndos i mean come on you cant expect dos to cover everything from r1 0 microsoft has other projects to work on they want you to move to windows 3 1 then later to win32 and eventually to cairo this way they give you a reason to by deliberately crippling the product surely no oh hold on i guess youre right that certainly stinks of microsoft marketing techniques i dont think they deliberately crippled the project on the other hand it is a technical achievement for what it does considering that it rides on top of dos i mean you get a gui with reasonable speed on a pc with xwindows running on top of linux or something similar youre still gonna need a fast processor re doss death well amen to that but i wish it were a damn sight deader for a dead product its used an awful lot and i suspect its going to carry on twitching for a long while yet which isnt doing anyone any good except for the people who use dos programs which means about 75 or more of the business world mike windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 i edited a few newsgroup from that line dont like to crosspost that much i cant compare the two but i recently got an hp deskjet 500 im very pleased with the output remember that im used to imagens laser and postscript printers at school looks very good you have to be careful to let it dry before touching it as it will smudge the deskjet is slow this is in comparison to the other printers i mentioned i have no idea how the bubblejet compares the interface between win3 1 and the printer is just dandy ive not had any problems with it hope that helps some cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet cltittle uci bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail po box 4188 irvine ca 92716 guns re die koresh die the explanations of federal law enforcement officials about what happened in waco is just another example of the survivors writing the history books to put themselves in the best of a bad light dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds baseball re lets talk phillies in article 1993apr16 060540 27397 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 1993apr15 232551 14817 leland stanford edu eechen leland stanford edu emery ethan chen writes one phrase for you you thanks perhaps its time to start rec sport baseball graffiti where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace sherri nichols snichols adobe com well sherri id agree with you except that most kiddies have more sense than to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults i try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers but im telling you its gotten to the point that i dont even edit the files anymore just read them and throw out the trash and thanks to all you people that think its wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files thats really nice i have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the sig dont get me wrong i know all the words you do and ive even made up some of my own or i wouldnt be able to edit them out but this just doesnt seem to be the place a public forum to spew foul language sorry thanks to all you people that keep in mind there might be some decent young people interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup they enjoy your articles phil cars re 6700 for hail damage a record in article 1993apr21 053516 28846 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1993apr20 203219 7724 pencom com stecz pencom com writes in article 1993apr19 235711 7285 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes my 90 integra was hit hard in the 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third base in c5jjrj em3 cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order and some comments with some players deleted third basemen name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88 92 mitchell kevin 690 0 690 yep that kevin mitchell i never would have expected him in the 1 spot gonzales rene 685 0 685 its no accident that the first two names are 1988 only as with first and second base 1988 was the year of the glove average da was 20 points higher in both leagues than any other year leius scott 653 680 0 672 looks good too bad hes moving to short pendleton terry 692 685 631 689 634 0 667 highest five year regular though hes only had one year as good as kevin mitchell ventura robin 641 647 677 0 657 wallach tim 728 674 600 630 665 0 657 gruber kelly 717 657 580 630 664 0 650 the other elite fielders in the league pagliarulo mike 631 575 744 0 649 this is an interesting line his 1988 figure was slightly below average his 1990 was pathetic and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody part of that may be his mobility 1988 was with the yankees 1990 was with the padres who appear to have a rotten infield 1991 was with the twins and judging by leius and gaetti the metrodome may be a good place to play third williams matt 633 653 656 0 647 add another to the elite fielders list caminiti ken 675 630 653 596 0 642 sabo chris 751 626 616 613 575 0 642 too fielders whose career average may overstate their value i dont know what happened to caminiti judging by the three previous years his low 1992 may be a fluke sabo is merely average however his incredible 1988 best year ever brings his average up a lot buechele steve 647 616 647 681 599 0 635 strange last two years schmidt mike 628 0 628 according to reputation one of the best fielders ever at third base but at the end he was below average average in 1988 was 643 boggs wade 643 659 550 653 634 0 626 boggs has been pretty good i dont know what happened in 1990 but every other year he has been above average usually by quite a bit martinez egdar 621 645 599 0 624 last year a fluke or a portent nl average 643 625 602 623 603 0 619 seitzer kevin 654 583 593 635 0 616 al average 641 612 604 620 602 0 615 why is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close to one another but very different from year to year any ideas jacoby brook 624 621 600 597 0 613 brook is declining hansen dave 611 0 611 magadan dave 609 0 609 jefferies greg 606 0 606 three first time regulars above average in 1992 im not sure why jefferies gets all the grief about his fielding hes never had a good year but while at second he improved to become an average fielder and is an average fielder at third zeile todd 614 593 0 605 zeile on the other hand is a below average fielder each year hes about 10 points below average and its probably not just the park since terry pendleton had excellent das in the three years before this baerga carlos 604 0 604 moving back to second was a good idea hayes chris 601 622 606 574 0 602 so why is hayes supposed to be good defensively hes had a grand total of one year above the league da and was pretty bad last year johnson howard 628 549 611 573 0 588 lansford carney 620 578 594 550 0 587 howard johnson and carney lansford separated at birth to his credit hojo did have one above average year 1990 lansford couldnt even break the 600 mark without the help of the year of the glove hollins dave 577 0 577 good hitter but his fielding needs work sheffield gary 584 567 0 575 not a good fielder blauser jeff 573 0 573 fryman travis 571 0 571 both are better off at shortstop gomez lee 551 542 0 546 two consecutive horrible years for leo camden yards doesnt seem to have helped his fielding any palmer dean 520 0 520 texas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career da but the lowest da at third ever congratulations dean dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re warning please read in article 19apr199316162857 erich triumf ca music erich triumf ca fred w bach writes in article c5r1iy 8v0 ssd intel com jrowell ssd intel com janet rowell writes could we plase cease this discussion i fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end these areas are not meant for this type of discussion if you feel the need to do such things please take your thought elsewhere thanks exactly my point there is a lot of hostility to and from teenagers if you follow the news for the northwest usa you will have heard that a group of 20 year old boys barely out of the teens certainly their outlook was developed during their teens just shot and killed an innocent little girl riding in a car in the seattle area when her mother who was driving honked her horn at the car with the boys in it this is really upsetting and makes my stomach turn as it would any parents doesnt your heart just go out to that poor mother teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and crime maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are at the same it seems sad that people lose all perspective when they here about a case of violence by teenagers for a little perspective how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless did you read about all the kids at stanford who spent their spring breaks helping out in inner city areas what about the hundreds of volunteers teenagers and others who worked to clean up the mess after the rodney king riots in la have you gone to your local high school play recently attended the school orchestra performances have you seen how many kids volunteer to pick up trash plant trees do walk a thons how many kids have tried to sell you stuff to benefit organizations they belong to how many girl scout cookies have you bought how many chocolate bars for good causes the media picks up on all the anomalies the sensational what about the wonderful teenagers all over the place who work hard at school get good grades go to college or to work and make a real contribution to our society all humans are teenagers at some time in their lives mother theresa was a teenager and so was geoffrey dahmer it is really sad to see so many people who buy the sensational reporting of the media as some kind of reflection of the world today it is a reflection of what is happening on the outer fringes of our society and nothing more rf medicine data of skull gt from gary concave cs wits ac za gary taylor gt hi we are trying to develop a image reconstruction simulation for the skull you could do high resolution ct computed tomographic scanning of the skull many ct scanners have an algorithm to do 3 d reconstructions in any plane you want if you did reconstructions every 2 degrees or so in all planes you could use the resultant images to create user controlled animation slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein guns re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda in article 1qibs0 flk vela acs oakland edu awesley vela acs oakland edu awesley writes in article 1993apr14 225910 14964 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes i since there was no sniper fire doing nothing was equally effective as was yelling stop that of course if one wants to credit the tanks with stopping non existent sniper fire we might was well credit it with stopping an invasion by martians see firearms violence and civil disorders from sri and sniping incidents a new pattern of violence from brandeis universitys lemberg center for the study of violence there was precisely one verified sniper in the 67 riots a drunk firing a pistol out a window actually there was only one confirmed sniper to die in detroit according to sauter hines nightmare in detroit a rebellion its what sources did sauter and hines use in congressional hearings later the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely wrong some of their excuses are understandable while others amount to gross negligence then theres their we lied as far as i know they never did the followup so people other than snipers can shoot firemen if they are shooting at snipers cant help blowing big holes in buildings that dont contain sniper nests or worrying about travelling sniper squads is a complete waste of time interesting just curious they do you believe that tanks did blow big holes in buildings in detroit 67 i dont have any relevant knowledge about the counter sniper tactics or what the govt did with the big war toys thats why ive only commented on what they couldnt have accomplished no matter what they did nope the sniper fire was coming from other police guard positions the guard certainly needed to learn but i dont agree with the idea that there were no snipers at all from p 121 of sauter hines despite the force of the national guard in alliance with the army troops the snipers did not stop the snipers boldly lay siege to the fifth precent police station and took pot shots at the seventh firemen were under constant harassment from snipers fired from half closed darkened windows in high apartment buildings and from roof tops not in detroit not during the 60s thats newspaper copy and they admitted later that they were wrong andy medicine wanted rat cell line adrenal gland cortical c i am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland cortical cell type i have been looking at atcc without success and would very much appreciate any help thank you for reading this christophe roos institute of biotechnology fax 358 0 4346028 pobox 45 valimotie 7 e mail christophe roos helsinki fi university of helsinki x 400 g christophe s roos sf 00014 finland o helsinki a fumail c fi religion re rosicrucian order s in article 1qsqar n8m usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes in a previous article ba mrcnext cso uiuc edu b a davis howe says on the subject of how many competing rc orders there are let me point out the golden dawn is only the outer order of that tradition the inner order is the roseae rubeae et aurae crucis just wondering do you mean the lectorium rosicrucianum warning there is no point in arguing whos legit and whos not which golden dawn are you talking about which golden dawn how about the original from 100 years ago just for the sake of argument reflecting no affiliation i am going to say that the true rosicrucian order is the fraternitas rosae crucis in quakertown penn any takers no no rosicrucian would ever admit or deny being such wassail grendel grettisson windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote size is another factor the bj 200 is much smaller but the hp is built like a tank i bet the bj 200 would get damaged first you bet your bippy its built like a tank and not just mechanically either this past weekend we had a nasty thunderstorm and the impossible happened i got a direct lightning strike on my house and to the second floor outlet box into which my faithful deskjet 500c was connected there was a 303 bullet sized hole in the aluminum siding with some solidified aluminum slag dripping from it you could actually see the electrical box through the hole the outlet itself was fried and im still amazed the whole damn house didnt burn down i lost 2 electric garage door openers 2 vcrs 2 telephones all of which were on the opposite side of the house a zyxel u 1496e high speed modem a vga monitor a 1024x768 color monitor the rs232 and parallel ports on my x terminal and a wd lan card in my pc not a good night but the deskjet ran as soon as i found a functioning serial and parallel port to connect to it ted slightly singed rypma hp panacom division waterloo ontario windows 1028x1024 video board hi there i plan on upgrading my monitor and video card to 1280x1024 i have a dx2 66 isa no local bus system i would appreciate if anyone can drop me an email of your experience with high resolution video board monitor thanks ming t lin mlin ichips intel com 503 696 4806 baseball re young catchers in article mssc50dfw 71u netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes at age 23 alomar had a brilliant rookie year true he was limited by injuries in his sophomore season but his numbers both that yaer and the year following were quite mediocre this season the same bill james projects a ba of 265 ops of 675 the same bill james why do you say that it sounds like youre suggesting bill james had something to do with overhyping the kid to death au contraire he was fairly critical of him after his roy campaign noting that he wasnt all world as a catcher or a hitter he called him basically average when everyone else in the media was predicting the next johnny bench or roy campanella both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers expected to be among the best ever in baseball the reports i read indicate that lopez is very ordinary defensively which reports are those the dodgers options are parrish and hernandez and now only carlos piazza is 24 as long as he continues with his very hot bat they will keep him in the lineup because they need the offensive production when he cools off look for the much better defensive catcher hernandez only 25 to play more i like hernandez a lot but if piazza can catch the ball youve gotta play him imho hes a much better hitter although hernandez isnt a bad hitter right now it sounds like piazza will catch most of the time and hernandez will be candiottis caddy since he can catch the knuckler as long as they play up to their abilities the dodgers could have a very good catching tandem the braves options are berryhill and olson i agree that olson is nothing special but i do think berryhill is better than many people on rsb believe but both the braves catchers are very good defensively calling a game blocking the plate throwing and although they are somewhat weak offenivsively they play on a team that is not so much in need of another big bat i think both are overrated defensively see nichols law of catcher defense but thats something thats difficult to prove or disprove from your viewpoint or mine about the only tangible thing we can look at is opponents sb and thats clouded by how well your pitchers hold runners catchers era is a possibility but its subject to way too many biases as for them playing on a team that is not so much in need of another big bat i disagree here too about the only chink in the braves armor is that theyre weak offensively at several positions cf c 2b ss if belliard plays 1b unless bream and hunter form another super platoon and very weak defensively if blauser plays id like to see the braves give at least one of mel nieves javy lopez or chipper jones a shot but much like the talent rich jays of recent years theyll be conservative and stick with what they have im not saying thats wrong just conservative dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence medicine lupus i have a friend who has just been diagnosed with lupus and i know nothing about this disease the only thing i do know is that this is some sort of skin disease and my friend shows no skin rashes in fact they used a blood test to determine what had been wrong with an on going sacro illiac joint problem i am finding a hard time finding information on this disease could anyone please enlighten me as to the particulars of this disease please feel free to e mail me at bytor cruzio santa cruz ca us thanks in advance baseball re phillies sign mark davis does that mean they have to pay his salary didnt they wait for him to clear waivers if not why not davis will be paid by three clubs this year i think the phils are responsbible for about 600 000 or so they didnt wait for him to clear waivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him a gamble yes oh it will as a royals fan i am skeptical they say he pitched well in winter ball he also pitched well at omaha while with kc he just didnt pitch well or even acceptably when in the majors i dont have his atlanta stats but he must not have impressed them very much either what about the year when he got 40 saves in san diego did he pitch well then ok i know he was awful the next year when he went to kc but still won the cy young too for that year medicine foreskin troubles what can be done short of circumcision for an adult male whose foreskin will not retract windows re windows nt faq in article c5dhtf d7p news rich bnr ca gal bnr ca gene lavergne writes i really gives me pause to ask this when i first heard of windows nt i was surprised by the name because it immediately occurred to me that it sounds like a northern telecom product did anyone else notice that by the way bnr see address below is an r d subsidiary of nt see what i mean gal bnr ca gene a lavergne in all of opera i most identify esn 444 4842 214 684 4842 with the character of elektra po box 851986 richardson tx that often worries me usa 75085 1986 opinions expressed here are mine and not bnrs windows nt or wnt can also be derived by the next letter in the alphabet of vms same as hal and ibm you might recall that the chief architect of vms is also chief designer of wnt rajiev gupta rajiev gupta eurocontrol cfmu disclaimer rajiev cfmu eurocontrol be rue de la loi 72 these are my views tel 32 2 729 33 12 b 1040 bruxelles not my companies fax 32 2 729 32 16 belgium cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx s in a previous article smith ctron com lawrence c smith says in article c5v6md kyp usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes v16 must be one somewhere believe bugattis coming has out one something like 4 turbos and mucho macho hp one cool price too as i heard at any rate the point is im pretty sure there is indeed one in production tho rather limited this is no bugatti its labeled a bugatti but has nothing to do with the bugattis of yore from what i understand just some ppl wanting to build a silly supercar and use that name to sell it drew may be thinking of the cizeta morodor v16t but that hasnt reached production at least not yet as for the bugatti well i have to agree with matt it aint the top dog it aint sexy and svelt looking and it aint a real bugatti in fact it looks like its in tight competition with the consulier for the most butt ugly car of the decade award it isnt that bad at least the bugatti eb110 has compound curves compared to the slab sides on the consulier and the bugatti has a quad turbo v 12 thing of it as 4 three cylinder turbo engines tied together also ettore bugattis nephew is on the board of directors and had a hand in the development so thats about as much bugatti as you are likely to get in todays world much like enzo ferraris illegitamate son being allowed to take over part of ferrari as well i dont know of any cars with v4 but there are a number of motorcycles with them but i couldnt tell you which ones all motorcycles look alike to me d thats funny i have motorcylclist friends who say the same about cages most gp 500cc motorcycles are v 4s and the vf line of hondas were all v 4s from the vf 400f through the vf 1000f including the rc30 race bike and the present vfr 750f it should be noted that lancia built a v 4 in recent history in the fulvia hf a very pretty italian coupe al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes dont you know that girls cant play guitar mary chapin carpenter baseball cub fever kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes cub fever is hitting me again im beginning to think they have a chance this year what the heck am i thinking sorry just a moment of incompetence ill be ok really orin bradley u you sure this maybe a chronic syndrome if it persists we may have to banish you to the cub crazy sanatarium in north chicago rob cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 195710 24227 cs tulane edu finnegan navo navy mil writes in article 1993apr6 180456 17573 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1993apr06 133319 7008 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr 10 car salesmen love their new car buying service 2 and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number 1 1 the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it hey im a macho real man and i do read it so i can criticize it all i want especially since i pay for the publication they accept no outside advertising dont you know john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder relying on consumer reports to pick your automobiles is like letting field stream select your living room furniture kenneth finnegan navo navy mil no one should ever rely on just a magazine to determine what car they buy i dont care what magazine btw i subscribe to three other auto rags i just think cu is getting a bum rap by these macho men from hell who think real men should read statements like what you said above have no meaning people keep on saying cu is only good for dishwashing detergent or as you said relying on consumer reports is like and that is all they say if there were as critical of themsevles as they are of cu maybe there would be some real content john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder baseball sid fernandez i read this morning that sid fernandez left last nights game with stiffness in his shoulder does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury if indeed there is one or weather the cold air in colorado just got his joints a little stiff thanks for the help ray miller disclaimer cub chopin jpl nasa gov all opinions are strictly my own i once spent a year in philadelphia i think it was on a sunday wcfields cars horizontally opposed boxer engines was v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr24 125621 7311 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes there are two crank configurations for the flat 4 the most common one is probably the crank that is very similar to the i4 crank which flat 4 engines have i4 style cranks comparing those two engines the i4 and the flat 4 have no first order shaking forces or rocking moments the i4 has a second order shaking force while the flat 4 has a second order rocking moment the significant thing about the flat 4s second order moment is that it can be easily balanced out by adding mass at the ends of the crank the i4 however requires a counter rotating shaft with mass to balance out the second order forces i am 99 99 sure that subaru and porsche use the boxer configuration and not the inline 4 crank that you analyzed and compared would you care to re evaluate the other case of a flat four i think that this configuration is perfectly balanced as far as primary secondary forces and couples are concerned i have an article in front of me that says so bottom line the biggest difference between the engines would probably be their intended use the flat 4 is easier to fit under low hoods and in rear compartments for mid or rear mounting the i4 can be mounted transversely to reduce hood length read cab forward other than that there isnt much fanfare to the differences between them no matter what subaru ads say technology shared with porsche indeed the flat four is also shorter than an inline 4 so even if it is mounted longitudinally it will not take up lots of length and a longitudinal placement is easier for a 4 wheel drive drivetrain i think that subarus ads hold water in practice their flat fours are noticeably smoother than inline 4s and completely buzz free though some may not like its peculiar note but as alfa has shown a boxer four can produce a spine tingling scream that only the likes of recent hondas can approach eliot cars re mr2 noisy engine in a previous article eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot says in article 1r1vofinn871 usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com thunderbirds are go writes are there any mr2 owners or motor head gurus out there that know why my mr2s engine sounds noisy the mr2s engine is noisy at the best of times but not even a nice nose its one of those very ugly noises assuming yours is a non turbo mr2 the gruffness is characteristic of a large inline 4 that doesnt have balance shafts i guess toyota didnt care about little details like that when they can brag about the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling myself i automatically cross out any car from consideration or recommendation which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no balance shafts it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you ever want a halfway decent engine if the noise really bugs you there is nothing else that you can do except to sell it and get a v6 eliot nice theory too bad the mr2s never came with a four cylinder over 2 0 liters more like 1 6 or did they were the nonturbo mr2iis 2 2 or some such i also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders must pay saab a royalty for using their patented design like porsches 3 0 i4 c ya drew cars re anti theft devices in article 99948 rphroy ph gmr com rhaar gmr com bob haar writes in article 3056 kocrsv01 delcoelect com jdmooney kocrsv01 delcoelect com john d mooney writes someone writes btw somebody stole the front grille off my beat up 1983 nissan sentra a few weeks ago i couldnt believe it im just driving around without it now years ago my brother lived in a rough area he left his nova parked on the street in front of his house for a few days one day he went to move it back into the driveway it wouldnt start seems some industrious fool needed a nova gas tank the fool found one under my brothers car the engines in vw beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car or even opening the engine compartment how would you like to find that your car wouldnt start because the engine was stolen i would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer a gas tank is about 50 in a junkyard an engine more seriously though my other brother darrell left his vw on the same street someone stole the radiator out of it try finding a vw radiator in a junkyard i dare you jd john d mooney delco electronics general motors jdmooney kocrsv01 delcoelect com opinions expressed are mine not necessarily des or gms medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 10600 blue cis pitt edu doyle pitt edu howard r doyle writes chronic persistent hepatitis is usually diagnosed when someone does a liver biopsy on a patient that has persistently elevated serum transaminases months after a bout of acute viral hepatitis or when someone is found to have persistently elevated transaminases on routine screening tests the degree of elevation in the serum transaminases can be trivial or as much as ten times normal other blood chemistries are usually normal as a rule patients with cph have no clinical signs of liver disease chronic active hepatitis can also be asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic at least initially and thats why its important to tell them apart by means of a biopsy the patient with cph only needs to be reassured the patient with cah needs to be treated i just went back to the chapter in cecil on chronic hepatitis it seems that indeed most cases of cph are persistant viral hepatitis whereas there are a multitude of potential and probable causes for cah viral drugs alcohol autoimmune etc physicians seem to have a variety of thresholds for electing to biopsy someones liver personally i think that if the patient is asymptomatic with only slight transaminitis and normal albumin and pt one can simply follow them closely and not add the potential risks of a biopsy others may well biopsy such a patient thus providing these samples for study it would be interesting to see if anyones done any decision analysis on this kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer baseball mike greenwell and mo vaughn stat help dear anybody i am in rochester ny where people can look at a rangers penguins playoff game and say no joke i heard it hey whats this oh its not even the ahl its just the nhl i think because of this e get red wings orioles aaa stats and updates but no al or nl stats specifically im looking for red sox stats so far id like all of them but could handle just greenwell and vaughn can anybody please help me wizard ec003b uhura cc rochester edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article mvpc5rp8n 3ts netcom com mvp netcom com mike van pelt writes in article 16bb5124a0 pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal writes be cute if koresh hit the trail maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven wouldnt that just make ag renos day snort i sorta doubt it however no bodies by the time this message gets out theyll doubtless have found bunches but wouldnt it be interesting if they had a tunnel and are long gone if they hadnt killed the atf people in the original raid i think i would laugh my ass off actually to be honest i still might ryan baseball sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5jm0m 6jw cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first hed lose a lot of rbis and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs doesnt happen that often very unlikely with devon whites 300 obp in front of you im pretty sure that sandberg has done this at least once i know someone will correct me if im wrong rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away john bratt gord niguma fav player john olerud religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article 20apr199306173611 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen wrote tional as that is for so many one direct benefit is being able to keep things in perspective ks such as who hurts more the ones who died or the loved ones who are left besides the lessons its also time for many to grieve including those whove lost their faith in others or in god im learning to be patient and let things heal god willing christians through ages have had to learn to be patient i do think its time to face the reality the events during the last 52 two days showed what the world is really like kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children is this guy serious if he would ever really pay attention to the news oops i forgot that the media for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts are known as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe besides a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit sp oh then i guess that shooting those kind of babies is all right you sick bastard cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re v4 engines in article 1993apr26 234514 8418 kronos arc nasa gov chucko freud arc nasa gov chuck fry writes in article 1993apr23 183318 4635 ll mit edu singer ll mit edu matthew r singer writes didnt the saab sonnett have a v4 i recall someone telling that it was something like 1 2 of a ford 289 not only the sonett correct spelling but the 95 wagon and 96 sedan used a 1500 cc or 1700 cc v 4 from ford of germany this particular motor had a 60 degree vee angle a balance shaft and siamesed exhaust ports this motor was later stretched into the v 6 commonly seen in the capri i think it was the reverse the v4 being 2 3 of the v6 the v 4 could make pretty reasonable power for its size but in the saab it made too much torque for the transmission which had been designed for a 3 cylinder 2 stroke it was also the worst engine that ford europe have ever made bloody awful reputation its most successful application being the transit van saab gave up with this motor and then made the triumph 1854 half a stag v8 under license i believe but with 2 litre capacity and perhaps a different arrangement for the cylinder head studs before developing their own straight four from the triumph kevinh hasler ascom ch windows re capturing screen shots in article 23712 acorn co uk i wrote i am trying to capture some 256 colour screenshots from windows currently i have tried pressing print screen to copy the screen to the clipboard then paste the clipboard into the windows paint package many thanks for the replies i received to this a couple of people suggested how i could get the paint package to work properly but in the end i took the advice of someone else to try paintshop pro from cica indiana edu thanks again philip practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty windows re trident vga drivers in article c5y66r fgp cs mcgill ca bjcon cs mcgill ca brendan newman says hi i have a trident tvga 8900 video card and need the updated drivers for win3 1 where can i get them from an ftp site i have the same card tvga 8900c when i checked the latest driver for windows 3 1 is dated aug 92 in garbo uwasa fi in win31 drivers video if you find a better version updated please let me know thanks azmi axh113 psuvm psu edu medicine sweets syndrome my brothers affine has recently been diagnosed with sweets syndrome also called steroid resistant sweets syndrome this syndrome started after she had had iodine 131 treatment for hyperthyroidism shed been reluctant to have treatment for the hyperthyroidism for many years and apparently started to show exaustion from it i understand that she may still be testing high in thyroid level but shes isnt being treated by an endocrinologist her previous endocrinologist bowed out when she entered the hospital she entered the hospital because of the sweets syndrome symptoms skin lesions ive looked through the last two years of medline and didnt find an abstract mentioning a correlation between thyroid and sweets i checked a handbook which said that sweets was associated with leukemia id like a reccomndation for experts who are in new york city or who travel to new york city for the sweets and perhaps for the endocrinology any information that might help apparently there hasnt been much improvement in her condition over the past several months jackie baseball re and americas team is but why in article c5p3yr gh2 news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples uh i dont think you can call a team with tom seaver jerry koosman and nolan ryan on the pitching staff a team that has no talent they did come out of nowhere but some of the improvement was forseeable greg religion re new biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas i produced an error last week about chorion by the way mr decenso you really should have looked in the index of your bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon you would have found that the word in acts for lot is kleros not chorion as stated by mr archer and nowhere in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to theological dictionary of the new testament by bromley is the meaning burial plot discussed it discusses the forms of kleros eg kleros kleroo etc and the various meanings of kleros eg plot of land and inheritance but mentions nothing about chorion or burial plot why does this not surprise me thus it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped archer as a reference i was wrong i admit that i do not have a handle on greek grammar and thus confused kleros the second to last word in acts 1 17 as being the plot of land discussed in actuality it is chorion which is the last word acts 1 18 unfortunately my greek dictionary does not discuss chorion so i cannot report as to the nuances of the word i abhor publishing trash i abhor it of myself even more than i do from others but since i do not present myself as an authority on the subject i do not feel dishonest though i do openly admit ignorance and incompetence in this example thus i felt honor bound to do a better set of research specifically on the word first it should be noted that greek grammar is not as tough as i first assumed it is not nontrivial by any means and i still am not competent with it but it is not as opaque as i had thought it turns out that while the index for the bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon renders each verse in order each word within a verse is put in greek alphabetical order thus while the the meaning of the verse is decipherable the syntax is far from clear on the other hand a greek english intralinear bible makes things a lot more comprehendable and yes the word for field in acts 1 18 is indeed chorion now ive checked several greek english lexicons greek english lexicon of the new testament louw and nida robinsons greek and english lexicon of the new testament greek english lexicon of the new testament grimm word study concordance tynsdale a greek english lexicon of the new testament and other early christian writings bauer arndt gingrich the new analytical greek lexicon perschbacher in each case the meaning of the word chorion was given variously as a space place region district field area country place land farm estate a bit of tillage and similar meanings nowhere do any of these books mention anything about grave as some of these books go into great detail i would be very surprised to find that these books are all inadequate and mr archer is the only competent scholar in greek i think it more likely that mr archers investigations into contradictions to be once again as your friend said it lacking in substance and thus archer is again shown worthless as an expert witness by the way mr decenso i would have honorably presented my results on this matter even if i had found them to support mr archers contentions by the way among these lexicons eg robinsons is the definition of agros the word used in matthew 27 to describe the field bought the word agros is defined as a field in the country chorion is specifically noted as a synonym to agros this is significant as it is evidence of how silly bullingers exegisis was which stated that the word for field in matthew ie agros is different from the word for field in acts ie chorion and thus we must be talking about two different fields of course you already admit how stupid bullingers exegisis is but this was a small serendipity which drives the point home so as of now unless mr decenso show compelling reasons to believe otherwise eg a reputable scholar with reputable references i consider this particular issue closed see mr decenso now you can go on to answer questions about the denials of peter the day of the crucifixion tyre and the fact that the author 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who wants to quit offers a variety of approaches to cessation 24 pages diet nutrition cancer prevention the good news this booklet provides an overview of dietary guidelines that may assist individuals in reducing their risks for some cancers it identifies certain foods to choose more often and others to choose less often in the context of a total health promoting diet 16 pages why do you smoke this pamphlet contains a self test to determine why people smoke and suggests alternatives and substitutes that can help them stop early detection breast exams what you should know this pamphlet provides answers to questions about breast cancer screening methods including mammography the medical checkup breast self examination and future technologies includes instructions for breast self examination 10 pages cancer tests you should know about a guide for people 65 and over this pamphlet describes the cancer tests important for people age 65 and older it informs men and women of the exams they 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should be done significance of results and other diagnostic tests and treatments 16 pages lo que usted debe saber sobre los examenes de los senos this booklet in spanish explains the importance of the three actions recommended by the nci to detect breast cancer as early as possible requesting regular mammography getting an annual breast exam from the doctor and performing a monthly breast self exam 6 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 36 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 preguntas y respuestas sobre la seleccion de un centro de mamografia this brochure lists questions and answers to ask in selecting a quality mammography facility patient education anticancer drug information sheets in spanish english two sided fact sheets in english and spanish provide information about side effects of common drugs used to treat cancer their proper usage and precautions for patients the fact sheets were prepared by the united states pharmacopeial convention inc for distribution by the national cancer institute single sets only may be ordered datos sobre el tratamiento de quimioterapia contra el cancer this flyer in spanish provides a brief introduction to cancer chemotherapy 12 pages el tratamiento de radioterapia guia para el paciente durante el tratamiento this booklet in spanish addresses the concerns of patients receiving radiation therapy for cancer emphasis is on explanation and self help 48 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 37 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 aids news summaries aids daily summary for april 19 to april 23 1993 the centers for disease control and prevention cdc national aids clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service only providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the cdc the cdc clearinghouse or any other organization reproduction of this text is encouraged however copies may not be sold copyright 1993 information inc bethesda md april 19 1993 absence of hiv transmission from an infected orthopedic surgeon journal of the american medical association 04 14 93 vol 269 no 14 p 1807 von reyn c fordham the risk of hiv transmission from an hiv positive surgeon to patient is extremely low provided that the surgeon strictly adheres to universal infection control procedures write c fordham von reyn et al of the dartmouth hitchcock medical center in lebanon n h the researchers contacted 2 317 former patients on whom an hiv positive orthopedic surgeon performed invasive procedures between january 1 1978 and june 30 1992 the orthopedic surgeon voluntarily withdrew from practice after testing positive for hiv a total of 1 174 former patients underwent hiv testing representing 50 7 percent of patients on whom the orthopedic surgeon performed invasive procedures during the 13 5 year period patients were tested from each year and from each category of invasive procedure all patients were found to be negative for hiv by enzyme linked immunosorbent assay two former patients reported known hiv infection prior to surgery the examination of aids case registries and vital records neglected to detect cases of hiv infection among former surgical patients the estimated cost of the initial patient notification and testing was 158 000 with the single most expensive activity being counseling and testing this accounted for 37 percent of the total expense the patient notification and testing were conducted while maintaining the confidentiality of the orthopedic surgeon who was an active participant in the planning and execution of the study notifying patients of the infected surgeons hiv status is both disruptive and expensive and is not routinely recommended the researchers conclude investigation of potential hiv transmission to the patients of an hiv infected surgeon journal of the american medical association 04 14 93 vol hicnet medical newsletter page 38 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 269 no 14 p 1795 smith rogers audrey et al the risk of hiv transmission during surgery is so remote that it will be quantified only by gathering data from multiple methodologically similar investigations writes audrey smith rogers et al of the johns hopkins university school of medicine in baltimore md the researchers identified a total of 1 131 persons in hospital databases who underwent invasive surgical procedures between 1984 and 1990 and for whom the hiv positive surgeon was listed as the operating surgeon the aids case registries were reviewed for all patients having undergone invasive procedures and death certificates were obtained among the 1 131 patients 101 were dead 119 had no address 413 had test results known and 498 did not respond to the questionnaire no study patient name was found in reported aids case registries one newly detected hiv positive patient was determined to have been most probably infected in 1985 during a transfusion there was no hiv transmission in 369 person hours of surgical exposure suggesting that hiv transmission to patients is unlikely to occur more frequently than once per 1000 person hours of surgical exposure the researchers determined there is no evidence to suggest that the surgeon failed to adhere to standard infection control guidelines over 50 percent of the patients with invasive procedures chose to be tested and of those whose results were revealed only one person was found to be infected with hiv the study patients infection was probably the result of a tainted blood transfusion received in 1985 as a result there is no evidence that the transmission of hiv from the hiv positive surgeon to any patient transpired the researchers conclude april 20 1993 drug concerns to share aids data new york times 04 20 93 p c10 kolata gina a total of 15 major pharmaceutical companies have decided in a highly unusual move to share aids drugs and information while the drugs are undergoing early clinical testing dr edward scolnick president of the merck research laboratory in rahway n j arranged the collaboration he said that cooperation between companies seemed increasingly significant as it had become clear that combinations of drugs were likely to be more effective in fighting hiv than any drug used alone the researchers are hopeful that hiv when faced with a combination of several drugs requiring mutation at different sites for resistance to develop will be unable to evolve all the mutations at the same time therefore several drugs taken together or one after the other could halt the spread of hiv currently the drug companies do not know what other drugs their competitors are developing the new agreement allows companies to routinely exchange animal data and safety data on new aids drugs an agreement like this will greatly facilitate hicnet medical newsletter page 39 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 companies ability to choose the best drug combinations much faster and in a much more efficient way said scolnick he also said that the collaboration would not violate antitrust laws in creating the agreement merck spoke frequently to members of aids advocacy groups including act up dr daniel hoth director of the division on aids at the national institute of allergy and infectious disease said were delighted to see the pharmaceutical industry take this step because we think that increasing the information flow will likely accelerate the discovery of better compounds for aids related stories wall street journal 04 20 p b1 philadelphia inquirer 04 20 p a3 usa today 04 20 p 1b the next step in aids treatment nature 04 08 93 vol 362 no 6420 p 493 maddox john although azt was found to be ineffective in prolonging the lives of people infected with hiv the findings do not indicate that azt should not be administered in people with full blown aids writes columnist john maddox azt has been used in the united states in asymptomatic hiv positive people on the basis that administration of the drug appeared to abate the decline of t cell counts however a report in the lancet demonstrated that azt should not be used early in the course of disease while the cd4 counts of the 877 people given azt were consistently greater than those of patients receiving only placebo the first three years of follow up have shown that the proportions of people in the two groups progressing to overt aids or even to death were not significantly different at roughly 18 percent the conclusions are that azt is not an effective aids drug in hiv infected individuals and that cd4 cell count may not be a reliable proxy for the progression to aids in infected people but nothing is implied by the study of the utility of azt in the treatment of those in whom symptoms have already appeared there is no case for abandoning that treatment at least on the evidence now available it is much more alarming that the cd4 count has proven to be an unreliable mark of the efficacy of drug treatment in hiv infection aids researchers should acknowledge hiv is alive from the beginning of infection and turn it into a workable assay of the progress of disease the general application of such an assay will probably in itself provide a better understanding of the pathogenesis of aids concludes maddox infective and anti infective properties of breastmilk from hiv 1 infected women lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 914 van de perre philippe et al a vaccine preparation inducing a persistent immune response of the igm type in the mothers body fluids could be valuable to prevent transmission of hiv 1 from mother to child write philippe van de perre et al of the hicnet medical newsletter page 40 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 national aids control program in kigali rwanda the researchers hypothesized that transmission of hiv 1 through breastmilk could be favored by the presence of infected cells by deficiency of anti infective substances in breastmilk or both factors a total of 215 hiv 1 infected women were enrolled at delivery in kigali rwanda milk samples were collected 15 days 6 months and 18 months post partum hiv 1 igg secretory iga and igm were assayed by western blot for the latter two after removal of igg with protein g in the 15 day and 6 month samples the researchers sought viral genome in milk cells by double polymerase chain reaction with three sets of primers gag pol and env at 15 days 6 months and 18 months post partum hiv 1 specific igg was detected in 95 percent 98 percent and 97 percent of breastmilk samples iga in 23 percent 28 percent and 41 percent and igm in 66 percent 78 percent and 41 percent in children who survived longer than 18 months the risk of infection was associated with lack of persistence of igm and iga in their mothers milk the presence of hiv 1 infected cells in the milk 15 days post partum was strongly predictive of hiv 1 infection in the child by both univariate and multivariate analysis the combination of hiv 1 infected cells in breastmilk and a defective igm response was the strongest predictor of infection igm and iga anti hiv 1 in breastmilk may protect against postnatal transmission of hiv the researchers conclude april 21 1993 firms to share aids research in global venture journal of commerce 04 21 93 p 7a a total of fifteen u s and european pharmaceutical companies announced tuesday they will swap drug supplies and information on early stage aids research to hasten the search for combination therapies to fight hiv infection and aids the companies said the unusual move resulted primarily from the increasing concentration of aids research on combination therapies since realizing that hiv is likely to develop resistance to every individual aids drug edward scolnick president of merck co research laboratories led the collaborative effort that took a year of negotiations to come together said participants in addition to merck the other companies involved in the inter company collaboration for aids drug development are bristol myers squibb co burroughs wellcome glaxo inc hoffman la roche eli lilly co pfizer inc smithkline beecham ab astra du pont merck syntex inc boehringer ingelheim miles inc and sigma tau the participants said that all companies involved in aids drug development they were aware of had joined the collaboration and that any company actively involved in hiv anti viral development may participate scolnick said the collaborators would most likely meet every couple of months for a daylong scientific meeting where they will review for one another their preclinical hicnet medical newsletter page 41 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 and early clinical data the american foundation for aids research amfar was pleased with the news of the collaboration which it hopes will lead to the development of drug combinations that will reduce viral resistance related story financial times 04 21 p 1 guidance over hiv infected health care workers lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 952 horton richard the united kingdoms department of health recently followed the advice of aids experts that there is no scientific reason for routine hiv testing among health care workers following recent highly publicized reports of health professionals who contracted hiv the department issued revised guidelines on the management of such cases dr kenneth calman chief medical officer said doctors dentists nurses and other health care workers have an ethical duty to seek advice if they have been exposed to hiv infection including if appropriate diagnostic hiv testing he said infected health care workers should not perform invasive procedures that carry even a remote risk of exposing patients to the virus the guidelines end of part 3 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na medicine re candida albicans what is it in article 1993apr19 084258 1040 ida liu se davpa ida liu se david partain writes someone i know has recently been diagnosed as having candida albicans a disease about which i can find no information apparently it has something to do with the bodys production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast can anyone out there tell me any more about it candida albicans can cause severe life threatening infections usually in people who are otherwise quite ill this is not however the sort of illness that you are probably discussing systemic yeast syndrome where the body is allergic to yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine there is a book the yeast connection which talks about this illness there is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article mekenkamp 6 737653432 stpc wi leidenuniv nl mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl leo mekenkamp writes excuse me are you one of those people who enjoy working w win come talk to a house mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he encountered yet another sudden appearence of the dos prompt while cutting and pasting in win or an empty win screen without any tasks running i e esc brings up an empty list progman has done it again sigh dont know what your roomate is doing but it must be something wrong are there people who enjoy using windows yes ill admit to it given a choice between a mac and windows i choose windows every time to start another flame thread 9 iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns douglas craig holland holland cs colostate edu writes lostsa crap deleted trim your articles what about guns with non lethal bullets like rubber or plastic bullets would those work very well in stopping an attack last i heard non lethal was a bit of a misnomer for these things jason democrat give us your money well solve your problems republican give us your money well ignore your problems libertarian keep your money solve your own problems steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu medicine re centi and milli pedes in 1993apr29 112642 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes in article 35004 castle ed ac uk gtclark festival ed ac uk g t clark writes msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case rebecca millipedes i understand are vegetarian and therefore almost certainly will not bite and are not poisonous centipedes are carnivorous and although i dont have any absolute knowledge on this i would tend to think that youre in no danger from anything but a concerted assault by several million of them g not sure of this but i think some millipedes cause a toxic reaction sting so i would not assume that they are not dangerous merely on the basis of vegetarianism after all wasps are vegetarian too dnc as a child i can remember picking up a centipede and getting a rather painful sting but it quickly subsided much less painful compared to a bee sting centipedes have a poison claw one of the front feet to stun their prey but in my single experience it did not have a lot of bite to it a medicine re frequent nosebleeds in article 1993apr17 195202 28921 freenet carleton ca ab961 freenet carleton ca robert allison writes does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency my younger brothers each tried a skin transplant thigh to nose lining but their nosebleeds soon returned ive seen a reference to an herb called rutin that is supposed to help and id like to hear of experiences with it or other techniques rutin is a bioflavonoid compounds found among other places in the rinds of citrus fruits these have been popular especially in europe to treat capillary fragility and seemingly in even more extreme cases a few months ago a friend was visiting from italy and he said that hed had hemorrhoids but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills incredulously i asked to look at them and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient i probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering i have no idea how hes doing hemorrhoid wise these days the studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal this stuff is pretty much non toxic and probably inexpensive so theres little risk of trying it but i wouldnt expect much of a result steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer guns heres the number to call for ca bills i made a few phone calls today and found that if you call the bill room at the sacramento state capitol you may order free of charge any bills that are currently being pushed i was told that they will only fill an order of five bills per phone call but when i asked kindly and told the nice lady that it was very important she filled my order for ten california state bill room 916 445 2323 subject re need senate bill numbers and house resolution numbers sorry i forgot to include this in my previous letter but we also have to worry about state bills these are the ones that i am currently aware of sb 292 sb 247 sb 67 sb 89 sb 180 ab 117 ab 155 ab 166 ab 482 ab 501 my thanks to bob hale for providing the bill numbers peter d nesbitt air traffic controller pnesbitt mcimail com oakland bay tracon cbr600f2 pilot nra member ccx1380f s w 41 magnum carrier hey i fixed my sig file baseball re best homeruns dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes in article 4200419 hpcc01 corp hp com boell hpcc01 corp hp com donald p boell writes id have to say the most impressive hrs ive ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa 1976 at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out my favorite was the barry foote homer that bounced on waveland and through a second floor window across the street second though would be the kong drive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the park at waveland mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu baseball re hbp bb big cat in article c5srg2 cpt odin corp sgi com kubey sgi com ken kubey writes i didnt say that pitchers fear of throwing strikes to guys like mcgwire bonds and frank thomas was rational i just said that it exists but why mcgwire and not carter i can see some justification for bonds or thomas because they tend to have higher batting averages but the major difference i see between mcgwire and carter is that carter doesnt draw walks why arent pitchers afraid to throw strikes to carter sherri nichols snichols adobe com guns cnn for sale w k gorman 3 maybe nows the time for us the nra goa ccrtkba saf et al to band 3 together and buy cnn as our voice wouldnt that be sumpin broadcast 3 the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro gun item or two 3 i would like to see this happen i dont think it will i dont 3 think the average gun owner will take any notice of what is happening 3 until they break down his door 3 but i will go on record publicly to the effect that i will contribute a 3 minimum of 1 000 00 to the buy out fund if it can be organized and made 3 viable anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is 3 there ar 50 million gun owners out there if and its a big and 3 not very realistic if we got hold of cnn the anti gun bullshit would 3 stop right there why wont it happen because nobody will get off their 3 ass and make it happen nuts any nra headquarters weenies listening to this man any rtkba organization honcho listening its time to stop fighting the bradys and the schumers now theres an interesting meaning to the acronynm bs from the comfort of the office we had better get serious with our time and money and get after it or we might just as well pack it in now olx 2 2 gun control advocates must have had a sanity by pass ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard guns re boston gun buy back in article 8110356 hpfcso fc hp com ron hpfcso fc hp com ron miller writes from urbin interlan interlan com mark urbin rm just a short thought when you ask the question of the authorities or sponsors of buyback programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer no its total amnesty please note that the 50 given for each firearm in the boston buy back will not be in cash but money orders how much total amnesty can you get if you leave paper trail behind in the latest case in denver they were giving away tickets to a denver nuggets basketball game how traceable is a money order i dont know havent used one in 20 years money orders operate pretty much like checks with both parties being supposed to sign them i assume youd have to show the buy back people an id and youd then have a money order made out to that id as far as traceable as a practical matter i dont know it would depend on whether they bother to computerize who the recipients name is on the money order and bother keying that sort of thing in id say certainly the police and the buyback people would keep a record of who they gave money orders out to is that even an issue if the weapons arent checked for being stolen there might be some questions asked i suppose if somebody brought in a number of weapons each time over a series of buy back programs david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality hudson athena cs uga edu paul hudson jr writes in article m0njxcg 0000vec juts ccc amdahl com rich bellacera amail amdahl com writes why dont we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people to jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from jesus but we shouldnt water down the gospel to draw people in very well put and in the case of someone who calls himself a christian brother yet continues in his sin and claims that his sin is not a sin at all but perfectly acceptable what should be done should christians just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person by reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the bible are they using a bullwhip to drive people from jesus frankly i find the occurance of a homosexual christian attempting to pass himself off as a straight christian in order to have other christians accept his chastisement better a lot more serious than people reaffirming that the bible teaches homosexuality is a sin walter guns re riddle me this in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes yet the fbi mouthpiece at this afternoons press conference characterized the quantity of cs gas pumped into the building as massive and speculated that after a few hours of exposure any davidian gas masks would become useless does this sound not harmful to you hm a previous poster argued that the fact that the bds did not rush to escape the burning building indicated that it was they and not any of the government actions that started the fire on the other hand i wonder if with a face full of massive amounts of cs i would be able to escape a burning tinder box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows re win nt what is it in article 2bcf2664 3c6a deneva sdd trw com reimert etdesg trw com scott p reimert writes somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though scott it certainly is multi user what i have seen from the march beta is that it doesnt yet come with the stuff which exploits multi user features i remember somebody from ms stating that it doesnt allow two users share one gui my interpretation of this was that one user per console but all the networking and rpc based stuff you want i believe ftp and rlogin deamons for nt systems will come from third party somebody already has a beta version of an unsecure ftpd on the net there is no reason why one cannot write a posix based shell like csh on unix for remote logins in general i liked nt when i checked it out it slow compared to win3 1 just like any other real os the beta version although being slow botts up much faster than my sun workstation windows subsystems also start up a lot faster than x windows i believe bill gates was right when he stated that nt was not for everybody after playing around with it for a while i was convinced if i owned a busines using a business computer from ibm or some other established vendor i would consider moving to nt platform because it would provide a much cheaper solution if you are running sql servers etc it provides the robustness such an application requires on the other hand if you like your dos games more or less forget about nt you can always boot to dos but in general that defeats the purpose of using nt most of nts features are visible in a networked environment and in such an environment you cant reboot your machine at will for personal use i would rather wait for the win32 based windows release whatever you name it than jump to nt bandwagon i expect most applications will keep on using win16 until win32 becomes widely available sadun anik u of illinois at urbana champaign center for reliable and high performance computing e mail anik crhc uiuc edu religion re info about new age in article 1qvnu9 a8a geraldo cc utexas edu hawk ccwf cc utexas edu writes greetings could anybody here give me any information about new age religion about the history the teachings or may be suggestions what books i should read in order to get those info any help would be greatly appreciated contact watchman fellowship p o box 171194 holladay ut 84117 1194 ask for their book the new age and space age heresies the new age in our schools baseball re players overpaid ted franks list of underpaid players was this p juan guzman 500 p mussina 400 p castillo 250 p eldred 175 p rhodes 155 p militello 118 rp rojas 300 rp beck 250 rp melendez 235 rp hernandez 185 rp nied 150 c rodriguez 275 c piazza 126 1b thomas 900 1b bagwell 655 2b knoblauch 500 2b barberie 190 3b gomez 312 5 3b palmer 250 ss listach 350 ss pena 170 lf gonzalez 525 cf lankford 290 rf r sanders 275 of plantier 245 what do all of these players have in common they do not qualify for arbitration they were never free agents its called the reserve clause look it up and a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way overpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb humbug king sparky banaian no taxes no new taxes kbanaian pitzer claremont edu no old taxes we are taxed dept of economics pitzer college enough rep alan keyes latest 1993 gdp forecast 2 4 please run alan medicine re krillean photography ttrusk its mcw edu thomas trusk writes but to say youre an atheist is to suggest you have proof there is no god to be a politically correct skeptic better to go with agnostic like me as a self proclaimed atheist my position is that i believe that there is no god i dont claim to have any proof i interpret the agnostic position as having no beliefs about gods existence grant edwards yow are we there yet my rosemount inc mind is a submarine grante aquarius rosemount com guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r8vg9 rl5 bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it for heating purposes because of the weather in texas everyone now claims that it was for cooking stop and think about this this whole thread is rediculous who cares if they had a stove going or not does it matter if they had a stove burning or lanterns burning or candles burning or someone smoking etc etc etc the premise is that the fbi was filling the house with napalm so that it would catch fire this is crazy fbi was not pumping napalm into the davidians home you will have to have pretty damn strong evidence to convince me of that i can believe mass suicide murder by koresh i can believe an accident by the davidians i can believe an accident by the fbi i can easily believe mass stupidity on all sides but i can not believe that the fbi lit this fire intentionally no way chris bartz chrisb natinst com guns re ban all firearms in article 1qc5sa obl pandora sdsu edu chiu io nosc mil francis chiu writes a note on the lighter side ive noticed most gun banners some of my friends included are the one who make comments that indicate they are more likely to resort to violent so are they really banning guns so they wouldnt end up shooting someone else could be it is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to violence they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react otherwise david olson dlo drutx att com well i did say well put it out and well put it out when we can but i dont know what we can put out or when we can put it out george stephanopolous baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1993apr22 192035 23822 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes in article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds i have to wonder if this good hitter behind you argument is really valid has anyone done a study on this paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 you want a study look at matt williams the year after mitchell was gone look no further not a scientific study but itll show the truth for matt besides bonds wants to bat 5th tim if you want an actual analysis of batting order look up analysis of baseball batting order by monte carlo simulation by freeze journal of the operations research scoiety of america no 22 1975 medicine re pregnency without sex in article 8frk1ym00vp5apxl1q andrew cmu edu gabriel d underwood gabe cmu edu writes i heard a great civil war story a guy on the battlfield is shot in the groin the bullet continues on its path and lodges in the abdomen of a female spectator lo and behold as the legend goes both parents survived married and raised the child who turned out to be a real son of a gun religion re rosicrucian order s in a previous article cdcolvin rahul net christopher d colvin says i worked at amorc when i was in hs ok so you were a naive teen he hs lewis dates back to the 20s wrong 1915 and if you do your homework 1909 but he was born last century 1883 right now amorc is embroiled in some internal political turmoil no it isnt cars re warning please read in article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com neil williams writes as long as were on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate 5 north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident im sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the 14 year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do execute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory required attendendence by the rest of the inmates as soon as possible after the incident and a quick sure trial i am quite serious cause and effect nothing else will ever make a dent i dont think ill over forget this story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue wa me neither tom mackey 206 865 6575 tomm voodoo ca boeing com boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo tomm m s 7k 20 p o box 24346 seattle wa 98124 0346 guns batf fbi revenge jason kratz writing jk if they had rocket launchers and such as the press and gov claims why jk shouldnt they have done something what possible use would a religious cult jk have for a rocket launcher also is child abuse covered by the bill of jk rights this is taken a little out of context and im not flaming jason its just that this was the proverbial straw i grow a little weary of the allegations here the media people on the street that the bds had all these horrible illegal weapons and other paraphenalia of destruction capable of blowing tanks 50 feet into the air and then without missing a beat discuss how the bds willfully commited mass suicide or killed their own less fanatical and then commited mass suicide etc etc if the bds had all these things and intended to blow up their abode blow up waco blow up the entire country or whatever suits your fancy what happened to all the violence they were supposed to unleash why wouldnt they have gone out in the proverbial blaze of glory and come out shooting with an attitude of lets take as many of those dogs as possible with us instead they seemed to have preferred death to whatever they thought was in store for them at the governments hands its totally immaterial whether they were all crazy all fanatics all followers of the antichrist haters of the government practicers of weird lifestyles or whatever they must have felt that they were being pressured into renouncing their beliefs however how strange or lunatic those beliefs might appear to you and me there is much precedent for such devotion to cause my conclusion at this point is that the authorities seriously misread their danger to society else why did the bds not do as suggested above and or chose this incident to make some heinous point or satisfy some internal agenda up to and including ag j renbo using this as an opportunity to assert her manhood some people really do believe it is better to die than be subjected to what they perceive as the godless government when i force myself to not judge others by my own personal standards and beliefs i can almost admire their stand i surely believe in the constitution but i dont know that i have such strength of conviction as evidenced by the bds olx 2 2 obesa non cantatis ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard religion re ignorance is bliss was is it good that jesus died in article f1682ap quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey wrote in article sandvik 170493104859 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes ignorance is not bliss ignorance is strength help spread the truth of ignorance huh if ignorance is strength then i wont distribute this piece of information if i want to follow your advice contradiction above cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns photographers removed from compound relay of coverage seen there was a press conference by authorities at the compound on cnn earlier today wednesday it was explained that two news photographers were found on the compound earlier this morning without permission it was explained to the press corps that this is dangerous and that an unknown photographer turning around with a long lens camera could be mistaken for someone dangerous by a texas ranger surveying the site the two photographers were said to be currently in jail and the press were warned to follow the authorities guidelines it was also emphasized that the survey of the crime scene at this point was crucial and that the press could not be allowed to interfere the press will not be allowed in until the bodies are removed and the site has been completely surveyed for evidence for a court case that is the gist of the beginning of the conference to the best of my memory i bring this up because i havent seen anyone else note it and i havent seen the regular newscasts mention it it will probably be mentioned in the papers tomorrow my opinions i find this disturbing while i believe that koresh is largely responsible for not ending this standoff in a peacable manner during the last 51 days of patient opportunity i find the secrecy surrounding the aftermath more damaging to the authorities position than they realize since the vast majority of potential defendents in a court case are already dead the emphasis on the importance of building the court case seems overblown to me it will be interesting to see the hearings on this affair i have also heard congressional calls for a review and possible overhaul of government enforcement agencies which you will recall i have stated would be a good idea in previous months please also note that i by no means endorse or agree with the many conspiracy type theories i have read here and in other groups as usual i am basing my opinions on info gathered from various media and filtered by my own common sense and consideration of plausibility imho as such my opinion is subject to change as more information is made available scott roby standard disclaimer baseball re best homeruns in article 1qn6tqinnmnf senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article 1993apr16 172502 2301 osf org dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes the best home run i have ever seen came off believe it or not roger clemens sorry val a couple of years ago he threw a ball to incaviglia which was literally at inkys neck and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it after the swing clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball he didnt even turn around to look or even get upset the ball hit the lights in the left field standard some 70 or so feet about the green monster over 100 feet above the ground total truly an amazing shot i was at that game behind home plate next to a scout who was manning the radar gun the 1991 season was winding down and roger didnt have his best fastball topping out at 88 90 in contrast to frank tanana who went as low as 50 with one lollipop in the process of striking out phil plantier five times on the night inkys shot would have gone further than any ive ever seen if it hadnt crashed into the lights not the lightstand as you say over 100 feet high roy hobbs like and bounced back onto the field that had to have been a 525 footer if unobstructed edging out bo jacksons drive off oil can boyd to the top of the centerfield bleacher back wall in 1988 for the best ive seen personally i was sitting under that one glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation littleton ma g waugaman nac enet dec com windows dlls and registerclass createwindow hi all i have a dll in which i register a class and create a window of that class type both calls require a module instance handle hinstance petzolds 3 1 book says that it is best to use the module instance handle of the calling program not the module instance handle of the dll page 934 i have two questions 1 is there a way to find out the module instance handle of a module 2 what are the possible problems with using the instance handle of the dll thanks in advance mike mike smith e mail m smith ma30 bull com bull hn information systems inc phone 508 294 2049 300 concord road ma30 815a fax 508 294 3807 billerica ma 01821 usa baseball re yankkes 1 game closer my god hope we dont have to put up with this kind of junk all season in article 002251w 5 734117130 axe acadiau ca 002251w axe acadiau ca jason walter works writes the n y yankees are now one game closer to the a l east pennant they clobbered cleveland 9 1 on a fine pitching performance by key and two homeruns by tartabull first m l baseball to go out this season and a three how many home runs by tartabull just 1 right you must be thinking of dean palmer or juan gonzalez both of texas who each had 2 homers run homer by nokes for all of you who didnt pick boggs in your pools tough break he had a couple hits and drove in a couple runs with many more i dont know how many to follow but he was 1 for 4 go yanks mattingly for g glove and mvp and abbot for cy young spare us please windows re winbench 3 11 help graphics comparison in article 1pqd9hinnbmi zephyr grace cri nz srg3sir grv grace cri nz writes in article c4zogd c56 news udel edu swyatt bach udel edu stephen l wyatt writes i have a question about winbench pc labs thing 3 11 i have a 386 33 and a ahead b 512k card and got these results windows vga driver 2 44 million ahead b 640 480 256 driver 455 000 winmarks windows svga 800 600 16 driver 1 68 million winmarks i was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card i read it had about 8 million winmark on my 386dx 33mhz 4mb ram winbench 2 5 24x v2 02 16 7m 1 668 274 v2 03 16 7m 1 668 985 v2 03 16 4 602 428 v2 03 256 7 635 278 be very careful with these results as i recall numbers from winbench 2 5 are calculated differently from 3 1 and so these figures are not comparable however to answer stephens question replacing the ahead b card with a diamond 24x will yield a cost effective dramatic speed increase for windows that or the ati graphics ultra plus greg franklin franklig gas uug arizona edu baseball re ive found the secret in article 1993apr15 161730 9903 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes why are the red sox in first place eight games into the season they already have two wins each from clemens and viola clemens starts again tonight on three days rest huh clemens pitched last on saturday giving him his usual four days rest whats up are the sox going with a four man rotation is this why hesketh was used in relief last night brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com i didnt think i shouldve been asked to catch when the temperature was below my age carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher on playing during a 40 degree april ball game medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1quqlginn83q im4u cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes my definition is this science is the investigation of the empirical that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous work reading this definition i wonder when should you recognize something as being a mistake it seems to me that proponents of pseudo sciences might have their own ideas of what constitutes a mistake and which discoveries of such previous mistakes they accept kristoffer eriksson peridot konsult ab stallgatan 2 s 702 26 oerebro sweden phone 46 19 33 13 00 e mail ske pkmab se fax 46 19 33 13 30 or mail swip net kullmar pkmab ske cars re its a rush was re too fast in article 1993apr19 230010 4937 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5r43y f0d mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes in article 5265 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked well thats news before 1975 the speed limit on texas highways was 75 the speed limit on the new jersey turnpike i 95 was 70 there were no speed limits in nevada or montana i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin 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information contained in the bible which is the original context of this thread brian kendig is inside a huge wall brian is inside the bible and the information contained therein are outside the wall um i think you and the bible are the ones inside the wall theres a really wonderful world out here you really should peek out at it sometime the silly things you keep saying only reinforce the fact that we are on opposite sides of a very high wall i see how incredibly beautiful things are on my side and i only keep telling you about it because id like to you come join me here brian kendig proves this very sad fact by the absurd things he says for example if i get through into the firey pit i will cease to exist i never said that i said that i would prefer to cease to exist than to be tossed into any gods version of hell i am proposing to brian brian come up here and take a look from this vantage point but brian replies i rather not thank you i am content where i am besides the vista from up there stinks and in the meanwhile brian ignores the facts that he has never up there nor does he realize i had shared the same plateau where brian now stands you say to me brian come up here and take a look from this vantage point but youre in a valley looking at a crayon drawing of a sun and a tree and i cant for the life of me figure out why youre so immersed in it i m the one trying to get you to come up here dont you see brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau cars re info opinions wanted on cars in this article in article c5st37 hf3 ns1 nodak edu bell plains nodak edu robert bell writes in article 1993apr13 182100 26650 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 49071 fibercom com rrg rtp fibercom com rhonda gaines writes im in the market for a new car currently i own a 90 mazda mx 6 dx which has served me just fine however id like to get a 4 door car since i dont relish the thought of moving a carseat around in a 2 door car my criteria are 4 door a c am fm cassette quick acceleration cruise control decent rear seat legroom my husband is a 6 footer it must also be under 20k preferably closer to the 11 15k range which will probably rule out the accord the 93 cars that have caught my eye are toyota corolla toyata camry mazda 626 pontiac grand am pontiac grand prix honda accord and civic if its roomy enough and still comes in a 4 door model hyundai sonata and maybe even a small oldsmobile although not the achieva all opinions benchmarks recommendations etc are welcome the civic does still come in a 4 door model my wife and i looked quite seriously at the 626 prizm corolla and civic as well as some other cars our impressions all three seemed well built and had the features we wanted these are similar to the features you want except for cruise control and we want a manual transmission and are considering anti lock brakes i also hate automatic seatbelts and we both think having an airbag is a plus in general comfort and performance were both significant some specific s and s are listed below mazda 626 very comfortable and roomy can theoretically get abs on dx model though in practice this is hard to find base price for base model includes numerous little things like tach variable speed wipers rear defroster 60 40 split folding rear seat more expensive than many other cars listed below honda civic dx gets significantly better mileage than other cars listed here comfortable front seat adjustable seat belt mounting no abs without ex model includes 1000s of other things like a sunroof geo prizm toyota corolla seats not very comfortable to us your mileage may vary adjustable seat belt mounting can get abs without lots of other extras saturn sl2 was quite comfortable though sl1 less so motorized attack belts dodge spirit no real outstanding s but seemed generally ok rear seat does not fold down chevy corsica comes with abs standard lower would you buy that car again and safety ratings in consumer reports than first 3 cars above suspension didnt feel as stiff as the others this would be a for some the honda accord and toyota camry were both more expensive than the 626 and in our minds not significantly better we probably gave disproportionately low consideration to the big 3 due a to my wifes familys general dislike of chrysler products b some unimpressive gm products owned by my parents and a housemate of mine c the taurus comes with automatic transmission i find the seat of the tempo very uncomfortable and the escort has attack belts and no air bag well probably end up with a 626 i saw a 626 dx with a c and cassette advertised for just under 12800 washington post april 14 i think and my local dealer says they can match that price i will probably get the 626 maybe tomorrow the main question in my mind is whether or not i will have to do a factory order or preference order to get one with abs and whether or not the dealership will run the price up a lot if i do so cars re sho and sc in article 1993apr16 193553 27118 mksol dseg ti com a207706 moe dseg ti com robert loper writes in article c5l8re 28 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr15 232412 2261 ganglion ann arbor mi us david ganglion ann arbor mi us david hwang writes i would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic transmissions from all performance type cars like the 5 0l mustangs camaros and the like wed cut down on the number of accidents each year autos are fine for sedate little sedans but they have no business in performance cars imho james i have to disagree with this i have a 92 z28 with a 350 and a 4 speed auto w overdrive and it is really better that way chevy autos are reknowned for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power i live in the dallas area and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic here now if i still lived out in the sticks like i used to a manual would be more fun i dont know if its as much an issue of their ablility to handle the power as it is the power they lose in the torque converter etc safety wise an auto is less distracting i would hate to have to be shifting gears while i was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here performance wise i can hold my own against any stock 5 0 mustang or 5 0 camaro w a five speed however if you encounter a 93 formula with 5 7l 6 speed manual youll be sol im afraid btw i know of what i speak as a former owner of a 5 7l auto iroc 1989 and current owner of the aforementioned car chris s chris silvester any man capable of getting himself elected president chriss sam amgen com should by no means be allowed to do the job chriss netcom com douglas adams the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy medicine re broken rib hello i think you are probaly right in spite of the movement it is getting better each day cheers jc oneb almanac bc ca john cross the old frogs almanac home of the almanac unix users group 604 245 3205 v32 public access usenet 604 245 4366 2400x4 vancouver island british columbia waffle xenix 1 64 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause the only folks claiming this are the atf fbi who have an interest in putting the blame on the bds wake up what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions right and proper how it was fubar from day 1 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid from all independent sources yes 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome it would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been worse 3 were fbi actions blaring loudspeakers etc the right course of action sure it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even more paranoid and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue and what makes you think that waffle boy didnt tell her to take the wrap it was job preservation not balls wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 1993apr16 174436 22897 midway uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghty writes wrong about the whole guns for protection mindset it ignores the systemic effects of cumulative individual actions if you want fire insurance on your house thats prudent and it has no effect on me but if you and a bunch of other paranoids are packing handguns in the backcountry it makes me and anyone else who doesnt chose to protect himself in this manner pretty f king nervous why if youre not a threat youre not affected at all i mean take this to its logical conclusion suppose we all carried handguns all the time for protection from all the other people carrying handguns would we collectively be or feel safer hell no wed feel a lot more insecure why i note that the available psych info says that feelings of security increase the victimization stats say that that increase is rational another systemic effect of all the good people protecting themselves is that the bad people are going to modify their behavior in response yes they are but how theyre going to be much itchier and much more willing to kill people in the course of routine muggings if they think their nope that doesnt happen instead the switch among those who change behaviors to property crimes thats an improvement even if the economic take is unchanged sure not everyone switches but they were killing before andy medicine lymenet newsletter vol 1 09 lyme disease electronic mail network lymenet newsletter volume 1 number 09 4 26 93 i introduction ii announcements iii news from the wires iv questions n answers v op ed section vi jargon index vii how to subscribe contribute and get back issues i introduction in this issue of the newsletter we learn of the cdcs announced concern for the resurgence of infectious diseases in the united states thanks to jonathan lord for sending me the upi release the cdc announced they would feature a new series of articles in the morbidity and mortality weekly report on these infectious diseases ld is one of them we will keep you up to date on this series in addition we feature a the wall street journal article on the legal issues surrounding ld we also look at lymes effects from the perspective of urologists in an abstract entitled urinary dysfunction in lyme disease finally terry morse asks an intriguing question about a ticks habitat marc ii announcements source the lyme disease update subject call for articles attention health care professionals the lyme disease update would like to publish your articles on lyme disease diagnosis lyme treatment and the effects on lyme on lyme patients physical and mental health the ldu has a monthly circulation of 6 000 our mailing list includes lyme patients physicians researchers county health departments and over 100 lyme support groups nationwide we strive to give our readers up to date information on lyme disease prevention diagnosis and treatment and a source for support and practical advice on living with lyme disease articles for the ldu should be approximately 900 to 1200 words and should address lyme disease issues in non scientific language to submit your article mail to lyme disease update p o box 15711 0711 evansville in 47716 or fax to 812 471 1990 one year subscriptions to the lyme disease update are 19 24 outside the us mail your subscription requests to the above address or call 812 471 1990 for more information iii news from the wires sender jonathan lord jml4s uva pcmail virginia edu subject resurgence of infectious disease concerns cdc date thursday april 15 1993 atlanta upi a resurgence of infectious diseases blamed on newly emerging viruses and bacteria pose a major challenge for the nations health care system federal health officials said thursday the centers for disease control and prevention reporting its latest findings in an investigation of contaminated hamburger meat that sickened hundreds in 4 states and killed at least four said it will put renewed emphasis on battling infectious diseases part of that emphasis includes a new series titled emerging infectious diseases to be featured in the cdcs morbidity mortality weekly report which has a wide circulation in the health community the issue also will top the agenda of a two day meeting of scientific counselors to update the cdcs draft plan for dealing with the growing threat of infectious ailments this is an issue that has been coming and we do have a responsibility to deal with it said dr ruth berkelman deputy director of the cdcs national center for infectious diseases there were more cases of malaria in the u s in 1992 than in any year since the 1960s and latin america is experiencing a cholera epidemic the first in this century she said resistance of disease causing agents to antibiotics is also a problem we are seeing much more antibiotic resistance than we have in the past berkleman said she said even common ear infections frequently seen in children are becoming resistant to antibiotic treatment despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would soon be eliminated as a public health problem infectious diseases remain the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in the united states the cdc said it cited the emergence since the 1970s of a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes such as escherichia coli o157 h7 a deadly bacterial infection the hepatitis c virus hiv the virus that causes aids legionnaires disease lyme disease and toxic shock syndrome the incidences of many diseases widely presumed to be under control such as cholera malaria and tuberculosis have increased in many areas the cdc said it said efforts at control and prevention have been undermined by drug resistance source wall street journal reference 04 15 93 pb1 headline lyme disease ruling raises liability issues the tick that causes lyme disease may have found a new way to cause damage legal liability a federal judges decision holding a property owner liable for not doing enough to protect workers from lyme disease is getting as much attention as the latest medical study on the disease a flu like illness that can cause severe physical and mental disabilities and in rare instances death the decision last week has put property owners on notice that they may have to do more than protect themselves from the ticks they also may have to protect themselves from litigation if someone becomes infected while on the property the decision by u s district judge robert j ward in new york came after a week long trial in a case involving four track workers for the long island railroad judge ward found that the workers contracted the disease after they were bitten by ticks while on the job he ordered the new york state owned commuter line to pay the workers more than 560 000 to compensate for pain and suffering in addition to medical expenses and lost wages summer camps schools companies with facilities in rural or semirural areas and homeowners who rent to vacationers are among the groups that need to be worried about this ruling says stephen l kass an attorney at new york law firm berle kass case who wrote a legal article three years ago warning property owners of the potential liability even a family that invites friends over for a backyard barbecue might be potentially liable lawsuits for insect bites while rare arent unheard of a summer vacationer in southampton n y last year sued the owner of the home she rented claiming that a tick on the property gave her rocky mountain spotted fever in 1988 also on long island a jury ordered an outdoor restaurant to pay more than 3 million to a patron who was stung by a bee causing an allergic reaction and permanent quadriplegia the judge later threw out the award citing no evidence that a beehive was near the restaurant but lawyers say that the attention to lyme disease throughout the country its most prevalent in new england the middle atlantic states wisconsin minnesota and the northwest may make this particular insect bite a particularly litigious one the illness already has proved to be a source of controversy in the courtroom over such issues as the type of medical care insurers will cover and medical malpractice claims against doctors for not diagnosing the disease lawyers say workers compensation claims related to lyme disease have become common in some states in recent years payments in workers compensation cases however are limited to medical costs and lost earnings the case before judge ward dealt with a potentially much more lucrative avenue for damages because it involved the question of negligence unlike the workers compensation process the law governing injuries to rail workers allows for a finding of negligence and as a result for additional payments for pain and suffering property owners and lawyers say that negligence claims can be made in many other situations where people are exposed to the ticks that carry the disease ira m maurer a partner at new york law firm elkind flynn maurer who represented the rail workers says the decision will help to establish the duty of all sorts of property owners to protect against lyme disease lawyers caution that despite judge wards decision winning a lawsuit for damages caused by lyme disease may prove difficult for one thing victims have to demonstrate that they have pinned down when and where they got the tick bite judge ward found that the plaintiffs in the railroad case got lyme disease while working on property owned by the railroad even though none of the men remembered being bitten the workers who werent outdoorsmen likely to be exposed elsewhere to the insects said they saw ticks in the high grass that surrounded some work sites a spokeswoman for the railroad says that there was no proof that the four men were bitten while on the job and that the railroad is considering an appeal the railroad also disputes judge wards finding that it didnt do enough to protect employees the spokeswoman says the railroad provides track workers with insect repellent and special pants to protect against bug bites debate in the scientific community over lyme disease could open up some legal defenses for property owners such as questioning whether a victim actually has the disease rather than some other illness earlier this week the journal of the american medical association reported that doctors overly diagnose patients as having lyme disease and damages awarded to a victim also might be influenced by medical disputes over the degree of harm that lyme disease causes because of health and safety concerns some groups and companies already take special measures to protect against lyme disease last year at its headquarters in franklin lakes n j becton dickinson co began using damminix a pesticide made by ecohealth inc of boston that is designed to kill ticks carrying the disease the medical supply companys headquarters include a 120 acre park and the company was worried that employees who walk on its trails for recreation might get infected ruth lister a spokeswoman for the american camping association in indianapolis says that many youth camps accredited by her organization also have begun to check children for ticks and carole katz a member of the board of the fire island pines property owners association says her group spends 30 000 each year to treat their 100 acre site off the coast of new york with the tick killing pesticide title urinary dysfunction in lyme disease authors chancellor mb mcginnis de shenot pj kiilholma p hirsch ih department of urology jefferson medical college thomas jefferson university philadelphia pennsylvania reference j urol 1993 jan 149 1 26 30 lyme disease which is caused by the spirochete borrelia burgdorferi is associated with a variety of neurological sequelae we describe 7 patients with neuro borreliosis who also had lower urinary tract dysfunction urodynamic evaluation revealed detrusor hyperreflexia in 5 patients and detrusor areflexia in 2 detrusor external sphincter dyssynergia was not noted on electromyography in any patient we observed that the urinary tract may be involved in 2 respects in the course of lyme disease 1 voiding dysfunction may be part of neuro borreliosis and 2 the spirochete may directly invade the urinary tract in 1 patient bladder infection by the lyme spirochete was documented on biopsy neurological and urological symptoms in all patients were slow to resolve and convalescence was protracted relapses of active lyme disease and residual neurological deficits were common urologists practicing in areas endemic for lyme disease need to be aware of b burgdorferi infection in the differential diagnosis of neurogenic bladder dysfunction conservative bladder management including clean intermittent catheterization guided by urodynamic evaluation is recommended iv questions n answers note if you have a response to this question please forward it to the editor sender terry morse morset ccmail orst edu subject question on lyme vectors and compost piles when i visited my sister on long island ny i was cautioned to avoid the compost heap in her back yard as she thinks this is where she became infected a friend of mine here in oregon who has a compost heap would like me to back that claim up with documentation do lyme carrying ticks hang out in compost heaps thank you v op ed section this section is open to all subscribers who would like to express an opinion vi jargon index bb borrelia burgdorferi the scientific name for the ld bacterium cdc centers for disease control federal agency in charge of tracking diseases and programs to prevent them cns central nervous system elisa enzyme linked immunosorbent assays common antibody test em erythema migrans the name of the bulls eye rash that appears in 60 of the patients early in the infection ifa indirect fluorescent antibody common antibody test ld common abbreviation for lyme disease nih national institutes of health federal agency that conducts medical research and issues grants to research interests pcr polymerase chain reaction a new test that detects the dna sequence of the microbe in question currently being tested for use in detecting ld tb and aids spirochete the ld bacterium its given this name due to its spiral shape western blot a more precise antibody test vii how to subscribe contribute and get back issues subscriptions anyone with an internet address may subscribe send a memo to listserv lehigh edu in the body type subscribe lymenet l your real name fax subscriptions are also available send a single page fax to 215 974 6410 for further information deletions send a memo to listserv lehigh edu 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abridged in any way send all bug reports to mcg2 lehigh edu baseball re braves update in article 1993apr20 163456 8983 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes 1 since time immemorial batters have complained about calls so have pitchers and catchers however batters didnt use to go for strolls after bad calls to the degree they do now i really think that this is the key point when i saw the incident on baseball tonight sunday i couldnt believe how far away from the plate gant went then he casually leaned against his bat i dont blame the umpire at all for telling the pitcher to pitch the worst part of the whole incident was the braves coming out onto the field what were they going to do attack the umpire the only people who shouldve been out there were cox and maybe the coaches but no players i agree with the person who posted before that cox should be suspended for having no control over his team john baseball ray lankford question does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths whereis the ray lankford we saw last year msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs one likes to believe in the freedom of baseball geddy lee medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 10557 blue cis pitt edu doyle pitt edu howard r doyle writes being a chronic hbsag carrier does not necessarily mean the patient has chronic persistent anything persons who are chronic carriers may have no clinical biochemical or histologic evidence of liver disease or they may have chronic persistent hepatitis chronic active hepatitis cirrhosis or hepatocellular carcinoma most cases of chronic persistent hepatitis cph are probably the result of a viral infection although in a good number of cases the cause cannot be determined the diagnosis of cph is made on the basis of liver biopsy it consists of findings of portal inflammation an intact periportal limiting plate and on occasion isolated foci of intralobular necrosis but in contrast to chronic active hepatitis cah there is no periportal inflammation bridging necrosis or fibrosis cph has indeed an excellent prognosis if i had to choose between cah and cph there is no question i would also choose cph however as david pointed out the distinction between the two is not as neat as some of us would have it the histology can sometimes be pretty equivocal with biopsies showing areas compatible with both cph and cah maybe it is a sampling problem maybe it is a continuum i dont know darn just when i think i understand something someone who knows the pathology has to burst my bubble wed better not start talking about glomerular diseases then ill really get depressed seriously though i wonder how someone with cph would end up getting a biopsy in the first place my understanding and feel free to correct me is that the enzymes are at worst mildly elevated with overall normal hepatic function i would think that the only clue might be a history of prior hepb infection and a positive hepb sag or is it indeed on a continuum with cah and the distinction merely one of pathology and prognosis but otherwise identical clinical features kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer cars re improvements in automatic transmissions hagenjd wfu edu jeff hagen writes the biggest hurdle for automatics imho is not shifting speed per se but rather the transmissions reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually i rented an oldsmobile achieva is that a yuppie name or what and a nissan stanza they both had automatics im a manual transmission bigot but i have to admit that the transmissions on these cars were better shifters than i am and yes they responded very quickly to kickdown requests the nissan had a tachometer so i was able to figure out which gear i was in the olds may have also but i dont remember i believe it shifted all the way down to second at about 50 mph when my foot told it no i really want to accelerate quickly i would still prefer a manual but i wont delude myself into thinking that i can out accelerate a modern automatic and im very smooth at shifting but certainly not as good as an automatic tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy medicine re pregnency without sex in article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur ohboy here we go again and one wonders why the american education system is in such abysmal shape baseball re babes pitching babe ruths lifetime pitching stats selected 94 46 671 2 28 era 163 g 107 cg 17 sho 10 6 rat best year 1916 bos 23 12 1 75 era led league or 1917 bos 24 13 2 01 era steve thornton stevet eskimo com religion re catholic lit crit of a s s in 1993apr14 101241 476 mtechca maintech com foster mtechca maintech com writes i am surprised and saddened i would expect this kind of behavior from the evangelical born again gospel thumping in your face were the only true christian protestants but i have always thought that catholics behaved better than this please do not stoop to the level of the e b a g t i y f w t o t c protestants who think that the best way to witness is to be strident intrusive loud insulting and overbearingly self righteous pleading mode on please im begging you quit confusing religious groups and stop making generalizations im a protestant im an evangelical i dont believe that my way is the only way im not a creation scientist i dont think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails if you want to discuss bible thumpers you would be better off singling out and making obtuse generalizations about fundamentalists if you compared the actions of presbyterians or methodists with those of southern baptists you would think that they were different religions please prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the same so please dont write off all protestants or all evangelicals pleading mode off god i wish i could get ahold of all the thomas stories fbzr enval jvagre fhaqnlf jura gurerf n yvggyr oberqbz lbh fubhyq nyjnlf pneel n tha abg gb fubbg lbhefrys ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbher nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr yvan jregzhyyre jemaleddin sasha david cole iv chief of knobbery research dlphknob camelot bradley edu religion lds thief goes to paradise kermit goes off tangent kermit tensmeyer quoted from a few sources and then wrote something i will attempt to construct a facsimile of what was previously said and then address kermits offering john redelfs originally wrote jr i learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his jr death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse it jr requires faith in christ proven by following him by keeping his jr commandments such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed tom albrecht responded ta so jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross john redelfs wrote back that jr paradise and salvation are not the same thing salvation is better jr refer to john 14 2 i responded to john that rw i dont see the effort to equate salvation with paradise rw rw rather i see implied the fact that only those who are saved rw may enter paradise to which kermit wrote kt incomplete reference kt kt see also the discussion did jesus go into hell in the biblestudy group kt for the arguments that paradise and hell sheol are places after death kt the discussion no lds were involved as far as i could see argued using kt standard christian argument from the bible that pretty much support the kt lds position kt kt christ went to paridise after his death and burial kt kt he taught the prisoners and freed them from darkness kt kt when he was resurrected he had not yet ascended to his father kt kt the arguement centered around what was or wasnt the proper biblical kt terms for those places i respond the question that was raised was not if jesus went to infernal paradise before entering into heaven no one has made a point for or against that issue nor have they compared the lds position against orthodox belief the infernal paradise is held to be abrahams bosom luke 16 the place of the righteous dead in sheol equivalent to hades the point that was raised by john was that someone could not repent on their death bed tom albrecht pointed to a biblical example that was contradictory to what johns position put forward the thief on the cross was promised by christ to be with him in paradise the abode of the righteous dead johns position possibly needs to be reworked kermit needs to address the topic at hand robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu baseball braves offensive offense deion sanders hit a home run in his only ab today nixon was 1 for 4 infield single deions batting over 400 nixon around 200 whom would you start wise up bobby see yall at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu guns re letter to the president kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes the dismissal or resignation of lloyd bensen secretary of the treasury in case you havent sent it yet its bentsen not bensen brad baseball re infield fly rule you cant call time when theres a play in progress ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu baseball re game length was re braves update nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves i suspect that a lot of the complaining about long games especially when its coming from tv people has to something to do with advertising probably time wasted in the middle of an inning say by a batter stepping out of the box to fiddle with his gloves or by a pitcher walking around behind the mound trying to collect his thoughts could otherwise be sold as advertising time heather hhenderson vax clarku edu religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 on 15 apr 1993 22 34 40 gmt eric sieferman observed christian washed in the blood of the lamb mithraist washed in the blood of the bull if anyone in netland is in the process of devising a new religion do not use the lamb or the bull because they have already been reserved please choose another animal preferably one not on the endangered species list how about washed in the blood of barney the dinosaur michael d adams starowl a2i rahul net baseball new uniforms usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season but the past few seasons have been incredible any thoughts on the new old reds uniforms i remember seeing a pete rose rookie card and unless i miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds the mets how about docs performance today have reinserted the mets patch on the shoulder and changed the mets insgnia on the front of the jersey to my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962 and it reminds me a little of the dodger logo many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform or at least uniforms that look more traditional phillies reds expos white sox padres etc and the once bright colors have been altered to gray the trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years as opposed to the cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties with salaries now reaching unbelievable highs no one in the comissioners office and inter league play on the horizon its nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be baseball the bob dylan baseball abstract just a little something i found while reading the village voice which is not noted for its sports coverage but occasionally the print some interesting features this year the predictions team analyses for the 1993 season were presented in the form of bob dylan lyrics i dont have the article in front of me so ill only give the memorable ones here that i remember and know the melody to i could dig up more if there is interest yankess to the tune of subterranean homesick blues howe is in the basement mixing up the medicine george is on the pavement thinking bout the government wade boggs in a trench coat bat out paid off says hes got a bad back wants to get it laid off look out kids its somethin you did dont know when but its columbus again mets to the tune of like a rolling stone once upon a time you played so fine you threw away dykstra before his prime didnt you people said beware cone hes bound to roam but you thought they were just kidding you you used to laugh about the strawberry that was headin out but now you dont talk so loud now you dont seem so proud about having to shop vince coleman for your next deal phillies to the tune of highway 61 well daulton and dykstra should have some fun just keep them off of highway 61 giants to the tune of the ballad of rubin hurricane carter this is the story of the magowan the man st petersburg came to pan for something that he never done hes sit in the owners box but one day he could have the tampian of the world medicine placebo effects i know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or even gets better because of his her belief in the medicine and the doctor administering it is there also an anti placebo effect where the patient dislikes distrusts doctors and medicine and therefore doesnt get better or feel better in spite of the medicine is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is if so what is this effect called is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesnt believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is what would this effect be called have these effects ever been studied how common are these effects thank you in advance for all replies information is very valuable but dis information is much more common baseball re you could look it up in article 1993apr21 173432 28160 alchemy chem utoronto ca mark b writes yes i could look it up but i prefer to post this question to the net i read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of dummy urban myth true i gots ta know dummy hoy a late 19th century baseball player was deaf in order for him to be able to find out whether the pitch was a ball or strike the umpires developed hand signals this also helped to relieve the stress on umpires vocal cords so they didnt have to shout strike or ball 350 times a game heard about this one from the only worthwhile baseball book john thorn has ever authored a century of baseball lore mark b mbrownel alchemy chem utoronto ca jason a miller some doctor guy frank tanana 1 win windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 have you tried re installing the software otherwise i would be dubious about simple ways to change that screen is it not designed to be an embarassment to would be pirates charles charles emmons charles trintex uucp these opinions are prodigy services co charles trintex uunet uu net mine alone unless white plains ny 10601 voice 914 993 8856 you would like to prodigy id kjrd82a fax 914 993 8659 share them baseball phils winning the hard way the phillies have won two games back to back in extra innings last nights game was hard fought the game in chicago should have been a blow out all in all these two games show a different phillies team in past seasons they tended to always be on the short end of 1 run games i dont know how many times i saw them losing by only 1 run if they were able to win most of those they might have been more of a contending team they are 3 0 so far in extra innings and of course they are 10 3 guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5y36b 8mg news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes for me though the black soot billowing outside the compound added with how fast the fire spread ponted to someone dousing large parts of the compound with some sort of gasoline or fire starter just from experience seeing a couple of houses burn down one doesnt need any accelerant to get a lot of black soot theres plenty of stuff in a house that will burn dirty even the asphalt shingles would make a really sooty smoke al standard disclaimer baseball nl opi through first week here is the opi offensive production index for all nl players with at least 10 at bats it is early in the season so there are some high numbers barry bonds finished last season at 0 795 i welcome comments and suggestions kevin league opi 0 410 league ba 0 252 league slg 0 375 league oba 0 321 rank player opi ba slg oba 1 phi daulton 1 101 0 333 0 875 0 515 2 phi kruk 1 069 0 429 0 821 0 529 3 cub grace 1 007 0 452 0 742 0 514 4 cub may 0 931 0 389 0 889